SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #28

[Cindizzi]

IIRC, SS, the night time caregiver of his mother, said it was unusual for AM to visit at night. Not sure about other testimony, I will have to wait with you for the better sleuths to answer.

Yes SS said it and also this caregiver said it was unusual.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624131961643012098

 

[worm]

I can add with confidence as I had a roommate once that took up burglary as a hobby, all LE searches in SC aren’t quite as delicate and polite like with Mr Ms home. I would guess too that many drug war victims don’t have cops warning each other about “who this family is” or filling them in later.

 

[Boismom]

If my screen is locked and I throw my iPhone 11 nothing changes.

 

[Edvis]

Calling dibs on the Cleopatra Suite

Reserved just for you, complete with those guys who slowly wave the fans to keep the air comfortable.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

This came out on day 16 of trial. It was not confirmed as CBR's DNA.

Linking article:

Fingernail clippings from Maggie Murdaugh’s left hand contained DNA from an unidentified, unrelated male. Zapata said family members of Mallory Beach, the Cooke brothers, Alex Murdaugh, John Marvin Murdaugh and Buster Murdaugh were excluded as possible sources for the DNA. SLED compared the sample to C.B. Rowe, who worked at the property. They said he could not be visually excluded but it is “11 times more likely” the sample was from someone else.

Edit: Removed unnecessary words/fixed punctuation

IMO, the DNA (3 alleles! can you say "miniscule") of an "unrelated male" found under Maggie's fingernails got there when she went to a nail salon earlier that day, which is the opposite of what defense attorney Barber said (that they should have been clean). I guess it would be interesting to know if there was a male employee working at the salon (not just a manicurist but a cleaner or someone who did the books or regularly touched things at the salon), or even a client (whose DNA was left on a door handle or chair).

"Defense attorney Phillip Barber asked if the DNA was submitted to CODIS, the FBI’s DNA database, but Zapata said it did not meet the requirements for CODIS because the sample contained only three alleles. Barber said Maggie Murdaugh went to the nail salon on the day she was killed so her nails should have been clean. Zapata said the DNA could have been transferred from her touching an object or person."

Murdaugh trial, Day 16: A jury shakeup and new evidence

 

[iridized]

We heard from the CFO that every client that had money stolen from them had been paid back. I believe we heard from someone else (an attorney from the firm) that same thing. Now today we hear that there are still at least two outstanding payments that have not been made which means that not everyone had been paid back their stolen monies. Why has it taken this long? Are they negotiating how much they are paying back?

ETA I sure hope they are getting interest as well.

 

[Edvis]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628503902017519624

Let the nightmares begin lol

 

[kaen]

If he testifies tomorrow, it will be clear that he has been calling all of the defense witness shots of the non-expert witnesses. Therefore, the softballs to BM and the disaster of MB today would make sense. If he is that clueless to think that he can get up there and sway someone, we know how he got where he is. The whole ineffectiveness of counsel appeal won't be available because his words will hang him--- people are not even being kind about his untruths, they are outright calling him a liar in court. His bigger issue would be his testimony rather than inept counsel.

We will know if he is not calling all the shots if he doesn't get up and testify. The defense team must have people outside of his friends and family giving them odds and reassessing with each witness. MB was a disaster because he didn't answer "yes" or "no" but rather gave a story for each question, not stopping and not interrupted hardly ever.

 

[Boismom]

How do they know when MMs phone was thrown if there is no gps data? What am I missing? The fact that the phone ended up in a path AM traveled is much more important than the 2min difference of lights, etc.

 

[Seattle1]

IIRC, SS, the night time caregiver of his mother, said it was unusual for AM to visit at night. Not sure about other testimony, I will have to wait with you for the better sleuths to answer.

IMO, AM was not a morning person and when he'd finally leave Moselle for the office in Hampton, it would be near lunchtime when AM probably stopped by his parents' en route to give both Ms. Mixson and his mother a cuddle (she helped raise AM). I think it's true AM's visits were mostly during the day shift. JMO

 

[kaen]

How do they know when MMs phone was thrown if there is no gps data? What am I missing? The fact that the phone ended up in a path AM traveled is much more important than the 2min difference of lights, etc.

I think it is the orientation data that they were using. I could be wrong but it was backlighting and orienting at differing times with the last being when the phone was "allegedly" thrown.

 

[Edvis]

I can add with confidence as I had a roommate once that took up burglary as a hobby, all LE searches in SC aren’t quite as delicate and polite like with Mr Ms home. I would guess too that many drug war victims don’t have cops warning each other about “who this family is” or filling them in later.

The roommate could have got a job as one of those phone tossing experts, just drive around all day and throw phones out the window.

 

[lucegirl]

AM’s credibility has already been impeached so drastically, even before or without him taking the stand, I can see the jury being resentful towards the defense’s decision to give AM a platform to lie - directly to them. I get he has right to testify/confront accusers and is of course presumed innocent - but he is only presumed innocent of the murders - he is factually a proven, prolific liar, and the worst kind of liar preying on victims who put their trust in him. This is not garden variety lying because he has legal fiduciary duties to his clients. He took an oath as a lawyer. His lies were intentional and callous. Then he lied all over the place to law enforcement and the legal community, his partners, starting at 10:06:49. I can’t imagine him going anywhere near a bible tomorrow, raising his hand, and promising to tell the truth to that jury with a straight face. I think the jury will assume he is lying at the oath.

So he gets on the stand with all of that unseemly baggage, for what purpose?

I think the only thing no other witness can speak to first hand (short of admitting to the murders) is the Bubba tape.

Putting him up and not asking is worse than not taking the stand. He can’t deny it (rationally) for multiple reason including DH has more or less conceded it, the growing mountain of witnesses who are 100% certain it is him, and well because the sky is blue ( I think.)

So the point is to try to restore his credibility with the jury by putting on a stunt - to have him admit to something obvious in hopes of showing he isn’t a liar “now”.

But this is a dead end strategy, and it will not end well for AM. He can carry on about his love for family and blah blah - but where does he go at 8:44?

If he admits it’s him on tape - he has to explain why he made up the nap story. He just can’t say it’s him on the tape in isolation without admitting he made up a story about what he was doing from 8:44-9:06; or the reason he lied all over the place about not being at the kennels to the first responders and on and on.

Questions I would like to ask AM;

You would agree you were upset by what you saw at the crime scene, correct?

You agree you contacted 911 because you wanted law enforcement to come to your rescue in case there was a gunman at large as well as to begin an investigation into the slaying of 1/2 your family, correct?

You agreed law enforcement had a job to do at the scene and that including preserving evidence including obtaining the GSR kit and your statement, correct ?

You agree you were cooperative with the investigation, put up a reward, and wanted to solve the murders, correct?

Did you think the nap story was helpful to law enforcement in the wee hours of June 7?

Isn’t it more plausible you tried to distance yourself from the kennels with the nap story?

Would it not have been more helpful to the investigation to admit you were at the kennels since you were the closest thing to an eye witness, other than Bubba?

Was there a time when you became aware of a video recorded by your son minutes before he was slain?

Was that time you learned about the tapes several months after the murders?

Did you see the video? And you agree it’s your voice in the video?

We’re you surprised there was this video of the last happy moments of your son and wife playing with Bubba?

Did the video refresh your recollection as to the events of June 7 around 8:44?

And you have seen the same video 7 or so times in court here during this trial, correct?

And you are under oath here today, and your testimony is you did [fill in the blank] after you left the kennels and drive to your moms….”

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628518914941394945

As Mark Ball said today, I'd have to see it to really believe it.

 

[kaen]

IMO, AM was not a morning person and when he'd finally leave Moselle for the office in Hampton, it would be near lunchtime when AM probably stopped by his parents' en route and give both Ms. Mixson and his mother a cuddle (she helped raise AM). I think it's true AM's visits were mostly during the day shift. JMO

And, wasn't it her that almost had the "drug dealing" accusation bus go over her? Daytime visit would be the time when she was there and not ever at night so...... he might have been trying to frame her.

 

[justtrish]

I think today just solidified that Alex lied about the events of that night. He was home when they were murdered because the defense thinks the phone was tossed at 9:06pm and Alex was still at the house then.

If Alex was still at the house then he was not sleeping and was awake when they were murdered and he heard nothing, saw nothing and not only did he not hear gunshots, then he didn't see/hear the car leaving that the murderer would have been driving in and tossing her phone from?

Why would he say he was napping? Is it because he knew they could prove you can hear gunshots inside the house and if he was there inside the house and not at the kennel when they were shot, then he could/would have heard them. So he had to be napping, only he wasn't napping he was at the kennel just a few minutes before they were shot.

If he takes the stand, how does he explain that all away? The defense hasn't really tried to explain that at all. They tried to show he wouldn't hear it, but that was disproven.. so what else do they have? He can't overcome the fact he lied about where he was during the very moments his family was being murdered and I just don't think he can explain that away.. not with I was high on drugs (because just 1 hour later he was not high on drugs when LE showed up) and he can't say he was sound asleep because he was clearly at the kennel at 8:44. If he was at the kennel at 8:44 he didn't need to call Maggie over and over and text her about leaving to go to see his mom he was just with her.. so that makes it even more staged since he wasn't napping and then leaving to go see his mom.. he would have left the kennel to go to the house while Paul and Maggie were still there and then he's wide awake preparing to go see his mom and didn't hear 2 shotgun blasts and 5 rifle rounds going off.. then decides to call and text several times just to let her know he was leaving and then he left and didn't see a strange car or anything?

Which brings up another thought.. someone had to be just watching and waiting for him to return to the house so if he headed back just after that video caught his voice.. then what at least 5 minutes to get back to the house and he didn't see a vehicle coming in or people.. dogs didn't go crazy with strangers showing up, then gunshots.. didn't hear them, then left about 9:06 so the strangers come in and find the weapons and kill them and leave in about maybe a 10 minute window because they toss her phone at 9:06 and it had to happen precisely in time for him to not see a strange vehicle exiting his driveway?

 

[cocky0]

As you guys are hearing testimony about half-assed investigations by law enforcement, keep in mind the relationship between Solicitor Duffie Stone and Alex. This is of interest, because many around here said from day one that he should have recused himself and his office from the investigation immediately.

But he didn't. At least not until a few months after the murders.

It was widely thought around Hampton at that time that the murders would go unsolved due to them not wanting to implicate Alex in the crime. The financial stuff and the roadside shooting is what seemed to change the tone in the investigation back then. Or at least that is how it seemed to me.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

If my screen is locked and I throw my iPhone 11 nothing changes.

I just tossed my iPhone onto the couch, no backlight, no screen change. I have dropped it when exercising my horses, again no back light or screen change. I have to tap the screen to make it come on.

 

[MassGuy]

In defending SLED investigators, my favorite response from witness Ken Zercie during cross:

Prosecutor: Do you make mistakes, Mr. Zercie?

Zercie: My pencil has an eraser.

That's gold, Jerry! Gold!

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

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