SIDEBAR #26- Arias/Alexander forum

[YESorNO]

"...To whom, then, does the murderer owe his life? Obviously, to the heirs of the victim. If I murder a family man, for example, his widow and children then come to "own" me. They can put me to death, publicly, and charge admission for this event, or they can force me to do hard labor for the rest of my miserable life, the proceeds to go to them. It is a crime and a disgrace that such criminals now enjoy air conditioning, television, exercise rooms, etc. They owe a debt to (the heirs of) their victims, who are now, to add insult to injury, forced to pay again, through taxes, to maintain these miscreants in a relatively luxurious life, compared to what they richly deserve..."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/defending-the-undefendable/201106/the-death-penalty



God bless the Alexander family.

 

[Ricki]

Hi everyone. Been reading here throughout the day. Wow. Could it be this is a tactic of both JA and Nurmi to try and get a delay. I know Nurmi has tried before to get off the case but I don't get this. If he leaves she won't represent herself. Who will? Just Wilmont or would someone else have to be brought in? And yes, I do believe she wants to try and torment the witnesses and try to get something on Flores. Good luck with that one.


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[YESorNO]

I want to see the smirk wiped off of her face. I wanna see the retrial.

:tantrum: :tantrum:

[video=youtube;MeAqI3HSkuI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeAqI3HSkuI[/video]

 

[Ricki]

I would like to see it myself also. I just want to see Juan scramble her brain.


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[YESorNO]

I would like to see it myself also. I just want to see Juan scramble her brain.


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This will have to do for now: :floorlaugh:

 

[Wagara]

This is a question based on total ignorance on my part but please indulge me! Is the judge an island? I mean I understand she has the resources to research prior rulings and laws and such...and I understand that the rulings have to be hers alone...but is it unethical or unconstitutional to seek advice or support from her boss or her peers? I dont necessarily think shes doing a bad job but do feel gthere should be someone laying out a 'if this happenes, this is the precedent.' I just dont understand why everything has to be researched. Why wasnt this considered a posibility? Thats where I get lost!

 

[YESorNO]

An interesting article...

Voices from Solitary: A Sentence Worse Than Death

http://solitarywatch.com/2013/03/11/voices-from-solitary-a-sentence-worse-than-death/

Anyone read this article that rose posted? Interesting.

I was wondering if missy:jail: will have the same conditions in prison that this guy does (except, of course there won't be men yelling and such- like
in this prison). Would this be conditions only if she gets DP, I wonder, while she waits for death by injection?

Some excerpts that sound good: :facepalm:

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"The following essay is by William Blake, who has been held in solitary confinement for nearly 26 years. Currently he is in administrative segregation at Elmira Correctional Facility, a maximum security facility located in south central New York State. In 1987, Blake, then 23 and in county court on a drug charge, murdered one deputy and wounded another in a failed escape attempt. He was sentenced to 77 years to life....
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'...Prisoners call it The Box. Prison authorities have euphemistically dubbed it the Special Housing Unit, or SHU (pronounced “shoe”) for short. In society it is known as solitary confinement. It is 23-hour a day lockdown in a cell smaller than some closets I’ve seen, with one hour allotted to “recreation” consisting of placement in a concrete enclosed yard by oneself or, in some prisons, a cage made of steel bars. There is nothing in a SHU yard but air: no TV, no balls to bounce, no games to play, no other inmates, nothing. There is very little allowed in a SHU cell, also. Three sets of plain white underwear, one pair of green pants, one green short-sleeved button-up shirt, one green sweatshirt, ten books or magazines total, twenty pictures of the people you love, writing supplies, a bar of soap, toothbrush and toothpaste, one deodorant stick but no shampoo, and that’s about it. No clothes of your own, only prison-made. No food from commissary or packages, only three unappetizing meals a day handed to you through a narrow slot in your cell door. No phone calls, no TV, no luxury items at all. You get a set of cheap headphones to use, and you can pick between the two or three (depending on which prison you’re in) jacks in the cell wall to plug into. You can listen to a TV station in one jack, and use your imagination while trying to figure out what is going on when the music indicates drama but the dialogue doesn’t suffice to tell you anything. Or you can listen to some music, but you’re out of luck if you’re a rock-n-roll fan and find only rap is playing....

...I have lived for months where the first thing I became aware of upon waking in the morning is the malodorous funk of human feces, tinged with the acrid stench of days-old urine, where I eat my breakfast, lunch, and dinner with that same stink assaulting my senses, and where the last thought I had before falling into unconscious sleep was: “Damn, it smells like sh-t in here.”...

Had I known in 1987 that I would spend the next quarter-century in solitary confinement, I would have certainly killed myself. If I took a month to die and spent every minute of it in severe pain, it seems to me that on a balance that fate would still be far easier to endure than the last twenty-five years have been. If I try to imagine what kind of death, even a slow one, would be worse than twenty-five years in the box—and I have tried to imagine it—I can come up with nothing. Set me afire, pummel and bludgeon me, cut me to bits, stab me, shoot me, do what you will in the worst of ways, but none of it could come close to making me feel things as cumulatively horrifying as what I’ve experienced through my years in solitary. Dying couldn’t take but a short time if you or the State were to kill me; in SHU I have died a thousand internal deaths. The sum of my quarter-century’s worth of suffering has been that bad....

I have served a sentence worse than death."
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[TartLemon]

This is only proving to Judge Stephens, who ultimately will decide the sentence, Jodi is still the cocky smarty britches who has never accepted the ramification of what she's done. Jodi will never leave the prison alive.

I do not support a court mandated death penalty under any circumstances. I believe if Jodi is ever released from prison, she will kill again. This is a (criminal) learning curve for her.

 

[YESorNO]

This is a question based on total ignorance on my part but please indulge me! Is the judge an island? I mean I understand she has the resources to research prior rulings and laws and such...and I understand that the rulings have to be hers alone...but is it unethical or unconstitutional to seek advice or support from her boss or her peers? I dont necessarily think shes doing a bad job but do feel gthere should be someone laying out a 'if this happenes, this is the precedent.' I just dont understand why everything has to be researched. Why wasnt this considered a posibility? Thats where I get lost!

JSS has a boss? Who?

I think that "things have to be researched" so there won't be too many things to appeal or have the whole trial overturned- making it necessary for a new trial.
I don't know if this is the first time these things that are happening now, have been done before. Better to be safe than sorry here, IMO.

 

[Wagara]

JSS has a boss? Who?

I think that "things have to be researched" so there won't be too many things to appeal or have the whole trial overturned- making it necessary for a new trial.
I don't know if this is the first time these things that are happening now, have been done before. Better to be safe than sorry here, IMO.

I think everyone has a boss...even judges. Maybe not an individual but unless you own your own company you answer to someone...even a judge. I do understand that all has to be researched but find it hard to believe that all of this coming from ja is groundbreaking and doesnt have precedent. She knows she has a problem with ja and nurmi...why not be ready?. Jmo and all that.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Anyone read this article that rose posted? Interesting.

I was wondering if missy:jail: will have the same conditions in prison that this guy does (except, of course there won't be men yelling and such- like
in this prison). Would this be conditions only if she gets DP, I wonder, while she waits for death by injection?

Some excerpts that sound good: :facepalm:

----

"The following essay is by William Blake, who has been held in solitary confinement for nearly 26 years. Currently he is in administrative segregation at Elmira Correctional Facility, a maximum security facility located in south central New York State. In 1987, Blake, then 23 and in county court on a drug charge, murdered one deputy and wounded another in a failed escape attempt. He was sentenced to 77 years to life....
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'...Prisoners call it The Box. Prison authorities have euphemistically dubbed it the Special Housing Unit, or SHU (pronounced “shoe&#8221 for short. In society it is known as solitary confinement. It is 23-hour a day lockdown in a cell smaller than some closets I’ve seen, with one hour allotted to “recreation” consisting of placement in a concrete enclosed yard by oneself or, in some prisons, a cage made of steel bars. There is nothing in a SHU yard but air: no TV, no balls to bounce, no games to play, no other inmates, nothing. There is very little allowed in a SHU cell, also. Three sets of plain white underwear, one pair of green pants, one green short-sleeved button-up shirt, one green sweatshirt, ten books or magazines total, twenty pictures of the people you love, writing supplies, a bar of soap, toothbrush and toothpaste, one deodorant stick but no shampoo, and that’s about it. No clothes of your own, only prison-made. No food from commissary or packages, only three unappetizing meals a day handed to you through a narrow slot in your cell door. No phone calls, no TV, no luxury items at all. You get a set of cheap headphones to use, and you can pick between the two or three (depending on which prison you’re in) jacks in the cell wall to plug into. You can listen to a TV station in one jack, and use your imagination while trying to figure out what is going on when the music indicates drama but the dialogue doesn’t suffice to tell you anything. Or you can listen to some music, but you’re out of luck if you’re a rock-n-roll fan and find only rap is playing....

...I have lived for months where the first thing I became aware of upon waking in the morning is the malodorous funk of human feces, tinged with the acrid stench of days-old urine, where I eat my breakfast, lunch, and dinner with that same stink assaulting my senses, and where the last thought I had before falling into unconscious sleep was: “Damn, it smells like sh-t in here.”...

Had I known in 1987 that I would spend the next quarter-century in solitary confinement, I would have certainly killed myself. If I took a month to die and spent every minute of it in severe pain, it seems to me that on a balance that fate would still be far easier to endure than the last twenty-five years have been. If I try to imagine what kind of death, even a slow one, would be worse than twenty-five years in the box—and I have tried to imagine it—I can come up with nothing. Set me afire, pummel and bludgeon me, cut me to bits, stab me, shoot me, do what you will in the worst of ways, but none of it could come close to making me feel things as cumulatively horrifying as what I’ve experienced through my years in solitary. Dying couldn’t take but a short time if you or the State were to kill me; in SHU I have died a thousand internal deaths. The sum of my quarter-century’s worth of suffering has been that bad....

I have served a sentence worse than death."
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Makes you smile doesn't it? she was so jealous of Travis's.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I think everyone has a boss...even judges. Maybe not an individual but unless you own your own company you answer to someone...even a judge. I do understand that all has to be researched but find it hard to believe that all of this coming from ja is groundbreaking and doesnt have precedent. She knows she has a problem with ja and nurmi...why not be ready?. Jmo and all that.

I'm not sure, but this is her first death penalty case. I know they have research clerks to check for case law and decisions. Maybe it's an Appellate Judge? since their higher up and rule on lower court rulings?or a Law Professor?

 

[Wagara]

I'm not sure, but this is her first death penalty case. I know they have research clerks to check for case law and decisions. Maybe it's an Appellate Judge? since their higher up and rule on lower court rulings?or a Law Professor?

That makes sense. Its just hard for me to believe that someone isnt calling her and at least saying 'girl you got a mess on your hands!'

 

[Nore]

Hi everyone. Been reading here throughout the day. Wow. Could it be this is a tactic of both JA and Nurmi to try and get a delay. I know Nurmi has tried before to get off the case but I don't get this. If he leaves she won't represent herself. Who will? Just Wilmont or would someone else have to be brought in? And yes, I do believe she wants to try and torment the witnesses and try to get something on Flores. Good luck with that one.


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Hi Ricki, I was reading abut this on my JM. FB. page. I wrote almost the same as you have! She is trying to play everyone for a moron and get more time.
I hope the Judge refuses her on more time! she said No More Time last month. I for one am holding her to that. If I lived in AZ. I would have a petition going to stop this Chit in the bud. They (Law) should pass on the death and give her life without parole!! I am so sick of her!! She (Jodi) will string this out another year. WATCH!! that is if they give in to her. She knew of these people during the trial. If Nurmi wouldn't call them she should have reported it to the Judge.. Oh I am soooooo mad! Thank you Sweetie for letting an old lady vent.xox.

 

[Nore]

I can't believe JSS will allow any further delays. I predict Nurmi will not be allowed to quit. I think JSS should just get on with the trial date. Let CMJA pay for appeals, this is CMJA last chance on the dime of Arizona taxpayers. Too much state revenue spent on this trial, need to move on. Just send her to Perryville already.

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In Ohio there is no guarntee on will get an appeal. Goes before a panel and they can refuse. They already refused both Cutts and Hough they were denied. I dont see anyony granting her an appeal for at least 50 years, which would make her about 85yrs.. I'm not worried about appeals. IMO.

 

[katiecoolady]

Hi KCL,

The nicest gift I could receive is a post from you telling us about John's audition. I have a good feeling about it because it is something that will come from his heart. He needs this. If he gets word that he is in, that will be reason to celebrate! It is a wonderful thing when something good happens for those who deserve it. During the last trial, I would stay up late hoping to read your updates from the day and I remember all your posts about Alfonse and all you were going through, especially when he was hospitalized. It really touched my heart because I don't even know you but I could feel your love for him. As for the trial, you brought it home to us. Thank you for that.

I have been to two innocents several times just to catch up. Sometimes I have gone through things also and been really busy but I appreciate your style of writing so it is like a journey with you. . I like the way you always think of ways to give back to others. That must be a gift you were born with. So take care and please do let me know how it turns out for John. And I will definitely pray for him.

Maybe you will have time and feel like posting your thoughts about the trial in the future. Maybe when it is all wrapped up, whenever that is. I would like to read your thoughts. Whether she gets LWOP or DP, I would just like to see the end of her having any communication to the outside world. Is that too much to ask? Like Travis' brother said, he wants the murderer to go away and never see her face again. Amen. (In the meantime, I am sure I will hang around and be posting here because I like seeing JM in action and I would like to see him stop her in her tracks.).

Take care KCL! :seeya::seeya:

Hi Curious! I got your note and came here looking for the BIG ANNOUNCEMENT but can't find it...but yes indeed my dear brother DID get in to this prestigious chorus and I feel like I've been walking on air for the last 24 hours. I'm going to be a seriously twisted Stage Sister..watch out! lol

If anyone wants to read how it went down it's on my blog:

http://twoinnocents.wordpress.com/2014/08/13/baritone/

It's all just so exciting...thanks so much for praying for him! And now I owe you a prize and I know exactly what it's gonna be so please you need to send me your mailing address. You will be very surprised I think...and pleased! (it's trial related).

As far as Jodi's shenanigans today...more stall stall stalling. She will drag and twist this thing as long as she can and sadly the State of AZ will help her every step of the way.

Blech.

 

[Kensie]

Congrats to your brother KCL. He will do great!

Read your blog and I felt your excitement and pride.

 

[katiecoolady]

thank you Kensie! It's like witnessing a bonafide miracle!

 

[katiecoolady]

I got to thinking today about this trial and realized, in the state of AZ, murderers are seriously afforded more benefits in health care of all kinds, legal representation, media coverage (attention) than any disadvantaged population. How many battered women are given free legal services and protection by the police? How many are murdered before they receive any services? I know first hand how the mentally ill are prioritized in terms of services (believe me we've spent thousands in legal services alone just trying to get my brother the basics of care), and don't get me started on the homeless. Death row murderers whether they ever make it there or not receive the best of all support by our TAX PAYER MONEY.

I feel like I need to speak up about this somehow, some way, some day. But for now I'm going to ride the wave of enjoying my life.
This travesty needs some exposure though I do believe. It's ridiculous.

 

[Kensie]

Good post KCL. Sometimes I wonder if being a law abiding hard working person is worth it. In prison you have food, shelter, medical care and can earn degrees at someone else's expense.

KCL, ride the wave of enjoyment!!!