SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #9

[Elley Mae]

I would guess that the June 4th mediation didn't go very well for AM.

That mediation was for the R beach lawsuit, suppose to meet again june 10 civil suit.

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The civil lawsuit that was set for June 10 has not been rescheduled.


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[Lux et Veritas]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I wasn't saying that his car would be in Edisto after the murders. I was saying that under your scenario he could have been seen on surveillance cameras in Edisto before the murders (kidnapping per your scenario), but the surveillance tape placing him there at that time would only be seen/checked later -- during the post-murder investigation. The point being why is he in Edisto when he's supposedly in the hospital, napping, visiting his mother??? Anyway, I understand your theory. JMO.

Ah, excellent point, Clearskies1, about the Edisto surveillance cameras! That would definitely kinda mess up his ironclad alibi!

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Well there you go. Meeting with a divorce lawyer, hiring a forensic accountant and living separately at the beach house in Edisto a little more than an hour away from Moselle.

What the heck was she doing down by the kennels at 9-9:30 at night?

I keep coming back to what I heard AM say that night, IMO.
"For God's sake Paul. Why'd you have to get involved"

I have said it all along. He called and told her he was busy and asked her to go feed/water/put the dogs in for the night. He was waiting there for her to try to talk to her. But PM rode with her to help with the dogs or get something from the house. AM tried to talk MM out of the divorce but especially the audit which would expose his embezzlement and fraud. They argued. He went into a drunken "Timmy" rage like friends said PM changed into when he was drunk. He picked up a shotgun to kill her. Paul jumped between them and maybe tried to shove the barrel of the shotgun up to keep AM from killing his mother (IMO the only noble thing PM ever did). The gun went off and shot PM, then shot him again a second time with a recoil shot. Maggie took off running and AM grabbed an AR with an infrared scope so he could hunt her down and shot her at least once in the back.

Evidence?

His father was dying so he used being with his mom as an excuse for her to come tend to the dogs at Moselle.

Divorce and audit.

Alcohol and admitted opiate addiction.

911 call "For God's sake, why'd you have to get involved Paul?"

PM shot in the shoulder, arm, head and chest.

MM shot at least once and maybe more times in the back.

Not the least bit concerned about the shooters still being at the scene, hiding in the dark.

LE saying there was no threat to the public.

Trying to stage his "suicide" to try to throw suspicion off him onto some stranger in a pickup truck.

Trying to frame CES for what he himself did.

Folks it is as simple as that. No mystery to it for me.

JMO

 

[raja]

I have said it all along. He called and told her he was busy and asked her to go feed/water/put the dogs in for the night. He was waiting there for her to try to talk to her. But PM rode with her to help with the dogs or get something from the house. AM tried to talk MM out of the divorce but especially the audit which would expose his embezzlement and fraud. They argued. He went into a drunken "Timmy" rage like friends said PM changed into when he was drunk. He picked up a shotgun to kill her. Paul jumped between them and maybe tried to shove the barrel of the shotgun up to keep AM from killing his mother (IMO the only noble thing PM ever did). The gun went off and shot PM, then shot him again a second time with a recoil shot. Maggie took off running and AM grabbed an AR with an infrared scope so he could hunt her down and shot her at least once in the back.

Evidence?

His father was dying so he used being with his mom as an excuse for her to come tend to the dogs at Moselle.

Divorce and audit.

Alcohol and admitted opiate addiction.

911 call "For God's sake, why'd you have to get involved Paul?"

PM shot in the shoulder, arm, head and chest.

MM shot at least once and maybe more times in the back.

Not the least bit concerned about the shooters still being at the scene, hiding in the dark.

LE saying there was no threat to the public.

Trying to stage his "suicide" to try to throw suspicion off him onto some stranger in a pickup truck.

Trying to frame CES for what he himself did.

Folks it is as simple as that. No mystery to it for me.

JMO

I think this is the most reasonable and simplest explanation on what happened that night. You stated it very well.

 

[Elley Mae]

I have said it all along. He called and told her he was busy and asked her to go feed/water/put the dogs in for the night. He was waiting there for her to try to talk to her. But PM rode with her to help with the dogs or get something from the house. AM tried to talk MM out of the divorce but especially the audit which would expose his embezzlement and fraud. They argued. He went into a drunken "Timmy" rage like friends said PM changed into when he was drunk. He picked up a shotgun to kill her. Paul jumped between them and maybe tried to shove the barrel of the shotgun up to keep AM from killing his mother (IMO the only noble thing PM ever did). The gun went off and shot PM, then shot him again a second time with a recoil shot. Maggie took off running and AM grabbed an AR with an infrared scope so he could hunt her down and shot her at least once in the back.

Evidence?

His father was dying so he used being with his mom as an excuse for her to come tend to the dogs at Moselle.

Divorce and audit.

Alcohol and admitted opiate addiction.

911 call "For God's sake, why'd you have to get involved Paul?"

PM shot in the shoulder, arm, head and chest.

MM shot at least once and maybe more times in the back.

Not the least bit concerned about the shooters still being at the scene, hiding in the dark.

LE saying there was no threat to the public.

Trying to stage his "suicide" to try to throw suspicion off him onto some stranger in a pickup truck.

Trying to frame CES for what he himself did.

Folks it is as simple as that. No mystery to it for me.

JMO

PM
I view the arm/head as one shot, he put his arm up in a defensive posture.

Jmo
He saw the shot coming.

 

[Pink2017]

I have said it all along. He called and told her he was busy and asked her to go feed/water/put the dogs in for the night. He was waiting there for her to try to talk to her. But PM rode with her to help with the dogs or get something from the house. AM tried to talk MM out of the divorce but especially the audit which would expose his embezzlement and fraud. They argued. He went into a drunken "Timmy" rage like friends said PM changed into when he was drunk. He picked up a shotgun to kill her. Paul jumped between them and maybe tried to shove the barrel of the shotgun up to keep AM from killing his mother (IMO the only noble thing PM ever did). The gun went off and shot PM, then shot him again a second time with a recoil shot. Maggie took off running and AM grabbed an AR with an infrared scope so he could hunt her down and shot her at least once in the back.

Evidence?

His father was dying so he used being with his mom as an excuse for her to come tend to the dogs at Moselle.

Divorce and audit.

Alcohol and admitted opiate addiction.

911 call "For God's sake, why'd you have to get involved Paul?"

PM shot in the shoulder, arm, head and chest.

MM shot at least once and maybe more times in the back.

Not the least bit concerned about the shooters still being at the scene, hiding in the dark.

LE saying there was no threat to the public.

Trying to stage his "suicide" to try to throw suspicion off him onto some stranger in a pickup truck.

Trying to frame CES for what he himself did.

Folks it is as simple as that. No mystery to it for me.

JMO

About the 911 call, what is the timestamp for the "For God's Sake, why'd you get involved Paul?" I've listened and I hear something else..."pulse" related. TIA

 

[Lux et Veritas]

@BrookeButlerTV

In response to@people’s
claim that Maggie #Murdaugh had seen a divorce lawyer six weeks before she and Paul were murdered, a spokesperson for Alex Murdaugh gave the following statement to WJCL:

"The most recent allegations by People Magazine regarding the state of Maggie and Alex Murdaugh’s marriage are totally inconsistent with what we have been told by friends and family members. Also, we have reviewed many years of text messages on Alex’s phone, and the conversations between Alex and Maggie portray a very loving relationship.
It is our hope that the media will continue to focus on covering the investigation of the person or people responsible for the murder of Maggie and Paul and not reporting salacious stories with no credible sources connected to the Murdaugh family”

1) Who is "we" and why did "we" review Alex and Maggie's text messages?! Did AM give up his phone to his PR person?! Bizarre.

2) "A very loving relationship". May have been at one time. So loving - is that why MM's cell phone ended up somewhere along Moselle Rd the night she was shot to death?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Is the only evidence about MM living at Edisto based on her FB update?
;30 PM
If so, that doesn't really mean anything, imo. They were wealthy, had multiple homes within an hour or two of each other, MM wasn't raising young kids anymore, and so on. I think many people who have the freedom to move (not tied down by work or school schedules) between their homes do so as whim, weather, or events dictate. Maybe there were certain months she like to be at the beach for the weather, or local cultural events, or meeting friends there, or whatever. I don't necessarily see it as indicative of her permanently moving there. And, I think sometimes people don't always update their FB locations in a timely manner either.

So, I guess I don't find it strange that she was at Moselle. It was also her home. (I don't think she was lured there or taken there against her will.)

Also, as I posted a couple of weeks ago, if the estimated time of death was 9 or 9:30pm, it would have been barely dark by then. So not as dark and sinister (in re: to the actual amount of light/day/evening/night) as some seem to think.

Just random thoughts and MOO, of course.

Also, as I posted a couple of weeks ago, if the estimated time of death was 9 or 9:30pm, it would have been barely dark by then.

BBM

Some years ago hubby and I ventured to Nags Head NC from a vacation in Virginia Beach. Along the way posted every so often were signs that said "State Law, Turn On Headlights During Daylight Hours." As dark as it was in NC in the daytime, and assuming SC (never been there) has the same huge trees (in fact there are pictures of those tall closely grown trees in the Moselle pictures, the "road side" pictures and the SS pictures), I am going to say, having never been to SC, that out there on that 1700 acre farm, that at 9:00-9:30 PM it would have been pretty dadgum dark. Now someone on here that lives in the area can probably tell us what a heavily forested, way out in the boondocks, with no close neighbors, at least a quarter mile off the highway at 9:00-9:30 PM at night would look like. My guess is, very very dark. Dark enough that you need an AR-15 with an infrared scope to hunt something down.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

About the 911 call, what is the timestamp for the "For God's Sake, why'd you get involved Paul?" I've listened and I hear something else..."pulse" related. TIA

5:32 I believe.

 

[vls12345]

Also, as I posted a couple of weeks ago, if the estimated time of death was 9 or 9:30pm, it would have been barely dark by then.

BBM

Some years ago hubby and I ventured to Nags Head NC from a vacation in Virginia Beach. Along the way posted every so often were signs that said "State Law, Turn On Headlights During Daylight Hours." As dark as it was in NC in the daytime, and assuming SC (never been there) has the same huge trees (in fact there are pictures of those tall closely grown trees in the Moselle pictures, the "road side" pictures and the SS pictures), I am going to say, having never been to SC, that out there on that 1700 acre farm, that at 9:00-9:30 PM it would have been pretty dadgum dark. Now someone on here that lives in the area can probably tell us what a heavily forested, way out in the boondocks, with no close neighbors, at least a quarter mile off the highway at 9:00-9:30 PM at night would look like. My guess is, very very dark. Dark enough that you need an AR-15 with an infrared scope to hunt something down.

JMO

I am familiar with the area. And it's definitely dark under the trees. But, aerial photos show that the area of the house and barns were pretty clear of trees. The kennels seem to be in the treeline (so hard to see if someone was there, imo). I have also seen no mention of lighting in and around the house/buildings/property.

 

[Luna20]

This is a very strangely worded statement. Why would this “spokesperson” for AM not just say “The allegations put forth are false. AM would like to say his marriage was a good and loving one blah blah blah...”. Instead it sounds like notes from a third party.
Sounds about as credible as those statements about AM’s serious gunshot wound to the head, complete with entry and exit wounds and skull fracture.

It is very ‘strangely’ worded…strategically so. Everything they put out is weird and mostly not truthful.

How do they not see that many are not buying it? It’s not only lies, they are literally dumb lies. Maybe because they haven’t had to do much explaining in the past for their crimes this is the best they can come up with. Text messages are the definition of a ‘loving relationship’??

The spin on “finding the real murderer” is a very obvious narrative.

 

[Lux et Veritas]

Also, as I posted a couple of weeks ago, if the estimated time of death was 9 or 9:30pm, it would have been barely dark by then.

BBM

Some years ago hubby and I ventured to Nags Head NC from a vacation in Virginia Beach. Along the way posted every so often were signs that said "State Law, Turn On Headlights During Daylight Hours." As dark as it was in NC in the daytime, and assuming SC (never been there) has the same huge trees (in fact there are pictures of those tall closely grown trees in the Moselle pictures, the "road side" pictures and the SS pictures), I am going to say, having never been to SC, that out there on that 1700 acre farm, that at 9:00-9:30 PM it would have been pretty dadgum dark. Now someone on here that lives in the area can probably tell us what a heavily forested, way out in the boondocks, with no close neighbors, at least a quarter mile off the highway at 9:00-9:30 PM at night would look like. My guess is, very very dark. Dark enough that you need an AR-15 with an infrared scope to hunt something down.

JMO

Agreed. I've lived in the deep South and walked under/through massive trees that blocked out all sunlight during the day.

Even if it wasn't dark, no one could have seen the murders take place through those massive, thick stands of trees. Moselle that night - a dark, deserted, sprawling property surrounded by forests on all sides. That's why the kennels were the perfect place to kill them; also far away from any surveillance cameras at the main house. AM knew exactly what he was doing. I do not for a minute believe MM and PM were out there at 9pm at night taking care of dogs. AM somehow lured / forced them there.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Murdaugh Murder Mystery: 'Behind the Black Ties and Fancy Dresses Were Miserable People'

"Behind the black ties and fancy dresses were miserable people," one local who runs in the Murdaughs' social circles says in this week's issue of PEOPLE.

<snip>

Another source says that Maggie used to visit her husband at the firm "all the time," but had stopped coming in the months before she was killed.

At the firm's Christmas party in December 2020, "she and Alex didn't talk at all," the source says.

<snip>

Maggie barely spoke to her husband when they attended a University of South Carolina baseball game on June 5, two nights before she was killed, a witness tells PEOPLE.

During the game, Maggie "seemed aggravated" the source says, while Alex and her oldest son, Buster, "were having a good old time," the witness says.

"She was mad," the witness says.

While Alex and Buster went to the bar at least four times to get drinks, Maggie sat quietly next to a young blonde woman, the witness says.

Alex brought back peanuts for Maggie "and just tossed them to her," without saying anything, the source says. "It was weird. Something was off."

Maggie sat quietly next to a young blonde woman,

BBM

Just a random thought, just my own opinion.

The young blonde girl may have been BM's girlfriend.

That leaves wide open the question of which "Murdaugh" SS was "involved" with. Someone older with more to lose if SS went public with a relationship perhaps?

JMO

 

[Luna20]

Senator Dick Harpootlian previously released a statement blaming this all on an opioid addiction, but he said in an interview with Live 5 Wednesday that Murdaugh has made progress.

We’ve spoken to him and he’s doing much better,” he said. “He’s not out of the woods. This is a decade or more long addiction issue, but he’s doing much better. Opioid addiction is just horrible. It’s killed so many lives and another life ruined—Murdaugh’s.”

Lawyer for Alex Murdaugh talks charges, client’s condition

BS. He originally said “20 years or more”.

“Opioid addiction is just horrible”. Every addiction is horrible, why would his be any different?? He wants AM’s addiction to be so horrible that it made him do horrible things.

 

[Pink2017]

5:32 I believe.

Thank you so much.

 

[Celery]

5:32 I believe.

Time stamps without a linked file can add to the confusion since people are listening to the 911 call from various sources, eg YouTube videos, podcasts on various podcast platforms, etc.

In lieu of linking the audio file I listen to, I’ll describe what I hear and when I hear it. (I posted about this yesterday or day before, but I’m on my phone and it’s easier for me to just type it again than try to figure out how to bring that post forward.)

What I Hear:
What I hear AM say is, “I tried to check for a pulse, but I can’t get a pulse.” As I said in my previous post, in Southern dialects “for a” is often combined into something that sounds like “fuuh” or “fu-uh.”

When I Hear It:
I hear AM say it as the dispatcher simultaneously says, “Ok, and is anyone else supposed to be at your house?”

 

[Pink2017]

Time stamps without a linked file can add to the confusion since people are listening to the 911 call from various sources, eg YouTube videos, podcasts on various podcast platforms, etc.

In lieu of linking the audio file I listen to, I’ll describe what I hear and when I hear it. (I posted about this yesterday or day before, but I’m on my phone and it’s easier for me to just type it again than try to figure out how to bring that post forward.)

What I Hear:
What I hear AM say is, “I tried to check for a pulse, but I can’t get a pulse.” As I said in my previous post, in Southern dialects “for a” is often combined into something that sounds like “fuuh” or “fu-uh.”

When I Hear It:
I hear AM say it as the dispatcher simultaneously says, “Ok, and is anyone else supposed to be at your house?”

Thanks again for covering this topic again. Being a southerner, when I first heard the 911 call, it was definitely along the lines of what you're stating..."pulse". I'm going to leave it there. Thanks.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I am familiar with the area. And it's definitely dark under the trees. But, aerial photos show that the area of the house and barns were pretty clear of trees. The kennels seem to be in the treeline (so hard to see if someone was there, imo). I have also seen no mention of lighting in and around the house/buildings/property.

I also have seen the cleared areas in aerial photos. But what we need to be asking ourselves is this. If PM got between them to try to shove the barrel of a shotgun away from his mother, and MM saw her son killed, is she going to take off running in a cleared or lighted area where she can be easily seen and shot? Or is she going to head for the darker trees area where it would be harder for someone with a gun trying to kill her to see her. Me? I would head for the trees so I would have a better chance of hiding and getting away. But then, that's just me.

JMO

 

[MoeInVA]

Also, as I posted a couple of weeks ago, if the estimated time of death was 9 or 9:30pm, it would have been barely dark by then.

I 100 percent agree it would have barely been dark (as many of us discussed months back in the threads) and this is important.

I had originally researched to find similar cases and the most similar one I found where a family member was NOT the perpetrator, it was a couple of meth heads who robbed a father and daughter in a rural area and shot them with the victim’s gun. Given the meth problem in the area, I was heavily weighing this option, but the fact that it wasn’t REALLY dark yet made a big difference in my thinking. Of course fast forward three months and we have uncovered a lot of additional info. But I just wanted to emphasize, that this was very early for any crime that desired to be under cover of darkness. It reads more like a very sloppy and extended cocktail hour gone wrong. As much as I like my old meth robbery theory. JMO.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Thanks again for covering this topic again. Being a southerner, when I first heard the 911 call, it was definitely along the lines of what you're stating..."pulse". I'm going to leave it there. Thanks.

Sorry for any confusion I may have caused. I am from Oklahoma and us Okie's have an accent all our own. It's real down home country. That's why (I am bragging here) so many country singers are from Oklahoma. Vince Gill, Toby Keith, Reba McIntire, Carrie Underwood, Garth Brooks, Ronnie Dunn ....... and on and on and on. It's very hard for us to understand people from the deep south or far north or Californians. lol The south talks too slow for us and the north talks too fast and those Cali folks just talk too funny for us.

No offense meant to anyone.

JMO