SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #9

[geevee]

What does the degree of darkness at 9pm have to do with who pulled the triggers?

Maybe I got lost somewhere.

The darkness/rain has to do with why Maggie and Paul would be out at the kennels after dark, in the rain. Esp. when Maggie was living at Edisto and Paul was staying with his uncle.

 

[geevee]

Oh, about the possibility of divorce, I believe in SC you must live apart one year before filing for divorce, so it makes sense that she'd see an attorney in late April, to give her and her attorney time to get all her ducks in a row before her year at Edisto would be up in July and she could formally file.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

There are so many things that do not add up about this case, it absolutely drives me crazy!

• Is there any evidence that points to AM being an opiate addict and alcoholic for 10+ years? No car accidents, no whispers in the law community about being impaired in court, no rumors or innuendo from friends and frenemies, no OD's or other illness that could be attributed to a long-term addiction. He looks pretty healthy. Maybe this is proof that gingers really have no soul.
• CES is AM's opiate dealer, an opiate dealer that has never been busted, not on LE radar as a drug supplier, nor seems to have supplied anyone else drugs besides AM.
• Where did all the money go? AM's lawyers seem to be pushing the narrative that he stole from the law firm to fund his so-called drug addiction. Which brings me to...
  
• Is CES rich? Are there any irregular bank deposits or signs of money laundering? You'd think 10+ years of supplying opiates to AM would afford him a more comfortable lifestyle than what he was living.
• AM decided to fake his death because he thought his life insurance policy had a suicide clause? No way, he's a lawyer and can interpret the fine print.

I feel like AM's attorneys are treating the public like they are stupid in order to garner sympathy for their client and taint the jury pool.

I 100% believe AM killed his son and wife, probably with the help of CES. That the fake "hit man" debacle was a desperate attempt to persuade LE that he was not responsible for those deaths when it became apparent that they were focusing on him. And when LE didn't buy that narrative, he concocted this supposed opiate addiction as a means to enter "treatment", get some breathing room, and keep himself out of jail. Pitiful.

My exact sentiments on the opiate addictions... no signs, no collaboration. People know these things. Rich folks just go around freely, but people KNOW.
Just a rich guy "time out so no one can bug me" thing, that's all.

I remain flummoxed at the whole drive by shooting........ just some way to setup CES??
CES can spill some beans if he wants to.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Just guessing, but Alex's fortune relied on windfalls of income from various settlements from lawsuits. Instead of setting money aside or trying to live within average means, he spent money like crazy when he had it. He then needed to finagle more shady deals via lawsuits/insurance settlements to keep up with the cost of maintaining that lifestyle.

The houses, the properties, condos and expensive toys for the sons, the dogs, the boats, the various vehicles, employees to run things, etc. were requiring large, regular cash infusions . Add in the drug habit and it becomes impossible to keep funding. To make the situation worse, Paul's problems became a major drain on already scarce assets.

Instead of saying "Heck the kids are grown and in college, let's start unloading some of this stuff" AM tried to keep it going. I've seen families in my area go through this cycle, of course on a smaller scale. The big McMansion house, brand new cars and designer clothes for the high school kids, boats, RV's, expensive vacations, jet skis, luxury cars, etc. Then a few years later, the possessions are gone and parents are living in a nice condo. Downsizing, why couldn't AM do it?

If I remember correctly, I think it’s also come up several times that AM hadn’t actually had a case for the last few years. No cases no $$. He was a “volunteer” in Solicitor’s office. IDK. MOO.

 

[sunshineray]

From Cody Alcorn FB

This is breaking following my interview this week with Eric Bland who is the attorney for the sons of Gloria Satterfield, the former housekeeper of Alex and Maggie Murdaugh.
“The law firm of Bland Richter, LLP is pleased to announce on behalf of the Estate of Gloria Satterfield (“Estate”) that on Friday October 1, 2021 a settlement was reached with attorney Cory Fleming, his law firm Moss, Kuhn and Fleming and their insurance carrier in connection with the pending lawsuit. Mr. Fleming and his firm agreed that the Estate will be paid back all legal fees and expenses Mr. Fleming and his law firm received from the $4,300,000 they recovered for the Estate in connection with the claims asserted against Alex Murdaugh for the death of Gloria Satterfied. In addition, their malpractice insurance carrier agreed to pay to the Estate their full policy limits of insurance. Mr. Fleming stepped forward and did the right thing by the Estate. Mr. Fleming and his law firm maintain, they—like others—were victims of Alex Murdaugh’s fraudulent scheme. A more comprehensive joint statement from Mr. Fleming, his firm, and the Satterfield Estate will be issued later this week. Mr. Fleming and his law firm were represented by Thomas Pendarvis from the Pendarvis Law Offices, P.C. in Beaufort, South Carolina and David Overstreet of Earhart Overstreet in Charleston, South Carolina. The estate will continue pursuing other culpable parties who resist acceptance of responsibility for their part in this tragic matter.”

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I'm glad GS's sons will receive some money before a long drawn out legal battle ate it all up. As far as CF not knowing what AM was doing within the whole situation...nope, don't believe for one second. AJMO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I have never followed a murder that was so secretive.
BBM
I have. The Rhoden murders. LE wouldn't even let a whisper out. Gov. DeWine took it all the way to the state supreme court to stop all 8 victims autopsies from being released to the public after news media sued the state of Ohio to get them. DeWine won and those autopsies have not been released yet, 5 + years later.

JMO

i know its off topic..but never heard of that case.. Can you provide a brief "jist" before it (probably) is taken down!!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

So sick but this might have been a hate crime against gays. Couple of drunk teens see this young man alone and out of gas. If that’s the case they probably thought they were so funny until they woke up sober, or maybe not. I can hardly stand to think about it — the fear of his last moments.


I think Ella Mae and others besides you who have weighed in on my thought, have logical points about his shoes. I was thinking of other reasons his shoes were “loosely tied,”but if he had any time walking with out shoes, the soles of his feet would no doubt give the ME clues.

Not too much has come out about this either, but this murder could likely have a torture aspect, and that’s where I was coming from. Not sure what to think except this young man who had ambition and potential seems to have had his life snuffed out in just the worst way.

Only my mind wandering. Only MHO.

Sadly, my thought as well, when I heard about the shoes....
possible torment.

 

[Elley Mae]

@Sleuth307

One more question if you don’t mind.

Is it normal for a lawyer/law firm to have malpractice insurance?

Never knew.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Interesting. Because the South is strongly GOP now, right?
So, does this mean that the Murdaugh's are supportive of gays? Would a potential gay relationship with a Murdaugh cause a problem?

I strongly doubt that. Most of the "Old Democrats" in the South turned Repub after the Civil Rights Legislation of the mid 60s...
Most of the Old established wealthy families in my area of the world are those very converted Repubs...

moo. moo. But I see a mix with the Legal Industry...and the type of law they represent...
This is strictly my opinion... but I have thought about it with some of the very large old legal families in my geography--when I see a couple of them being Democratic strong-holds...
And North Florida is VERY Repub.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Very glad these young men are getting proper representation and results now. Three cheers for Bland!

I do have a hard time believing that CF didn’t have any suspicions about cases with AM. I am very happy for GS’s sons but hope everyone is still held accountable. There was/is some serious malfeasance and malpractice going on. OMHO.

This still smells of coverup. Money tends to wash away lots of wounds.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Just an anecdote you may find humorous: Last night, many members of our extended family got together via Skype. I hadn’t read these threads then so that’s not what made me think of it but I sat there seeing the great-grandparents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, kids (now 25 to 62), grandchildren, great grandchildren, spouses, and significant others. My father was one of 11 kids from a very conservative, Deep South family growing up in a time where it was a huge scandal if anyone had “an early baby” aka a baby weighing nine pounds at birth and arriving six months after the wedding. Two of the brothers are ministers and they all go to church weekly and always have. Etc. It’s a rural area still and church is a lifestyle. Yet, one of the 11 kids married his longtime boyfriend a few years ago and everyone celebrated. Who knows what they thought but they acted decently. One of my cousins attended the meeting with his significant other, a man, and it was clearly no issue with anyone there. It just was normal. Far bigger issues revolved around football teams. It would not have been this way even 25 years ago, I’m sure. I don’t know how those 11 kids, now in their 70s and 80s, came to this place. They remain very conservative and they’re there every time the church doors open but someone being gay clearly is no longer the problem it was with them. I don’t live in the South now so the differences from years past to now are striking—and I feel hope for humanity even when people like AM treat others so horribly. At the same time, there’s a reason no one brought up politics. MOO.

I am envious sometimes, of "large family" dynamics... just something i have never experienced!!! And you have apparently LEFT the South, so your experiences are uniquely your own.

I am still a "newbie" living in the South... but one thing that I have become aware of ... is that on the surface folks can seem so very charming and play well with others... but behind the scenes can be a very different reaction and sentiment. Some of my very dear longtime Southern friends have pointed out ways you can see this!!! moo moo

And this is why all the staged PR statements are so hard to accept. There are reasons for their choice of words, but are not expected to be fact or truth.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I thought AM lawyer stated there was no life insurance on MM or PM?

I swear i heard the lawyer declare that as well.... so am now very confused....

 

[sunshineray]

So where/who had all Alex's money gone to? Not only from his occupation as a big-wig lawyer in town, but he was embezzling from his law firm, and stealing from at least one victim's family, too! Why was he so broke? I will never buy that it was all spent on opioids. Nope. I'd also bet that reason got Maggie and Paul killed.

Imo.

Gambling?

 

[sunshineray]

My exact sentiments on the opiate addictions... no signs, no collaboration. People know these things. Rich folks just go around freely, but people KNOW.
Just a rich guy "time out so no one can bug me" thing, that's all.

I remain flummoxed at the whole drive by shooting........ just some way to setup CES??
CES can spill some beans if he wants to.

Maybe that struggle for the gun CES says he had with AM was self-preservation? AM must have already fired the gun before CES got there, ie the multiple casings found at scene. CES said when the gun went off he took it and ran like hell out of Dodge.

A dead CES at the scene could have potentially have been blamed for all manner of crime. AJMO

 

[Lux et Veritas]

Alex and Maggie Murdaugh's marriage was in crisis, family insider reveals | Daily Mail Online

... inside source ... has told of the scenes that they witnessed. ...

... source, who has known the family for more than three years ...

... According to the source her [MM] routine was familiar to the household, 'She would go down there [kennels] at least once a week, usually late afternoon or as the sun was setting. It was her thing.' ...

... The source claimed that in those intervening months they heard Buster and his father argue more than once. They recalled, 'In one [argument] Buster was telling his father to get it together. He said, 'You're the only parent I have left.' ...

... Just one week before this bizarre [AM shooting] incident, according to the source, 'Buster and Alex were talking about the fact that the life insurance wasn't paying out on Maggie or Paul. My understanding was that there was a $6million policy on her and $4million on him.' ... The source maintained, 'Alex was talking to Buster about it and told him that soon he 'wouldn't have to worry about any of that.' ...

... The source told DailyMail.com, 'They'd had secrets they kept a long time. Maggie was well aware of Alex's prescription pill problem and had been for years. 'I saw her digging a bottle of pills that didn't have Alex's name on it out of the trash more than once. On one occasion she told me she was going to confront the person whose name was on it, but I don't know if she ever did.' ...

WHO was this 'source' who had only known the Murdaughs three+ years but had a "ringside seat" into their private lives? Clearly not a family member. My guess - a new housekeeper, hired after GS died. The hired help would certainly be privy to all sorts of family dirt and ugliness behind closed doors.

If MM didn't go down to the kennels every single day, the family must have a daily caretaker for the dogs, especially as AM and PM apparently didn't give a crap about them. Still doesn't explain why MM and especially PM were at the kennels at 9pm at night on June 7 (where was Buster?).

Buster: "You're the only parent I have left." More weight, imho, to the notion that AM had NO intention of actually killing himself on lonely Salkehatchie Rd.

AM's alleged Rx pill addiction: sounds like he maybe doc-shopped, those docs used fake patient names so the state / Feds wouldn't put 2+2 together, delivered the Rx's direct to his home and a doc or two were only too happy to assist the powerful, intimidating ruler of SC ... perhaps for the right price. So, more evidence, imho that, unless Curtis Edward Smith is a registered, licensed pharmacist, he is not and never has been AM's "personal drug dealer".

I hope this housekeeper keeps talking.
More than that, I hope she stays alive.

 

[Sleuth307]

@Sleuth307

One more question if you don’t mind.

Is it normal for a lawyer/law firm to have malpractice insurance?

Never knew.

I think it depends on the state whether it is technically required by law. But, I am not aware of any attorney that I know that does not have malpractice insurance. It’s pretty standard.

 

[SuziQ]

From Cody Alcorn FB

This is breaking following my interview this week with Eric Bland who is the attorney for the sons of Gloria Satterfield, the former housekeeper of Alex and Maggie Murdaugh.
“The law firm of Bland Richter, LLP is pleased to announce on behalf of the Estate of Gloria Satterfield (“Estate”) that on Friday October 1, 2021 a settlement was reached with attorney Cory Fleming, his law firm Moss, Kuhn and Fleming and their insurance carrier in connection with the pending lawsuit. Mr. Fleming and his firm agreed that the Estate will be paid back all legal fees and expenses Mr. Fleming and his law firm received from the $4,300,000 they recovered for the Estate in connection with the claims asserted against Alex Murdaugh for the death of Gloria Satterfied. In addition, their malpractice insurance carrier agreed to pay to the Estate their full policy limits of insurance. Mr. Fleming stepped forward and did the right thing by the Estate. Mr. Fleming and his law firm maintain, they—like others—were victims of Alex Murdaugh’s fraudulent scheme. A more comprehensive joint statement from Mr. Fleming, his firm, and the Satterfield Estate will be issued later this week. Mr. Fleming and his law firm were represented by Thomas Pendarvis from the Pendarvis Law Offices, P.C. in Beaufort, South Carolina and David Overstreet of Earhart Overstreet in Charleston, South Carolina. The estate will continue pursuing other culpable parties who resist acceptance of responsibility for their part in this tragic matter.”

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The bank needs to step up as well.

 

[Luna20]

I wonder if there have been any requests for the 911 call or photos from the AM/Eddie event to be released?

 

[Luna20]

I'm glad GS's sons will receive some money before a long drawn out legal battle ate it all up. As far as CF not knowing what AM was doing within the whole situation...nope, don't believe for one second. AJMO

CF should have to pay Blands fees. It’s unfair that the sons have to put out funds to get the funds they are rightfully owed…with interest.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I’ve just come across this - wow.
Alex and Maggie Murdaugh's marriage was in crisis, family insider reveals | Daily Mail Online

Snipped

Alex and Maggie Murdaugh's marriage was a relationship in crisis as Maggie demanded answers about their dwindling funds and they repeatedly argued over money and his drug use in the weeks before her brutal shooting, DailyMail.com can reveal.

'Alex and Maggie didn't look at each other like they were married. There was no love lost between them. I never saw them touch or be affectionate to each other.

Maggie, the source told DailyMail.com, had long dealt with her husband's now much reported abuse of prescription pills but, they said, 'I don't think she'd had to worry about money before. That was new for her.'

The source explained, 'I remember one day, it must have been a few months before she was killed, she was crying because she had written a check at a charity luncheon, and it had bounced.

'He was just so checked out of the family by the end. He never gave her any real answers that I heard.'

And in a now chilling detail, the source continued, 'One thing that Maggie really loved was to be at the dog kennels. She loved those dogs – there was one in particular that she was very fond of.'

According to the source her routine was familiar to the household, 'She would go down there at least once a week, usually late afternoon or as the sun was setting. It was her thing.'

The source said, 'She asked him to spend more time with her and to help her with the kennels. Maggie said she needed to keep an eye on Paul, so she wanted him to go with her to make sure the dogs were okay.'

According to the source, the dogs were 'nothing more than trackers' to Murdaugh who had little care for them. The source added that Murdaugh rarely went down to the kennels where he found Maggie and Paul's bodies.

According to the source relations between all the family members were strained in the weeks and months before Maggie and Paul were shot.

Murdaugh was increasingly 'reckless' in his drug use, they said, while Maggie expressed growing concerns about money.

Meanwhile, the source told DailyMail.com, 'Alex was very angry with Paul about it but not because he'd caused the death of another person so much as because he'd brought such trouble and attention on the family.'

The source claimed that in those intervening months they heard Buster and his father argue more than once.

Just one week before this bizarre incident, according to the source, 'Buster and Alex were talking about the fact that the life insurance wasn't paying out on Maggie or Paul. My understanding was that there was a $6million policy on her and $4million on him.'

Murdaugh's attorney Dick Harpootlian has denied the existence of any such policies.

In truth, the said, 'It seemed like Alex had just washed his hands of his family. He was checked out and she could either look the other way, knowing all that she knew, or start again.

'I worry that her looking the other way is what got her killed.'

Who among us didn't know Hootnanny was lying about those life insurance policies on MM and PM?

JMO