Several' bodies found at Mandan, North Dakota business, 1 April 2019 *Arrest*

[NickoD]

Wouldn’t a brand-new 1.4 million warehouse and office building, housing tens of thousands worth of trucks, plows, sanders, trailers, mowers, construction, plumbing equipment, have electronic keypads and a security system?

Absolutely. Their insurance would have made it a requirement to their coverage.

 

[Tillicum]

North Dakota couple killed, daughters want justice

This will help narrow down the timeline IMO. Unless he worked nights, they were probably killed that morning. From above link: ""He called me before he went to work and I didn't answer," Amy Cobb said."

 

[zecats]

Wouldn’t a brand-new 1.4 million warehouse and office building, housing tens of thousands worth of trucks, plows, sanders, trailers, mowers, construction, plumbing equipment, have electronic keypads and a security system?

Searching the Morton County public database doesn’t bring up any building plans, but common sense tells me they surely had at least a modern security system......A system where if an unauthorized person broke in during Sunday night/early Monday morning, an alarm would trigger. A system where if a non-employee came by before 8:30 am, they couldn’t open the office door.

It’s just so puzzling how the perp knew he could gain access and encounter RJR people.

From my link above, an important statement, imo. BBM

"There were security cameras in the building, but he did not say whether they had captured the killing."

 

[Inthedetails]

This will help narrow down the timeline IMO. Unless he worked nights, they were probably killed that morning. From above link: ""He called me before he went to work and I didn't answer," Amy Cobb said."

I'd like to know at what time he called. Was that usual for him to call his step-daughter before work? Seems awfully early to place a call, unless it was an emergency?

jmo

 

[NickoD]

The Contradictions

The suspect or suspects remain at large but the public is safe.

“It’s quite a large crime scene, so it’s not something that’s going to be easy for us to get in and do quickly,” Police Chief Jason Ziegler tells AP but the business is back to being open today.

The authorities are asking for other businesses in the area to hand over surveillance footage relevant to the killings but we have no idea what is actually relevant.

Did I miss any others?

 

[zecats]

I'd like to know at what time he called. Was that usual for him to call his step-daughter before work? Seems awfully early to place a call, unless it was an emergency?

jmo

More of quote. And I wonder too when he actually called, when they started calling/texting back, if he left a message, and how it was known he called BEFORE he went work. Could have been on the way? Or after arriving? JMO

"He called me before he went to work and I didn't answer," AC said.

With tears in their eyes, both Amy and Brianna remembered the call no child wants to ever receive.

"I called my mom back-to-back. I called my step dad and texted them and what seemed like a lifetime of not receiving anything. I called her and that's when it was a leading investigation for the both of us to figure anything out," Miller said.

 

[zecats]

The Contradictions

The suspect or suspects remain at large but the public is safe.

“It’s quite a large crime scene, so it’s not something that’s going to be easy for us to get in and do quickly,” Police Chief Jason Ziegler tells AP but the business is back to being open today.

The authorities are asking for other businesses in the area to hand over surveillance footage relevant to the killings but we have no idea what is actually relevant.

Did I miss any others?

And iir, they did finish processing rather quickly compared to their stating it would take a while. IMO only, this could mean there was no blood spatter (gun or knife not weapon), as I would think that would take a while and - would they let employees back in the building if that were the case? I know there are clean-up parts to crime scene team, but 4 victims if shoot or stabbed might require quite a bit of processing and clean up.

I'm in speculation overdrive fyi.

 

[ReadySet]

An interesting article about homicide in the work place. Of course we don't know what happened in this situation. But this article makes me think about my initial theory, which is there is a financial basis to this crime. Someone found out something, knew something, were going to tell what they knew?

This sobering data point comes courtesy of the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics study on fatal occupational injuries. What’s behind all this shooting (the leading m.o. of workplace murderers, according to the study) and “stabbing, cutting, slashing, piercing” (the runner-up category)? News reports point to doomed love triangles and disgruntled co-workers. Another cause, however, has been largely overlooked: fraud.

A Shocking Number of Killers Murder Their Co-workers

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree with you about victims being killed one at a time and not in the same area. The statement about a large crime scene seems to indicate that it was spread out over this facility.. IMO

Thank you.

Yes, it tells me also the 4 victims were in different areas of the business when each was attacked.

Imo it doesn't sound like a firearm was the weapon used, since the daughter said her parents had been attacked.

That tends to make me believe some type of bludgeoning weapon was used, which would leave a very bloody crime scene.

Whoever did this could have surprise attacked each one, one by one, possibly using a sledgehammer or tire iron or metal rod.

One horrific blow could have easily rendered each one immediately unconscious, with no time to scream out.

This way there wouldnt be any shots fired to warn the others.

Some he could have easily snuck up on striking them from behind, and others that may have been in their office, may have been trapped with him standing in their way with no time to escape. One swing of the weapon would silence them.

Imo bludgeoning weapons are some of the most brutal lethal weapons, because just one blow to the head can do unbelievable damage, especially when the killer was most likely in a murderous rage with every powerful blow swung. They don't make any sounds either when used like a firearm would.

Imo he knew the layout well, and where everyone would be, and which one to target first.

I hope, and pray justice comes very soon for all four.

 

[Tillicum]

An interesting article about homicide in the work place. Of course we don't know what happened in this situation. But this article makes me think about my initial theory, which is there is a financial basis to this crime. Someone found out something, knew something, were going to tell what they knew?

This sobering data point comes courtesy of the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics study on fatal occupational injuries. What’s behind all this shooting (the leading m.o. of workplace murderers, according to the study) and “stabbing, cutting, slashing, piercing” (the runner-up category)? News reports point to doomed love triangles and disgruntled co-workers. Another cause, however, has been largely overlooked: fraud.

A Shocking Number of Killers Murder Their Co-workers

This is where I've been leaning from the beginning.

 

[NickoD]

Today's progress:

"Today law enforcement tells us they are conducting interviews with people of interest.
They are also talking to several employees of R-J-R.

We are also told several community businesses have been helpful in offering up surveillance video -- but they are having difficulty accessing it.
Leading them to reach out to individual I-T people who have access to the footage."

Link: Investigation continues into the quadruple homicide in Mandan

 

[tigertales]

MOO and observations:

• I believe LE has a great deal of detail and is organizing it to present to the DA.
• The company appears to be doing well, well maintained building, employees seem loyal, etc.
• security cameras were likely active inside the site and in the car park.
• It is not unusual for folks to show up to work for a business like that earlier than opening hours to prepare for the day
• I am really unclear about how each victim would have arrived at the location of the what LE says is true about only 1 vehicle on camera.
• If the victims were specifically targeted I wonder if JF feels safe or if opening and going back to work is an LE tactic to try and snag the perp

Above is just my observation and presented as my opinion only

 

[Inthedetails]

I get a Missy Bevers - SWAT Perp vibe with this case. I keep thinking the perp at RJR was in the building as people arrived - could be on tape like the SWAT Perp was on tape. And nearby business footage picking up a vehicle on camera.

(I am NOT suggesting the same perp as in Missy's case, just the same creepy vibe of someone lurking in a building, caught on camera.)

jmo

edited to add: Missy's case also happened in the early morning. (Again, not suggesting the same perp, just the same vibe.)

 

[Tillicum]

Thank you.

Yes, it tells me also the 4 victims were in different areas of the business when each was attacked.

Imo it doesn't sound like a firearm was the weapon used, since the daughter said her parents had been attacked.

That tends to make me believe some type of bludgeoning weapon was used, which would leave a very bloody crime scene.

Whoever did this could have surprise attacked each one, one by one, possibly using a sledgehammer or tire iron or metal rod.

One horrific blow could have easily rendered each one immediately unconscious, with no time to scream out.

This way there wouldnt be any shots fired to warn the others.

Some he could have easily snuck up on striking them from behind, and others that may have been in their office, may have been trapped with him standing in their way with no time to escape. One swing of the weapon would silence them.

Imo bludgeoning weapons are some of the most brutal lethal weapons, because just one blow to the head can do unbelievable damage, especially when the killer was most likely in a murderous rage with every powerful blow swung. They don't make any sounds either when used like a firearm would.

Imo he knew the layout well, and where everyone would be, and which one to target first.

I hope, and pray justice comes very soon for all four.

They probably have forklifts in the warehouse. Also there are photos of the interior of the warehouse at this link. In one street view image on the link you can see muddy tracks where someone was accessing the building from behind, not using the drive from the street. So it's possible IMO the killer could've come in from behind.
Google Maps: Report Inappropriate Image

 

[eucalyptuz]

I'd like to know at what time he called. Was that usual for him to call his step-daughter before work? Seems awfully early to place a call, unless it was an emergency?

jmo

The daughters would be in the same time zone in Illinois but a pre-7am phone call would be odd in most families, in my opinion. Makes me wonder if that missed phone call happened on the Sunday, or even the Saturday...
(Also the other daughters repeated phone calls to try and reach her mom...they could have been spaced over 24 hours.)

 

[NickoD]

I get a Missy Bevers - SWAT Perp vibe with this case. I keep thinking the perp at RJR was in the building as people arrived - could be on tape like the SWAT Perp was on tape. And nearby business footage picking up a vehicle on camera.

(I am NOT suggesting the same perp as in Missy's case, just the same creepy vibe of someone lurking in a building, caught on camera.)

jmo

edited to add: Missy's case also happened in the early morning. (Again, not suggesting the same perp, just the same vibe.)

Sadly, I totally agree with the same vibe. The Missy Bevers case still bugs me a lot and I did a lot of research on it outside WS. I really hope this is not one of those situations here.

 

[GordianKnot]

https://wxow.com/news/national-news...th-dakota-company-where-4-found-dead-reopens/

Per article, JF returned to work today.

 

[eucalyptuz]

North Dakota company where 4 found dead reopens

Per article, JF returned to work today.

I guess we can eliminate her from our enquiries

 

[dotr]

I get a Missy Bevers - SWAT Perp vibe with this case. I keep thinking the perp at RJR was in the building as people arrived - could be on tape like the SWAT Perp was on tape. And nearby business footage picking up a vehicle on camera.

(I am NOT suggesting the same perp as in Missy's case, just the same creepy vibe of someone lurking in a building, caught on camera.)

jmo

edited to add: Missy's case also happened in the early morning. (Again, not suggesting the same perp, just the same vibe.)

Omg, so did i, the thought just kept leaping out at me!

 

[dotr]

An interesting article about homicide in the work place. Of course we don't know what happened in this situation. But this article makes me think about my initial theory, which is there is a financial basis to this crime. Someone found out something, knew something, were going to tell what they knew?

This sobering data point comes courtesy of the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics study on fatal occupational injuries. What’s behind all this shooting (the leading m.o. of workplace murderers, according to the study) and “stabbing, cutting, slashing, piercing” (the runner-up category)? News reports point to doomed love triangles and disgruntled co-workers. Another cause, however, has been largely overlooked: fraud.

A Shocking Number of Killers Murder Their Co-workers

Thanks for the interesting article, posting it on the Honey and Barry Sherman thread.