Special Counsel Issues 1st Indictments

[bwt42]

These are only a few!! It has been the biggest story in the land since Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm quite aware of the story. The poster said "arrests" & defense attorneys have not been informed. I think the poster should provide the link that says this. Not rely on other posters to provide links that may or may not confirm this.

 

[kaen]

i found this on yahoo but it is from The Independent https://www.yahoo.com/news/paul-manafort-trump-former-campaign-180042219.html

"Donald Trump’s former campaign Paul Manafort has said he has not been informed of any possible criminal charges against him, after it was reported the first indictments had been filed by the team investigating Russia’s alleged meddling in the 2016 election.

Reports said a grand jury working with Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller, had approved the first charges to result from the ongoing probe that is looking at possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. The reports, which have not specified what the charges are or who they were filed against, said a suspect could be taken into custody as soon as Monday."


My words: it may mean that others have been notified but Manafort appears to be the person in the crosshairs from earlier this summer. JMHO.

 

[bluesneakers]

CNN story, updated about 45 minutes ago:

Dread, expectation hang over Washington before Mueller sweep

Who will be live with this tomorrow?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I really can't even imagine. I bet there are some midnight oil-burning attorney-client meetings happening as we speak.

Oh man, how do you go to sleep tonight if you think you might be one of those taken into custody?

 

[kaen]

I'm quite aware of the story. The poster said "arrests" & defense attorneys have not been informed. I think the poster should provide the link that says this. Not rely on other posters to provide links that may or may not confirm this.

BWT, take a look at post #53. It says what Manafort confirmed this weekend. It would make sense that the OP might have been referring to this.


"Donald Trump’s former campaign Paul Manafort has said he has not been informed of any possible criminal charges against him, after it was reported the first indictments had been filed by the team investigating Russia’s alleged meddling in the 2016 election.

Reports said a grand jury working with Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller, had approved the first charges to result from the ongoing probe that is looking at possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. The reports, which have not specified what the charges are or who they were filed against, said a suspect could be taken into custody as soon as Monday. https://www.yahoo.com/news/paul-manafort-trump-former-campaign-180042219.html

 

[bwt42]

indictments are criminal entities -- not politics.

They are issued when much much much evidence of a crime has been committed. Grand juries do not issue indictments for anything political.

It involves the FBI DOJ prosecutors defense attorneys courts jail judges plea bargains sentencing sworn testimony

These are all entities of our criminal justice system -- the center around breaking the laws of our country.

That is why this major story is in crimes in the news

this story is about crimes making front pages of our news institutions

all of us stay in TOS there will be problem i dont think

My comment referred to a poster talking about Trump.

 

[rosemadderlake]

With the raid on Manafort's home last summer, I am inclined to agree that this will be about money laundering. I think the rules and clarity about what it means to launder are fairly easy find a paper or digital trail. JMHO.

Yes, and well, and it is complicated because is it laundering with a foreign entity, a foreign adversary?

 

[katydid23]

CARIIS — looks like your predictions of money laundering/RICO violations might me spot-on!


Here's another Newsweek story from today (again, apologies for the all-caps — that's their headline style, not mine):

ROBERT MUELLER PROBE: MANAFORT 'SUSPICIOUS' WIRE TRANSFERS FOCUS OF FBI TRUMP-RUSSIA INVESTIGATION

About those wire transfers:
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"Four of the wire transfers originated with Manafort’s political consulting firm Global Endeavour, which was hired by Yanukovych to consult and lobby on his behalf. Manafort was working with the former Ukrainian president to lobby the U.S. and other Western countries to support for Ukraine’s entry into the European Union.

Tony Podesta and the Podesta Group’s involvement in Ukrainian politics is also complicating the situation. Mueller expanded the investigation to focus on Podesta and his Democratic-leaning lobbying firm with connections to Clinton, sources told NBC in an Oct. 24 report.

Manafort organized a public relations campaign for a group called European Centre for a Modern Ukraine (ECMU), which lobbied the U.S. to support Ukraine’s EU push. Podesta’s company was one of many firms that worked on the campaign.

The sources said Mueller’s investigation into Podesta, the brother of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, began as a fact-finding mission about Manafort’s role in the campaign but quickly morphed into a criminal inquiry into whether the firm violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act, known as FARA."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ting-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podesta-n812776

 

[kaen]

Yes, and well, and it is complicated because is it laundering with a foreign entity, a foreign adversary?

I think that raises the seriousness level to a defcon 4 or 5. But, the money trail, once determined via paper, money transfers, and digital trails, once found are a really nice crumb trail for investigators. Even if the trail goes cold in spots, money coming into or going out of someone's custody can be found with good forensic accountants, etc.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

From the LA Times story (linked below):

One of two former top strategists for the Trump campaign is "likely" to face indictment as early as Monday, a senior Democrat said Sunday, previewing what would be the first criminal charges in the intensifying probe led by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III into current and former members of President Trump's inner orbit.

Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank), ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, said a federal judge could unseal an indictment against either Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager, or Michael Flynn, who briefly served as Trump's national security advisor in the White House.

What We Do and Don’t Know About Mueller’s Impending Indictment
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...t-know-about-muellers-looming-indictment.html

Here’s who could receive Mueller’s indictment
https://www.salon.com/2017/10/28/heres-who-could-receive-muellers-indictment/

Indictment expected from Mueller's probe into Trump campaign aides
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-grand-jury-20171029-story.html

Special counsel's Russia probe entering new phase with first charges
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...w-phase-with-first-charges-idUSKBN1CY0WU?il=0

Robert Mueller's First Charges
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/robert-mueller-sealed-indictment/544292/

 

[kaen]

About those wire transfers:
'
"Four of the wire transfers originated with Manafort’s political consulting firm Global Endeavour, which was hired by Yanukovych to consult and lobby on his behalf. Manafort was working with the former Ukrainian president to lobby the U.S. and other Western countries to support for Ukraine’s entry into the European Union.

Tony Podesta and the Podesta Group’s involvement in Ukrainian politics is also complicating the situation. Mueller expanded the investigation to focus on Podesta and his Democratic-leaning lobbying firm with connections to Clinton, sources told NBC in an Oct. 24 report.

Manafort organized a public relations campaign for a group called European Centre for a Modern Ukraine (ECMU), which lobbied the U.S. to support Ukraine’s EU push. Podesta’s company was one of many firms that worked on the campaign.

The sources said Mueller’s investigation into Podesta, the brother of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, began as a fact-finding mission about Manafort’s role in the campaign but quickly morphed into a criminal inquiry into whether the firm violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act, known as FARA."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ting-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podesta-n812776

I hope that anyone who has laundered money goes to jail.

I am eager to hear who has been indicted and for what. My bet is on the money laundering but I could be wrong. JMHO.

 

[kaen]

Yes, exactly. It does affect everyone regardless of political affiliation. Goodness, I'm even nervous to guess whom will be indicted or why. Seems like Mueller's investigated just about everyone — maybe even Kevin Bacon. :waitasec:

I met Kevin Bacon once. I hope that this is not a 6 degrees of separation fromKB. If an indictment can be had from a 1 degree of separation, I might be wearing some bracelets whilst doing a side-eye perp walk......

 

[CARIIS]

Yes, and well, and it is complicated because is it laundering with a foreign entity, a foreign adversary?

but ya know what was interesting those FinanCed Treasury folks are apparently super duper at tracking down money all of the globe

they mean business and it was not a particularily bright group -- the crimes folks committed were not really thought out imo

like mobsters I think know how to beat the criminal system moreso than white collar criminals!

And I agree it is easier to follow big criminal money transfers and stuff

i think white collar criminals feel more protected casue they have criminal defense attorneys on their payroll to cover there crimes

and the criminal justice system will probably plea kinder than a disenfranchises AA that has a a free lawyer

you do the crime you pay the time !!

They probably will get cushy criminal prisons tho

moo

 

[katydid23]

I think that raises the seriousness level to a defcon 4 or 5. But, the money trail, once determined via paper, money transfers, and digital trails, once found are a really nice crumb trail for investigators. Even if the trail goes cold in spots, money coming into or going out of someone's custody can be found with good forensic accountants, etc.

The wire transfers that Manafort made, and that Mueller is said to be investigating, happened 5 years before Trump's election. And Manafort was more involved with the Democrats at the time, most notably, the Podesta Group.

So I don't think following that money trail will lead them to Trump. I think it leads back to the same people who bank rolled the dossier...:wink:



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ting-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podesta-n812776


NEWS
OCT 24 2017,
Mueller Now Investigating Democratic Lobbyist Tony Podesta

The probe of Podesta and his Democratic-leaning lobbying firm grew out of Mueller's inquiry into the finances of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, according to the sources. As special counsel, Mueller has been tasked with investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Manafort had organized a public relations campaign for a non-profit called the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine (ECMU). Podesta's company was one of many firms that worked on the campaign, which promoted Ukraine's image in the West.

The sources said the investigation into Podesta and his company began as more of a fact-finding mission about the ECMU and Manafort's role in the campaign, but has now morphed into a criminal inquiry into whether the firm violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act, known as FARA.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Excellent question. Hopefully all the major broadcast networks, along with cable news networks. Maybe pool. I did some looking around, but can't find an answer to your question.

Who will be live with this tomorrow?

 

[bluesneakers]

From the LA Times story (linked below):

One of two former top strategists for the Trump campaign is "likely" to face indictment as early as Monday, a senior Democrat said Sunday, previewing what would be the first criminal charges in the intensifying probe led by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III into current and former members of President Trump's inner orbit.

Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank), ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, said a federal judge could unseal an indictment against either Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager, or Michael Flynn, who briefly served as Trump's national security advisor in the White House.

Holy crap. Eek is right.

 

[kaen]

The wire transfers that Manafort made, and that Mueller is said to be investigating, happened 5 years before Trump's election. And Manafort was more involved with the Democrats at the time, most notably, the Podesta Group.

So I don't think following that money trail will lead them to Trump. I think it leads back to the same people who bank rolled the dossier...:wink:



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ting-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podesta-n812776


NEWS
OCT 24 2017,
Mueller Now Investigating Democratic Lobbyist Tony Podesta

The probe of Podesta and his Democratic-leaning lobbying firm grew out of Mueller's inquiry into the finances of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, according to the sources. As special counsel, Mueller has been tasked with investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Manafort had organized a public relations campaign for a non-profit called the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine (ECMU). Podesta's company was one of many firms that worked on the campaign, which promoted Ukraine's image in the West.

The sources said the investigation into Podesta and his company began as more of a fact-finding mission about the ECMU and Manafort's role in the campaign, but has now morphed into a criminal inquiry into whether the firm violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act, known as FARA.

I don't know if anyone is thinking that these indictments will be Russia related. I am not clear that any of the MSM is saying it is election related, either. I believe that if it is Manafort, it will be for money irregularities from long ago. He bought lots of apartments and other things with what some have said was money he trying to launder.

 

[Boodles]

I cannot wait for tomorrow and hope it does yield arrests (vs waiting additional days, weeks, etc.). It will be interesting to see whether it’s a single or multiple indictments at this point, and then what else happens further down the road.

And I hope those involved in criminal and/or treasonous activities aren’t sleeping a wink. I have zero sympathy for whoever’s complicit.

 

[bluesneakers]

Excellent question. Hopefully all the major broadcast networks, along with cable news networks. Maybe pool. I did some looking around, but can't find an answer to your question.

Thanks. I don't have cable so I watch online and it's easier if I know what to pull up than hunt around.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Thanks. I don't have cable so I watch online and it's easier if I know what to pull up than hunt around.

I'll be an early bird with CNN...