SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #9

[RAISINISBACK]

People say that it was an amateur "shooter", given the terrible weather conditions. I say maybe that was the goal..to have total chaos in rain slicked environment, washing away certain things.

And I always come back to the same question:

WHY was MM even down at the kennels in such bad weather conditions....
If there is a digital trail to answer this... I must believe that LE must have this data...

Why no footprints? Because the killers footprints are the same as the footprints of the one who "discovered" the bodies. So....the "one who found the bodies" footprints could be explained away by that.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

i know its off topic..but never heard of that case.. Can you provide a brief "jist" before it (probably) is taken down!!

GUILTY - OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #66 (websleuths.com)

 

[SuziQ]

I’ve just come across this - wow.
Alex and Maggie Murdaugh's marriage was in crisis, family insider reveals | Daily Mail Online

For me only one puzzle piece is missing. Who was hired to pull the trigger.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I am envious sometimes, of "large family" dynamics... just something i have never experienced!!! And you have apparently LEFT the South, so your experiences are uniquely your own.

I am still a "newbie" living in the South... but one thing that I have become aware of ... is that on the surface folks can seem so very charming and play well with others... but behind the scenes can be a very different reaction and sentiment. Some of my very dear longtime Southern friends have pointed out ways you can see this!!! moo moo

And this is why all the staged PR statements are so hard to accept. There are reasons for their choice of words, but are not expected to be fact or truth.

is that on the surface folks can seem so very charming and play well with others... but behind the scenes can be a very different reaction and sentiment.
BBM

Exactly!!!

 

[RAISINISBACK]

For me only one puzzle piece is missing. Who was hired to pull the trigger.

AM did it himself, on one of his drunken, drug induced mental state.

JMO

 

[Lux et Veritas]

For me only one puzzle piece is missing. Who was hired to pull the trigger.

I think AM was messed up enough, greedy enough, con man enough and malevolent enough to do it himself.

 

[MoeInVA]

@Sleuth307

One more question if you don’t mind.

Is it normal for a lawyer/law firm to have malpractice insurance?

Never knew.

Yes

 

[escape2sc]

I am envious sometimes, of "large family" dynamics... just something i have never experienced!!! And you have apparently LEFT the South, so your experiences are uniquely your own.

I am still a "newbie" living in the South... but one thing that I have become aware of ... is that on the surface folks can seem so very charming and play well with others... but behind the scenes can be a very different reaction and sentiment. Some of my very dear longtime Southern friends have pointed out ways you can see this!!! moo moo

And this is why all the staged PR statements are so hard to accept. There are reasons for their choice of words, but are not expected to be fact or truth.

BBM
I am not sure where in the South you live but I have lived in South Carolina on and off for a total of 30 years and have friends and family throughout the state, as well as in North Carolina, Georgia, Florida and Tennessee. My friends and family are scattered from the coast to the mountains. They live in tourist towns, cities, industrial areas and rural areas. They are well educated and high school dropouts - professionals, laborers, retail, fast food , military, first responders, disabled, teachers and stay at home moms. They are from all incomes, races, religions and sexual preference - None of them are any different behind the scenes than they are in any public setting - granted some relations and friendships may get a little frosty during election years but by the Holidays everyone is over it. I lived in Texas for 8 years... no one I knew there had a secret persona behind the scenes. I lived in the upper Midwest for 8 years and that is where I ran into some who preached Christian values and beliefs for their religion while blasting other religions. Where the bars outnumbered the churches and shops in town. Where a a wonderfully, amazing young woman was shunned by her community and family for being a lesbian.

I really do not think it is fair for the "South" to always get the bad rap . I am lucky enough to not have any of the "behind the scenes" people in my circle in the South and unlucky to find them within my circle in the Midwest. It's a big country with over 300 million people.....there are "behind the scenes" people everywhere.

 

[MoeInVA]

Maybe that struggle for the gun CES says he had with AM was self-preservation? AM must have already fired the gun before CES got there, ie the multiple casings found at scene. CES said when the gun went off he took it and ran like hell out of Dodge.

A dead CES at the scene could have potentially have been blamed for all manner of crime. AJMO

Wouldn’t that have been neat?!! Tied everything up with a little bow and left no one alive to question!

I always thought Old Salkahatchie shooting was a fake shooting to draw attention away from AM as suspect and build sympathy for AM. (Look I’m being pursued by these criminals).

But yours is a very good alternative theory with a much more decisive end. (Kind of like the expiration date on the reward). Worthy of keeping in mind!

moo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Gambling?

that is my guess.... you can go down big and strong with gambling

 

[pearl]

I have a life insurance question. I know a person can have many life insurance policies to benefit individual loved ones in the event of death. However, I did not think you could buy such large policies as reported in the news article for his wife and child because they would not qualify for that amount. As I understand it, you can have multiple policies but you have to qualify for the amount you purchase. Having a $4 million dollar policy on your 22 year old son (probably bought when he much younger) is questionable to me. Please someone with insurance knowledge comment on this.

 

[skyedaze]

my only question is...
if he paid someone else, how did he know when to show up during that small time window?

which to me says he didn't need to...he was already there.
gross

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Alex and Maggie Murdaugh's marriage was in crisis, family insider reveals | Daily Mail Online

... inside source ... has told of the scenes that they witnessed. ...

... source, who has known the family for more than three years ...

... According to the source her [MM] routine was familiar to the household, 'She would go down there [kennels] at least once a week, usually late afternoon or as the sun was setting. It was her thing.' ...

... The source claimed that in those intervening months they heard Buster and his father argue more than once. They recalled, 'In one [argument] Buster was telling his father to get it together. He said, 'You're the only parent I have left.' ...

... Just one week before this bizarre [AM shooting] incident, according to the source, 'Buster and Alex were talking about the fact that the life insurance wasn't paying out on Maggie or Paul. My understanding was that there was a $6million policy on her and $4million on him.' ... The source maintained, 'Alex was talking to Buster about it and told him that soon he 'wouldn't have to worry about any of that.' ...

... The source told DailyMail.com, 'They'd had secrets they kept a long time. Maggie was well aware of Alex's prescription pill problem and had been for years. 'I saw her digging a bottle of pills that didn't have Alex's name on it out of the trash more than once. On one occasion she told me she was going to confront the person whose name was on it, but I don't know if she ever did.' ...

WHO was this 'source' who had only known the Murdaughs three+ years but had a "ringside seat" into their private lives? Clearly not a family member. My guess - a new housekeeper, hired after GS died. The hired help would certainly be privy to all sorts of family dirt and ugliness behind closed doors.

If MM didn't go down to the kennels every single day, the family must have a daily caretaker for the dogs, especially as AM and PM apparently didn't give a crap about them. Still doesn't explain why MM and especially PM were at the kennels at 9pm at night on June 7 (where was Buster?).

Buster: "You're the only parent I have left." More weight, imho, to the notion that AM had NO intention of actually killing himself on lonely Salkehatchie Rd.

AM's alleged Rx pill addiction: sounds like he maybe doc-shopped, those docs used fake patient names so the state / Feds wouldn't put 2+2 together, delivered the Rx's direct to his home and a doc or two were only too happy to assist the powerful, intimidating ruler of SC ... perhaps for the right price. So, more evidence, imho that, unless Curtis Edward Smith is a registered, licensed pharmacist, he is not and never has been AM's "personal drug dealer".

I hope this housekeeper keeps talking.
More than that, I hope she stays alive.

I would agree that someone who knew the family about three years and says they had so much intimate knowledge had to be household help, but for benefit of LE and solving crime, hope all this is the truth and not exaggerated. While it all makes sense — fits with facts we have — my impression of DM is sort of in category of a grocery store tabloid and don’t they pay their sources — more dirt, more money? Just wondering — IDK. We might hope to read these same details in other places, too. MOO.

Great post, Lux! Good points.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

BBM
I am not sure where in the South you live but I have lived in South Carolina on and off for a total of 30 years and have friends and family throughout the state, as well as in North Carolina, Georgia, Florida and Tennessee. My friends and family are scattered from the coast to the mountains. They live in tourist towns, cities, industrial areas and rural areas. They are well educated and high school dropouts - professionals, laborers, retail, fast food , military, first responders, disabled, teachers and stay at home moms. They are from all incomes, races, religions and sexual preference - None of them are any different behind the scenes than they are in any public setting - granted some relations and friendships may get a little frosty during election years but by the Holidays everyone is over it. I lived in Texas for 8 years... no one I knew there had a secret persona behind the scenes. I lived in the upper Midwest for 8 years and that is where I ran into some who preached Christian values and beliefs for their religion while blasting other religions. Where the bars outnumbered the churches and shops in town. Where a a wonderfully, amazing young woman was shunned by her community and family for being a lesbian.

I really do not think it is fair for the "South" to always get the bad rap . I am lucky enough to not have any of the "behind the scenes" people in my circle in the South and unlucky to find them within my circle in the Midwest. It's a big country with over 300 million people.....there are "behind the scenes" people everywhere.

Amen!

Transparent people and deceptive people everywhere. Warm people and cold people everywhere. Good people and bad people everywhere. Rude people and polite people everywhere. Loners and extroverts everywhere. Need I go on?

 

[StrangerThanFiction]

Well maybe we can't believe what AM's attorney says for now. Defense attorneys don't have to prove anything in court, they're not held to the same level of accountability as prosecutors. So, they can shade the truth as much as they want.

Same for politicians, IMO.

 

[Elley Mae]

Attorneys seek to question SC judge about millions meant for Murdaugh housekeeper's sons

Attorneys seek to question SC judge about millions meant for Murdaugh housekeeper's sons

Attorneys Eric Bland and Ronnie Richter, who represent Gloria Satterfield's sons, filed notice on Oct. 5 that they intend to question Judge Carmen Mullen in a videotaped deposition later this month.
Several veteran S.C. lawyers told The Post and Courier they had never heard of an attorney seeking to depose a judge. The move is expected to raise eyebrows in legal circles in South Carolina.

"They're being aggressive here in doing this," said former University of South Carolina School of Law Dean Robert Wilcox.

 

[MassGuy]

Alex Murdaugh was mastermind in diverting over $3.5M in death settlement checks, court docs say
https://twitter.com/jmonkatthestate/status/1445515745731887107?s=21
https://twitter.com/jmonkatthestate/status/1445515745731887107?s=21

Less than two weeks after denying they had any role in the Gloria Satterfield settlement, partners at the Murdaugh family law firm now have a lot of explaining to do after court documents allege that firm employees participated in the fraudulent scheme.

https://twitter.com/mandymatney/status/1445515686369890309?s=21

 

[sunshineray]

AM issues denial of marital problems through his lawyers in relation to the People magazine story.

Maggie Murdaugh divorce: Alex responds to People Magazine article

I've been wondering, if anyone knows, how long could AM's rehab stint potentially be?

 

[clearskies1]

AM issues denial of marital problems through his lawyers in relation to the People magazine story.

Maggie Murdaugh divorce: Alex responds to People Magazine article

I've been wondering, if anyone knows, how long could AM's rehab stint potentially be?

Maybe 25 to Life. JMO.

 

[raja]

Maybe 25 to Life. JMO.

That’s funny