Skyline Groundskeeper says he saw no white truck -Timeline Clarified

[Cher352]

Even without the GK's input I found it hard to believe TH's truck would be parked out there on the access road. Why park at one of the farthest points away from the school if you were trying to sneak someone out. The farther away she was the more chance of being seen...IMO.

 

[liz b.]

He could have, but he didn't. There's also a steep slope with long grass - it's not flat and open. Especially if she was in the position closer to the main road, it's a pretty poor vantage point.

Or maybe she just wasn't there ?

All JMO

 

[Jack]

Given the interest in the grounds-keeper's original timeline, I thought this deserved its own thread.

Link: http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html

That story is a prime example of some really really bad reporting. I had to check to make sure I wasn't reading a blog rather than a newspaper.

I'm not buying it either. That road isn't that long and sitting atop a mower you can see a long way. Heck when I'm mowing my back yard I can tell you who is parked two blocks away.

First they disregard what the kid said because it doesn't fit their theory, now they're trying to discount what this man says because it doesn't fit their theory.

 

[pufnstuf]

My children's school has/had video surveillance cameras, so we didn't have to worry too much.Strangers could easily see the cameras at the front,side and rear of the school. Something we can only wish that Skyline Elementary had....

All JMO

If Skyline had had cameras, Terri would have plotted another place for this to go down. Cameras wouldn't have saved Kyron. It just wouldn't have happened at Skyline.

ETA: IMO.

 

[pufnstuf]

That story is a prime example of some really really bad reporting. I had to check to make sure I wasn't reading a blog rather than a newspaper.

I'm not buying it either. That road isn't that long and sitting atop a mower you can see a long way. Heck when I'm mowing my back yard I can tell you who is parked two blocks away.

First they disregard what the kid said because it doesn't fit their theory, now they're trying to discount what this man says because it doesn't fit their theory.

If you haven't seen gwenabob's photos, you really need to see them. I would guess that the terrain in your neighborhood isn't much like the terrain around Skyline.

I have a large field on the front side of my property. When I'm on the tractor and cutting the field, someone can drive right up on the driveway within 50 feet of me and chances are I might not see them. This has happened more than once. Why? Because the tractor is loud, and because I'm concentrating on what I'm cutting--not the goings-on around me so much.

Simply logistics tell us that Stensen's back would have been toward the driveway half of the time he was cutting the grass. He had no reason to be watching the access road, and he may have parked in a way to block his view.

At any rate, from the article linked in your post:

Stensen told investigators that he left Skyline School as late as 8:45 a.m. or 9 a.m., which means he could have missed seeing the Horman truck being in the two spots investigators are interested in, especially since he spent his time and attention at the school mowing the soccer field.

Investigators say that puts him on the gravel road outside of the critical half-hour window they want to know about since they have witnesses who saw someone in or around the Hormans’ truck during that time.

Still, authorities said it was helpful to have spoken to Stensen in depth.

I'm not knocking Stensen, but his timeline is loose and doesn't exclude Terri parking on that drive.

 

[liz b.]

If Skyline had had cameras, Terri would have plotted another place for this to go down. Cameras wouldn't have saved Kyron. It just wouldn't have happened at Skyline.

ETA: IMO.

I respect your opinion.I just don't share it...
All JMO

 

[CarmelEyesD]

I was under the impression that a grand jury was to gather and acquire information, not that they already had it?

 

[Karen Anne RN]

What if she did not drive the truck that day - and they are trying to get witnesses to come forward and say "I did not see that truck parked in that spot at the school that day" and "I saw a red sports car parked in that spot at Freddy's that day"....Maybe they want peoeple to remember that they did not see that truck in any of the places Terri says she was that day?

Could she have swapped vehicles with someone real early on that day?

Dunno what that would do for any scenarios we have in mind...it's just a thought.

It's possible. But we do know what she wasn't driving/riding in - DeeDee's vehicle. It was left at the worksite for the 3 hours that she was gone.

 

[mrsc72]

OT but Kyron's family has set up a website:

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Family-develops-website-for-Kyron-100669459.html

Website link:

http://www.bringkyronhome.org/

 

[tarmancer]

IMO FBI & local LE are going to wrap this case up like a Xmas pkg with a bow on it because they need to in case they do not find Kyron. No Kyron, air tight case is needed. Have a little faith!

 

[NancyA]

The fact is it doesn't matter WHERE she MIGHT have parked her truck the day of the SF; doesn't matter however many witnesses SAW the truck or where. Unless one or more of those witnesses SAW TH and/or an accomplice getting in it with Kyron and driving away with him, to me, it's all just meaningless NON-evidence of a crime. IMO.

 

[BeanE]

It's possible. But we do know what she wasn't driving/riding in - DeeDee's vehicle. It was left at the worksite for the 3 hours that she was gone.

I don't know that. What I know is that the information reported regarding Dede's vehicle, and her alleged absence from her worksite, comes from unnamed sources that keep changing their stories about the time she allegedly went absent from work, and the manner (abruptly left work or didn't?).

I can't believe that information unless and until it comes from... a reliable source.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

IMO FBI & local LE are going to wrap this case up like a Xmas pkg with a bow on it because they need to in case they do not find Kyron. No Kyron, air tight case is needed. Have a little faith!

That's about as much as i have - a little faith!

Welcome to websleuths tarmancer!

 

[Steely Dan]

I haven't read every post so please forgive me if this has been mentioned but IF TH did this the way some people think and the groundskeeper just happened to miss them by minutes it's gonna be very, very difficult to prove. You'd have to believe the groundskeeper just happened to miss those precious minutes. That's reasonable doubt IMO.

 

[loves2bmom]

I was under the impression that a grand jury was to gather and acquire information, not that they already had it?

It's BOTH. They would have to have some information in order to know who to call AND they learn new information by their testimonies!

 

[loves2bmom]

imo fbi & local le are going to wrap this case up like a xmas pkg with a bow on it because they need to in case they do not find kyron. No kyron, air tight case is needed. Have a little faith!

yep!!!!

 

[pdx]

I cannot for the life of me understand why, if this was a carefully planned event, that TH would park on that access road knowing that a groundskeeper was there.He could have spotted her at any time. Such a vital part of the plan : sneaking Kyron out and into the truck... It could have imploded at any second... Not believable, IMO

All JMO

The lawnmower man works for Parks, a separate city agency. It's plausible that TH would have no idea of his schedule in advance. I live across from a piece of city property; they come and mow when they can.

That story is a prime example of some really really bad reporting. I had to check to make sure I wasn't reading a blog rather than a newspaper.

I'm not buying it either. That road isn't that long and sitting atop a mower you can see a long way. Heck when I'm mowing my back yard I can tell you who is parked two blocks away.

In addition, or instead of gwenabob's good photos, all you need to do is go to a google streetview map (linked in puff's sig or mine) and you can clearly see that the playing field is on a different elevation than the access road; there is also a bend in the access road. It's entirely possible that someone on the playing field, even on an elevated mower, could not see that access road.

 

[liz b.]

The lawnmower man works for Parks, a separate city agency. It's plausible that TH would have no idea of his schedule in advance. I live across from a piece of city property; they come and mow when they can.


In addition, or instead of gwenabob's good photos, all you need to do is go to a google streetview map (linked in puff's sig or mine) and you can clearly see that the playing field is on a different elevation than the access road; there is also a bend in the access road. It's entirely possible that someone on the playing field, even on an elevated mower, could not see that access road.

"IT'S PLAUSIBLE THAT TH WOULD HAVE NO IDEA OF HIS SCHEDULE IN ADAVANCE "

I don't understand this part of your post. I never thought she would know anything about his schedule in adavance. I just don't believe she would have risked parking on that access road if she saw his truck parked there,or if she heard his mower... Hope this clarifies things....

 

[nurseratchett]

"IT'S PLAUSIBLE THAT TH WOULD HAVE NO IDEA OF HIS SCHEDULE IN ADAVANCE "

I don't understand this part of your post. I never thought she would know anything about his schedule in adavance. I just don't believe she would have risked parking on that access road if she saw his truck parked there,or if she heard his mower... Hope this clarifies things....

Except.....she may not have really "parked" there. One theory is that who ever this second person is simply pulled up there, idled briefly, picked up Kyron, and then left. So, maybe up on that road for 3 to 5 minutes at most, then gone?

 

[pdx]

"IT'S PLAUSIBLE THAT TH WOULD HAVE NO IDEA OF HIS SCHEDULE IN ADAVANCE "

I don't understand this part of your post. I never thought she would know anything about his schedule in adavance. I just don't believe she would have risked parking on that access road if she saw his truck parked there,or if she heard his mower... Hope this clarifies things....

Ah yes, I misunderstood you .. thought you were saying TH would have accommodated the lawn guy into her schedule (eww, that sounds icky, lol).


Two thoughts.. a driver would have to pull pretty far up the access road before realizing that the field was in use/being mowed. Wouldn't *that* jack you up, if you thought you were sneaking up that access road, only to find mower man there!

And, what nurseratchett just wrote.. it could have been a swoop-in, swoop out deal.

One thing I've never understood about this scenario (white truck on the access road) is the being seen from Skyline Blvd itself. I'd think a vehicle would stand out significantly there, which is the last thing someone sneaking wants. But, maybe I'm missing a piece of the picture.