State v Bradley Cooper 03/31/11

[lib's mom]

His face was plastered all over the news after July 12th. I would think it be pretty difficult to walk into a jewelery store and get it repaired without somehow LE not finding out about (they knew about the necklace). I wonder during those 3 months did they have any monitoring (undercover) going on of BC.

That's true. But his mother's face wasn't all the news and she was here. Nor were his friends plastered all over the news.

Of course, I have no idea if this happened. Just typing outloud.

 

[lib's mom]

Perhaps the chain broke? It would be a simple matter to replace a fine, gold chain with another fine gold chain. Wouldn't need the assistance of a jeweler at all, just slide the pendant on a new chain.

That's true, too.

 

[RaleighNC]

Random thoughts on finances:

1. Everyone is wondering why she wanted "her" money and how she didn't think that the money she earned was "hers". The assumption here is that BC and NC were ANY sort of a team trying to dig themselves out of debt (probably because that's how you look at your own marriage) they WERE NOT a team - he made it clear that HIS money was his (removing her access) and they were looking to separate. The "allowance" was his decision, the accounts were HIS and she had little that was HERS. Since he was looking at the entire Cisco pay as "his" - why wouldn't she look at painting money as HERS? This was not an effort to live within their means, dig out of debt or control spending. This was pre-separation division of finances. And she wanted SOME control over her own destiny.

2. She does deserve some of the money he's making. And she's rightly and legally entitled to this via any separation or divorce. She went with him, supported him (at least early on) had his kids, and all the stuff that allowed a husband and father to pursue his CCIE and MBA without having to worry about changing diapers or running kids to the Dr's office. That kind of freedom that some men have IS worth something - as it allows them to focus on their careers.

And honestly - even if she was mean, spiteful, greedy (insert unflattering descriptor here) it's ok that she's dead? Or - we think Brad would have had a right to kill her? Or what - this points to other suspects? (not really - the more that folks disparage Nancy, the more it looks like they are saying they think BC did it and they don't BLAME HIM!)

Lastly - is there any information or statistics on spousal murder that would suggest how many spouses are murdered where there have been ZERO reports of physical domestic violence prior to the murder? I think this had to be quite premeditated - because as emotional as their marriage was a the end - the hating, the fighting, etc - if he had self control issues - wouldn't he have lost it prior to this and hit her? I see this as more of a cold / calculating deal than of a "lost it" scenario.

 

[kellyroll]

He has one brother. His parents have been in the courtroom they are sitting behind him. I'm not sure about his brother.

His brother has been down at least once since Nancy died, but I have not seen him in the courtroom.

 

[gracielee]

He could of, but perhaps it had to be the same chain (or relatively close). I wonder if any of her friends would know the chain was different?

Couldn't tell for sure, looked like a fine, simple box pendant chain. I personally probably wouldn't notice if one of my pendant chains had been replaced with the same type chain. Now, if say a figaro chain was replaced by a box chain, or a fine chain was replaced by a thicker chain, I'd notice. But not a simple switch out unless the clasp was different.

 

[SleuthinNC]

That's the thing though, *they* were over-spending. I'd like to hear if Brad curtailed any of his Iron Man activities. The school the children attended wasn't just Nancy's doing, and the gym was used by both of them. I'd imagine a *family* membership. Brad said he worked out there a couple hours a day for his Iron Man stuff. I can see both parts of a couple being on a budget, but not just one part of the couple. Brad was still in training for his Iron Man, that was testifed to in the deposition. Not *after* Nancy was killed, but before. Was Brad still spending money of flights to get to and from Iron Man? Was he still spending money at lodging at such events? How much did Brad spend to go to France for 10 days the previous year? How much did Brad spend to go to, was it Arizona, for the Ironman I saw photos of posted online? All questions I'd like to know before blaming all the spending on Nancy. JMO again.

Testimonies actually stated he had stopped training. In the deposition their finances were shown. Do you realize how much of the take home pay after paying mortgage and bills was left over? I realize we are not supposed to believe anything Brad says but his indication was that it was 80% of what was left. With his income that sounds about right. How much more was she supposed to get? They both needed to tighten the pocketbook. My point is the "allowance" is being used to point to him being a control freak and none of her friends have testified to knowing they were having serious financial problems.

 

[Cheyenne130]

His brother has been down at least once since Nancy died, but I have not seen him in the courtroom.

Kurtz began to explain in his opening why the brother wouldn't be there and prosecution objected. I think that was the first time the judge chastised Kurtz and didn't allow him to continue that explanation.

 

[gracielee]

His face was plastered all over the news after July 12th. I would think it be pretty difficult to walk into a jewelery store and get it repaired without somehow LE not finding out about (they knew about the necklace). I wonder during those 3 months did they have any monitoring (undercover) going on of BC.

Simple chain exchange, just a trip to any jewelers to purchase a new chain. Brad's mother could have done that. She wasn't on the news. Chain jewelry store, young employees, nobody would have noticed someone purchasing a pendant chain IMO.

 

[NCEast]

Sounds a lot like Snotty Peterson to me, anyway. Remember, he fixed Christmas Dinner the day after Laci 'went missing', for his family and he invited a neighbor woman over to eat with them. What a guy, that snotty, always thinking of others.....:maddening:

Yes, I had forgotten about that. Brad's just awful, but I think S. Peterson has him beat. I just can't imagine murdering your pregnant wife no matter what.

 

[ncsu95]

Then *she* had just as much right to enough money for herself and the girls to get a one bedroom apartment IMO.

How exactly are those 2 things related?

 

[ncsu95]

So two people have corroborated NC never took off necklace.

I don't think anyone can say with 100% certainty that she NEVER took off the necklace. That's an absurd assumption on there part.

 

[gracielee]

Testimonies actually stated he had stopped training. .

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I don't recall that, could you point me somewhere cause I would like to review it. I thought, ( could be wrong ), but I thought some mention, perhaps at the barbeque, was made of Brad's current at the time, Iron man upcoming competition???

 

[gracielee]

How exactly are those 2 things related?

Sorry, you'll have to refresh my memory, I've forgotten which 2 things you are referring to?

 

[kellyroll]

Wow, this witness has turned on the 'tude.

 

[cygnusx1]

Just checking in. Do we have smoking gun yet?

 

[gracielee]

The spending was on both parties, anyone who denies that isn't being realistic.

I'd like to hear more about the 24000(?) balance that was rang up on a cc one year. Was that just her card or both of theirs?

In the Oct. 2 deposition, it was mentioned that there were regular bills that were included in Nancy's portion of the cc statement. IIRC, her cell phone, the Time Warner bill for the household, and a couple other things, sorry, can't remember for sure which ones other than those two stuck in my mind.

 

[sariebell]

HP's appearance and mannerisms remind me of Betty Draper (January Jones).

 

[jmflu]

Random thoughts on finances:

1. Everyone is wondering why she wanted "her" money and how she didn't think that the money she earned was "hers". The assumption here is that BC and NC were ANY sort of a team trying to dig themselves out of debt (probably because that's how you look at your own marriage) they WERE NOT a team - he made it clear that HIS money was his (removing her access) and they were looking to separate. The "allowance" was his decision, the accounts were HIS and she had little that was HERS. Since he was looking at the entire Cisco pay as "his" - why wouldn't she look at painting money as HERS? This was not an effort to live within their means, dig out of debt or control spending. This was pre-separation division of finances. And she wanted SOME control over her own destiny.

2. She does deserve some of the money he's making. And she's rightly and legally entitled to this via any separation or divorce. She went with him, supported him (at least early on) had his kids, and all the stuff that allowed a husband and father to pursue his CCIE and MBA without having to worry about changing diapers or running kids to the Dr's office. That kind of freedom that some men have IS worth something - as it allows them to focus on their careers.

And honestly - even if she was mean, spiteful, greedy (insert unflattering descriptor here) it's ok that she's dead? Or - we think Brad would have had a right to kill her? Or what - this points to other suspects? (not really - the more that folks disparage Nancy, the more it looks like they are saying they think BC did it and they don't BLAME HIM!)

Lastly - is there any information or statistics on spousal murder that would suggest how many spouses are murdered where there have been ZERO reports of physical domestic violence prior to the murder? I think this had to be quite premeditated - because as emotional as their marriage was a the end - the hating, the fighting, etc - if he had self control issues - wouldn't he have lost it prior to this and hit her? I see this as more of a cold / calculating deal than of a "lost it" scenario.

An interesting post and I thank you.

 

[gracielee]

Yes, I had forgotten about that. Brad's just awful, but I think S. Peterson has him beat. I just can't imagine murdering your pregnant wife no matter what.

That's why I'd asked for the depostions of Donna and Garry Rentz. I would like to know exactly what was said about Brad's mother and her treatment of Nancy. I've heard many rumors floating, which I haven't repeated here because they are rumors. I do recall Jackie Peterson's relationship with her DIL, Laci. If what's being floated around is true concerning Brad's mom, I reserve the right to compare the two husbands as to who beats whom. :waitasec:

 

[jmflu]

I don't think anyone can say with 100% certainty that she NEVER took off the necklace. That's an absurd assumption on there part.

Nancy's family said she never took it off during the vacation they spent together just before her murder. They said she showered, slept, swam in it. And I'm just guessing, as a habitual runner, she probably ran during her vacation. I think if she had a habit of taking off her necklace when she ran, people would be testifying that she "only took it off when she ran."

But of course, you're right, she probably took it off just to go running that fateful morning.

Funny how she put it in Brad's drawer instead of her own...