SIDEBAR #22- Arias/Alexander forum

[Love Never Fails]

Don't you think she said that because he was dating women like Lisa and proclaiming himself a virgin while having wild sex with Jodi on the side. I think that's why she said it. As in, if he had been dating her friend she would have thought he was a because of that behaviour. Two different perspectives of the same man. One from a family's perspective, one from the friend of a girlfriends perspective.

Sure. I get that but my point is that she did say he was a . I disagree with her. I thought he was fairly normal. He most certainly was not abusive nor was he a swinger. IMO

 

[Truth Detector]

What does this mean, if I may ask, with respect, of course and just for my FYI:
Vine-borne projectile fruit? :floorlaugh:

I don't think he "subverted justice". He had a decision to make, and it was his to make, no matter what it was, and he made it. He picked life in prison and not the death penalty. 3 other jurors also made the same decision, but because they didn't come forward (and were smarter to keep their decision to themselves), they didn't receive the flack that Mr. Foreman did.
And I don't think he actually knew how to make his decision- certainly not unwilling to make a decision. He made it in whatever way he knew how, much to my chagrin, and could not "compromise" and "fold" to the majority, from what he felt was right for him. I can only hope that, if I was on a jury, that I would not fold to the majority and would stick to what I felt was right in my mind and for me.
he led the jury to its hanging.- must be a very weak-minded jury to be able to do that.

(I can't even imagine how I am "defending" Mr. Foreman and his right to make his decision- he disturbed me very much months ago, but I try to put myself in others shoes- it's very hard to do sometimes. :scared

BTW- I respect your opinion and your feelings about Mr. Foreman. I do not try to sway people to my opinion because I think I'm correct: I just state my thoughts and I'm grateful for your thoughts on this subject. :seeya:

BBM

By all indications they were exactly that.

Strong-minded jurors deliberate, influence, convince, persuade...

Weak-minded jurors throw in the towel, thereby -- wait for it -- subverting justice.

They unanimously agreed that they could hand down the DP or they would have been disqualified to serve. They unanimously found her guilty of 1st degree murder. They unanimously found that 1st degree murder especially cruel. But when it came down to it, they quit.

By the time they realized they had selected the wrong foreman, they hadn't the will to fix their mistake and just continued coasting to a deadlock.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I'm still disappointed that Jodi went librarian for the trial. I was hoping for big hats and tons of makeup. I'm also shocked she didn't faint at the decision. I just expected more court antics than fake crying and being rude to the prosecutor. I did enjoy when she did the superman line backer pose.

I'm happy that Nurmi didn't have her pose for how Travis forced himself upon poor Jodi. A waste of time and money, day after day of him taking about sex, and poor Jodi had her feelings hurt and made her show her bent finger.

Come on girl, on your knees now, and how did that make you feeellll?; and Jodi saying I'm ready for my closeup Mr DeMille and Websleuths would crash.

Yes. I'm in a sick humor tonight for some reason.

Mr. DeMille, I'm Ready for My Close-Up - Sunset Blvd. (8/8) Movie CLIP (1950) HD - YouTube

 

[Sulamith]

Mrs. Norris, I saw Shanna on The View. She said if Travis as her brother would be a great brother or something like that. But she said "if he was dating my best friend, he would be a ". So yes, she called him that. Why? Because of the sex tape? That's all she had. Sorry but I disagree with you. I never said he was innocent. I did say Jodi introduced him to things.

I did not watch The View on TV but I did see the clip on YouTube.

Did the network bleep out "" or maybe for some reason the person that uploaded the clip did?

If the network bleeped it out,I find it strange that they did so as it is not a curse word like the S word or the F word. I wonder what went on behind the scenes to have them delete it.

Whatever happened, IMO, so low rent of Shanna to say that.:moo:

 

[Gryphon610]

Thanks for the welcome. Have actually been a member since last March but I am an avid fan of this site, and I feel like I know all of you. It's good to see most of the regulars posting again. I really enjoy the back and forth of the discussions and the thoughtful insight that is shared!

 

[neesaki]

Don't you think she said that because he was dating women like Lisa and proclaiming himself a virgin while having wild sex with Jodi on the side. I think that's why she said it. As in, if he had been dating her friend she would have thought he was a because of that behaviour. Two different perspectives of the same man. One from a family's perspective, one from the friend of a girlfriends perspective.

Like his life with Jodi was just a fantasy, separate from his real life with real women. Interesting now that you bring it out in this way, sounds to me like compartmentalizing. Though for some reason realizing this makes it even more sad to me.

 

[LambChop]

You know what I think Travis' real problem was....he had a hard time saying no to anyone. It may have been something that he carried over from childhood. I think he really tried to be nice to JA, to please her, to deal with her, even to love her but she was much stronger than he was. He was different with Jodi because that is what she wanted. It never should defined him as the type of man he actually was. At his very worst Travis appears to have gone to any length to please the person he was with.

I also believe that the fact his friends joked about him being a virgin was that he did not disclose or brag about his personal intimate relationships with his friends, as they may have done. That also does not make him a bad person. jmo

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I see it more as a madonna / complex. A lot of guys have normal relationships with women the openly date and marry, but engage in more kinky like behaviour with women they keep on the side. I don't think it's so unusual with Travis considering his conservative religion etc. The problem here was that Jodi had started out in one group, and had moved into the second group because of her willingness to participate in sexual activity with him. She wanted it one way, and it was the other way. It enraged her, and she blamed him for it. JMO.

 

[Nore]

I'm still disappointed that Jodi went librarian for the trial. I was hoping for big hats and tons of makeup. I'm also shocked she didn't faint at the decision. I just expected more court antics than fake crying and being rude to the prosecutor. I did enjoy when she did the superman line backer pose.

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Tiger09, Jodi cant go shopping anymore.:laughcry::denied::crying:

 

[neesaki]

You know what I think Travis' real problem was....he had a hard time saying no to anyone. It may have been something that he carried over from childhood. I think he really tried to be nice to JA, to please her, to deal with her, even to love her but she was much stronger than he was. He was different with Jodi because that is what she wanted. It never should defined him as the type of man he actually was. At his very worst Travis appears to have gone to any length to please the person he was with.

I also believe that the fact his friends joked about him being a virgin was that he did not disclose or brag about his personal intimate relationships with his friends, as they may have done. That also does not make him a bad person. jmo

And I don't know about you, but back in my day, people's sex lives were kept private, one didn't go around broadcasting it. Today? I still think for the most part, at least for decent people, they keep it private and don't go around bragging about it. So, they joke about Travis being a virgin, and he's supposed to start bragging to everyone that he's not one . But that's not what he did.

 

[Nore]

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[Tricia]

Hey Websleuths Sleuthers eace:

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Beth was gracious enough to share it with us on True Crime Radio.

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THANK YOU

Tricia

 

[Sulamith]

When the foreman gave his many, many interviews and I heard some of the reasons he gave for his decisions, I was outraged.

After months of "hating" Mr. Foreman, I have come to some conclusions about him. After much mulling about, and struggles with my conscience on this man and the reasons he gave, I have come to the conclusion that his reasons were very valid for him.

When he said that he thought that missy was mentally abused by Travis, you have to just think about the era or generation that he grew up in. In that generation (which is my generation), men just didn't talk to their girlfriends like Travis did in the texts (?) and there wasn't sexting. To him, all those names that Travis called her, was abuse and not something a "gentleman" would use. He felt she was "used and abused". When he grew up, "nice" people didn't act the way Travis acted with missy. I seriously think he thought that Travis was the instigator in all the "abnormal sex" that was going on and that men are the ones who do the pursuing in a relationship. You have to remember that when he grew up, women never called a man. It was unimaginable to him. I think it's important to understand the mindset of where someone is coming from.

He also stated that when he first looked at the defendant, that it was hard to put it into perspective for him, that a young woman could brutality murder someone. I do think that this impression of missy must have carried over throughout the trial for him. Was he charmed by her? I guess he may have been.

This I'm still struggling with. I still don't understand how Mr. Foreman could just look at someone and decide if they can murder someone or not. But, people are judged by their looks and what he saw was a pretty little "girl", with a demur "librarian" persona (lies, we know). (I think he actually called her a "girl" and not a woman. I guess, to him, she was just a "girl" compared to his age). And yes, she is not a Jeffrey Dalmar or a Manson, but she is a murderer- no matter how many people were murdered and no matter what she looks like.
I still struggle with Mr. Foreman, but I'm coming around- a little.

Still struggling with trying to understand how the jury, as a whole, didn't understand that if they were 'hung" that there would be a mistrial.
They seriously need to find jurors from missy's generation for a "jury of her peers", IMO.

Just my :twocents:.

Well anyway, God help the new jury with their decision, whatever it may be.

BBM I got the impression he was referring to her size, not that she charmed him in any way. I doubt he found her charming. Now, Audrey Hepburn was charming. He was probably surprised that she was capable of inflicting all those wounds on TA who was much larger. Maybe he does not watch/read much true crime so he might know that looks are deceiving. Dorthea Puente (American serial killer) comes to mind. :moo:

 

[YESorNO]

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[YESorNO]

I'm happy that Nurmi didn't have her pose for how Travis forced himself upon poor Jodi. A waste of time and money, day after day of him taking about sex, and poor Jodi had her feelings hurt and made her show her bent finger.

Come on girl, on your knees now, and how did that make you feeellll?; and Jodi saying I'm ready for my closeup Mr DeMille and Websleuths would crash.

Yes. I'm in a sick humor tonight for some reason.

Mr. DeMille, I'm Ready for My Close-Up - Sunset Blvd. (8/8) Movie CLIP (1950) HD - YouTube

Love your "sick humor" ILTBP. That clip was just perfect!

 

[YESorNO]

Good night all :seeya:

 

[ElleElle]

"innocent"?

BBM

I recall only three potential criminal accusations of Travis Alexander during this case, and all three were leveled by a confessed killer and liar who lacked any corroborating evidence whatsoever. (Yes, I'm discounting her bent finger trick.)

IIRC, these were: pedophilia (implied possession of child , unnamed juvenile male victim), assault on multiple occasions of Jodi Ann Arias, and attempted murder of Jodi Ann Arias.

Do you believe that Travis Alexander was guilty of any or all of these three?

Some manipulation to a degree as Jodi believed these messages even though they were intended for fun imo.

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[ElleElle]

That was my era too. I think the foreman is nuts. Absolutely nuts!

Foreman probably thought Jodi was crackers; only heard one side because the dead can't speak.

But, Jodi is the "attractive crazy"... and some men feel, key word here, feel, they cannot convict a woman like Jodi. :bang:

It's kind of similar for the women who were Ted Bundy fans.

:moo:

 

[ElleElle]

Don't you think she said that because he was dating women like Lisa and proclaiming himself a virgin while having wild sex with Jodi on the side. I think that's why she said it. As in, if he had been dating her friend she would have thought he was a because of that behaviour. Two different perspectives of the same man. One from a family's perspective, one from the friend of a girlfriends perspective.

Travis' actions were sleazy in some ways, but he was also trapped in Jodi's web she weaved. She barely gave him room to breathe.

Did anyone know they were having sexual liaisons after she moved back to Yreka?

 

[ElleElle]

BBM Best boyfriend type? I think that when Travis first started dating missy- from what Skye and Chris said on the "sex kitten" show- he was very attentive to her and thought there was a possibility of being "exclusive", but it didn't turn out that way for him. It could be quite possible that Travis, after he decided she was not marriage material for him, told her that they would be just friends and not be anything more. She continued to see Travis as her "exclusive" in her warped mind, when in fact, she wasn't. Anything he did after that decision, in my mind- as he was a single man- was not "cheating" on missy and didn't make him a "" (what a horrendous word to use on TV or anywhere, IMO). As to Travis' continuing to see her after, well, I think any man would take the free "candy" she was offering. (what do they call it now- "friends with benefits").
I didn't see The View show, as I don't get the big networks and can't comment on it fully- just "that word" disturbs me when describing Travis as a boyfriend. It's not as if we actually knew the relationship that he had with missy- it's mostly hearsay at this point, to me, and mostly speculation on the part of his friends and the liar, missy.
All my :moo: :seeya:

Don't forget Travis a "practising" Mormon and had confessed to the Bishop. So, no I disagree. A man of religion should not be seeking a wife and sleeping around with easy booty in the meantime. That, IMO, is not normal behaviour for a man unless there are some ego issues.