Several' bodies found at Mandan, North Dakota business, 1 April 2019 *Arrest*

[Tillicum]

I think I would be afraid to go back to work there knowing the killer is still on the loose!

According to their facebook page as of an hour ago, they are open and customers are going inside.

 

[PrairieWind]

Wow I heard about this yesterday and just thought "I bet it was carbon monoxide." Didn't follow up until just now. Murdered!
Property managers often have to deal with irate tenants and sometimes evict. Could be someone that thought they were unfairly evicted, deposits withheld, etc? LE said it appears the business was targeted, so I don't think it was just a random burglary interrupted. I think violence was the goal here. I think this will be solved soon.

 

[eucalyptuz]

The company website has taken down the “meet our team”/“about us” page...possibly to protect the employees from the media.

 

[LarkBunting]

According to their facebook page as of an hour ago, they are open and customers are going inside.

Uh, heck no, that would not be me going inside as a customer. Not with no answers & so much silence going on.

I saw the post about donations being split between two of the three families who lost loved ones. I took it as the family of the owner letting the families of the employees split the donations, simply based on the owner/employee “hierarchy,” if you will. The company owner would likely be financially better off than the employees.

Where is the female owner? Is she being kept safe somewhere? If her husband was one of the intended targets, why wasn't she, as the other owner? Did the killer only have issues with the male owner? Then, why kill employees? Were they witnesses to whatever happened to the male owner? (Clearly, why kill anyone bc it’s all so horrible & wrong...their poor families.)

What is with all the silence? I hope this means LE is soon to crack the case wide open & arrest someone.

 

[PrairieWind]

According to their facebook page as of an hour ago, they are open and customers are going inside.

They pretty much would HAVE to get back open for business. They are managing properties and that work has to get done or there will be big problems. Plus, with storage, they have to let people get to that stuff as needed. Its a tough deal, but has to be done.

 

[Trudie]

They pretty much would HAVE to get back open for business. They are managing properties and that work has to get done or there will be big problems. Plus, with storage, they have to let people get to that stuff as needed. Its a tough deal, but has to be done.

True, or patrons would scream “I’ll call my lawyer”, lol.
Imo, LE has a suspect in mind, just need to find him or a piece of the puzzle is missing, soon to be found.
Moo

 

[NickoD]

Could be, but I wonder how, logistically, that would happen. All four would've have to stumble on the burglary at the same time for all to be killed. ??

jmo

And what burglar keeps working week schedule? If I was going to break in it would be over the weekend when the business is closed.

 

[Gardenista]

North Dakota couple killed, daughters want justice

 

[Inthedetails]

They pretty much would HAVE to get back open for business. They are managing properties and that work has to get done or there will be big problems. Plus, with storage, they have to let people get to that stuff as needed. Its a tough deal, but has to be done.

Exactly. The owners of the buildings need their rent money, etc. RJR was in business helping other businesses - they need to stay open for those other businesses' sake.

Tough situation all around.

jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They pretty much would HAVE to get back open for business. They are managing properties and that work has to get done or there will be big problems. Plus, with storage, they have to let people get to that stuff as needed. Its a tough deal, but has to be done.

Yes, as hard as it is to do now, business must go on.

I have been following this case closely, but haven't posted until now.

I really thought at first this would quickly be solved.

I imagine all 4 victims were in totally different areas when they were attacked, and murdered.

I don't get the feeling they were all in one room when it happened, but spread out, and that is why LE said the crime scene is a large area.

Its possible that some of the other victims may not have known what had happened to the others. We don't know yet the weapon used do we?

Imo, this is not drug related. I think this company is a legitimate business doing legitimate work in their community. They actually sound like a nice company to work for from what I've read.

My first thought it was a disgruntled employee, past or present.

Imo that could still be the case or someone who was recently evicted.

I do believe LE knows much more, even today than at first, and I do believe this case will be solved sooner, rather than later.

Bless all of the victims, and their grieving families.

Jmo

 

[zecats]

And what burglar keeps working week schedule? If I was going to break in it would be over the weekend when the business is closed.

Since it's not known for sure (or at least not stated) when this occurred, it could have happened Sunday - late evening/overnight. Maybe burglary and with intention to be out of there early Monday morning. Place doesn't open for business til Monday morning at 8:30.

 

[zecats]

Yes, as hard as it is to do now, business must go on.

I have been following this case closely, but haven't posted until now.

I really thought at first this would quickly be solved.

I imagine all 4 victims were in totally different areas when they were attacked, and murdered.

I don't get the feeling they were all in one room when it happened, but spread out, and that is why LE said the crime scene is a large area.

Its possible that some of the other victims may not have known what had happened to the others. We don't know yet the weapon used do we?

Imo, this is not drug related. I think this company is a legitimate business doing legitimate work in their community. They actually sound like a nice company to work for from what I've read.

My first thought it was a disgruntled employee, past or present.

Imo that could still be the case or someone who was recently evicted.

I do believe LE knows much more, even today than at first, and I do believe this case will be solved sooner, rather than later.

Bless all of the victims, and their grieving families.

Jmo

I agree with you about victims being killed one at a time and not in the same area. The statement about a large crime scene seems to indicate that it was spread out over this facility.. IMO

 

[Tillicum]

Yes, as hard as it is to do now, business must go on.

I have been following this case closely, but haven't posted until now.

I really thought at first this would quickly be solved.

I imagine all 4 victims were in totally different areas when they were attacked, and murdered.

I don't get the feeling they were all in one room when it happened, but spread out, and that is why LE said the crime scene is a large area.

Its possible that some of the other victims may not have known what had happened to the others. We don't know yet the weapon used do we?

Imo, this is not drug related. I think this company is a legitimate business doing legitimate work in their community. They actually sound like a nice company to work for from what I've read.

My first thought it was a disgruntled employee, past or present.

Imo that could still be the case or someone who was recently evicted.

I do believe LE knows much more, even today than at first, and I do believe this case will be solved sooner, rather than later.

Bless all of the victims, and their grieving families.

Jmo

I'm hoping we'll hear of an arrest soon. LE has had time to get analyses back on a lot of the evidence by now IMO.

 

[zecats]

April 3, 5:50am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crim...most-complete-mystery/?utm_term=.5dae1e4c4153

Ziegler, however, did not say how the four were killed. He didn’t try to estimate when. He didn’t identify a suspect, and he wouldn’t discuss a possible motive. He said investigators had not recovered a weapon at the scene. But he said he doesn’t think the public has any reason to worry about their own safety.

“This was very specific to the victims that were involved,” Ziegler said. “There was nothing that was at the crime scene that would lead us to believe that anybody outside the victims involved were in any danger.”

Police haven’t taken anyone into custody, and Ziegler declined to say whether they were searching for a lone killer or multiple perpetrators. There were security cameras in the building, but he did not say whether they had captured the killing. He apparently ruled out the possibility of a murder-suicide, though, telling the Bismarck Tribune that “these four people didn’t do it themselves.”

Ziegler and his deputy, Lori Flaten, have said they’re just trying to be cautious in discussing what remains an ongoing investigation. They don’t want to inadvertently release information that harms their police work, Flaten said.

“We’re not trying to hide anything; we just don’t want to jeopardize our investigation,” she said in an interview with The Washington Post. “Hopefully the public can understand that.”

 

[NickoD]

Even in New Zealand they are baffled with the lack of information and communication about this case. I saw an article from Washington Post calling out the authorities for the complete mystery of what happened (something common in Europe but US investigations are much more transparent) but I couldn't read the WaPo article because it was asking me to subscribe. (edit: @zecats posted part of it above!)

One thing is for sure, this is highly unusual for all this secrecy.

Link to NZ article: Boss and three workers dead at US warehouse, but no answers

 

[Inthedetails]

April 3, 5:50am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crim...most-complete-mystery/?utm_term=.5dae1e4c4153

Ziegler, however, did not say how the four were killed. He didn’t try to estimate when. He didn’t identify a suspect, and he wouldn’t discuss a possible motive. He said investigators had not recovered a weapon at the scene. But he said he doesn’t think the public has any reason to worry about their own safety.

“This was very specific to the victims that were involved,” Ziegler said. “There was nothing that was at the crime scene that would lead us to believe that anybody outside the victims involved were in any danger.”

Police haven’t taken anyone into custody, and Ziegler declined to say whether they were searching for a lone killer or multiple perpetrators. There were security cameras in the building, but he did not say whether they had captured the killing. He apparently ruled out the possibility of a murder-suicide, though, telling the Bismarck Tribune that “these four people didn’t do it themselves.”

Ziegler and his deputy, Lori Flaten, have said they’re just trying to be cautious in discussing what remains an ongoing investigation. They don’t want to inadvertently release information that harms their police work, Flaten said.

“We’re not trying to hide anything; we just don’t want to jeopardize our investigation,” she said in an interview with The Washington Post. “Hopefully the public can understand that.”

I do understand, and I don't get the vibe that LE is hiding anything in this case. I respect their stance to keep info close to the chest for now. It would be awesome if the next info released is the announcement of an arrest.

In the meantime, however, we are WSers and perhaps they could share some info just with us? That seems reasonable.

jmo

 

[eucalyptuz]

My best theory that would fit the odd comments and statements from police is not very victim-friendly...because of speculation about actions of victims/motive of killer.

Apart from being kind of frustrated by the lack of info, I also feel a great respect for the people of Mandan and their unity with police on this one...it really is *crickets* out there.

 

[PrairieWind]

April 3, 5:50am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crim...most-complete-mystery/?utm_term=.5dae1e4c4153

Ziegler, however, did not say how the four were killed. He didn’t try to estimate when. He didn’t identify a suspect, and he wouldn’t discuss a possible motive. He said investigators had not recovered a weapon at the scene. But he said he doesn’t think the public has any reason to worry about their own safety.

“This was very specific to the victims that were involved,” Ziegler said. “There was nothing that was at the crime scene that would lead us to believe that anybody outside the victims involved were in any danger.”

Police haven’t taken anyone into custody, and Ziegler declined to say whether they were searching for a lone killer or multiple perpetrators. There were security cameras in the building, but he did not say whether they had captured the killing. He apparently ruled out the possibility of a murder-suicide, though, telling the Bismarck Tribune that “these four people didn’t do it themselves.”

Ziegler and his deputy, Lori Flaten, have said they’re just trying to be cautious in discussing what remains an ongoing investigation. They don’t want to inadvertently release information that harms their police work, Flaten said.

“We’re not trying to hide anything; we just don’t want to jeopardize our investigation,” she said in an interview with The Washington Post. “Hopefully the public can understand that.”

BBM. This leads me to believe the police have a good idea what happened and why.

 

[cody22]

I do understand, and I don't get the vibe that LE is hiding anything in this case. I respect their stance to keep info close to the chest for now. It would be awesome if the next info released is the announcement of an arrest.

In the meantime, however, we are WSers and perhaps they could share some info just with us? That seems reasonable.

jmo

I do not think that is going to happen no matter how special we are...LOL !...moo

 

[cattlekate]

Wouldn’t a brand-new 1.4 million warehouse and office building, housing tens of thousands worth of trucks, plows, sanders, trailers, mowers, construction, plumbing equipment, have electronic keypads and a security system?

Searching the Morton County public database doesn’t bring up any building plans, but common sense tells me they surely had at least a modern security system......A system where if an unauthorized person broke in during Sunday night/early Monday morning, an alarm would trigger. A system where if a non-employee came by before 8:30 am, they couldn’t open the office door.

It’s just so puzzling how the perp knew he could gain access and encounter RJR people.