Suspicious behavior of Haleigh Cummings father

[ynotdivein]

dodie, Tinsel, LEW and Beatrice, I think you are each working on and contributing valuable pieces to one corner of this whole puzzle--the RC/MC codependent dysfunction section:

THANK YOU for that post. In the beginning, I noticed that Misty's 'inconsistencies' all revolved around Ron's & Teresa's stories-& it dawned on me that she was changing her details to match theirs. Never have I understood why LE thinks Misty is the weak link. She was not & still is not your typical 17-18 tear old girl. She's as hard as nails. Now, Ron on the other hand, is a sniveling mama's boy. Go after him.

RBBM. IMO, based on what we know of her past, Misty needs a father figure and a stable family like nobody's business. RC & co. fit the bill and while she was "with" them, she probably felt like she belonged in a way that maybe she hadn't experienced for any length of time before. I think she's harder than any 17 year old should ever have cause to be, but I also think that she would change her story to match theirs, in order to prove her loyalty and be kept 'in the family' so to speak.

Drugs make people do sick things and cling to people in creepy ways.

Respectfully snipped for focus. ITA with you here. Specifically, they make already-needy people find what they think they need, rather than going through the hard internal work required to identify and satisfy their REAL needs in a healthy way. For RC, they perhaps satisfied a need to feel powerful, which the presence of a seemingly-submissive (if only because doped-to-the-gills) girl-wife would also enhance. For MC, who is clearly capable of surviving on her own 'on the streets,' they provide an excuse to let go and not need to try to control everything. The presence of an older, "strong" male who found her attractive would enhance this. What a relief, not to have to hustle. Or at least to leave parts of the hustling to your partner?

Speaking of the tattoo, if he requested and paid for her to get it, it is suspicious, the tat with his name on her back. He is making sure that "she will always have his back".

Also RSFF. I read it as "he will always have her back." And, subconsciously, he is always right there behind her, making sure she toes the line.

I agree with your opinion.
MC looks very defiant in the backyard video
and Ron looks very reluctant in the wedding video.

They are both thriving on control.

RBBM. Indeed they are. Having control, resenting control (and by extension responsibility), throwing control out the window, demonstrating control. Whether it's by brandishing a gun, or popping pills, or being alluring to an older man, or keeping your women in line... Control is scary. Drug users like to show how much control they have, up to and including when and how they choose to use/lose control. Again, IMOO, RC and MC are engaged in a very predictable codependent dance. Whatever happened to HaLeigh might have thrown them off their steps slightly, but the dance remains the same...

 

[lonetraveler]

I guess I am stuck on what is being reported and reading between the lines.
Those records confirming multiple calls between Croslin and the brother the night Haleigh disappears. It later states that no one could get a hold of her, but how is that possible if the confirmed calls were between Croslin and the brother.:waitasec: Maybe I am going a little nuts sorry didn't mean to confuse anyone..I did add the link so that the whole transcript could be read. Just added the snippet of what caught my attention. Again, sorry for the confusion. :blowkiss:

The calls could have been confirmed because the calls went straight to Misty's voice mail and would have been counted as a call made and received.

 

[LoveEndsWar]

dodie, Tinsel, LEW and Beatrice, I think you are each working on and contributing valuable pieces to one corner of this whole puzzle--the RC/MC codependent dysfunction section:



RBBM. IMO, based on what we know of her past, Misty needs a father figure and a stable family like nobody's business. RC & co. fit the bill and while she was "with" them, she probably felt like she belonged in a way that maybe she hadn't experienced for any length of time before. I think she's harder than any 17 year old should ever have cause to be, but I also think that she would change her story to match theirs, in order to prove her loyalty and be kept 'in the family' so to speak.



Respectfully snipped for focus. ITA with you here. Specifically, they make already-needy people find what they think they need, rather than going through the hard internal work required to identify and satisfy their REAL needs in a healthy way. For RC, they perhaps satisfied a need to feel powerful, which the presence of a seemingly-submissive (if only because doped-to-the-gills) girl-wife would also enhance. For MC, who is clearly capable of surviving on her own 'on the streets,' they provide an excuse to let go and not need to try to control everything. The presence of an older, "strong" male who found her attractive would enhance this. What a relief, not to have to hustle. Or at least to leave parts of the hustling to your partner?



Also RSFF. I read it as "he will always have her back." And, subconsciously, he is always right there behind her, making sure she toes the line.



RBBM. Indeed they are. Having control, resenting control (and by extension responsibility), throwing control out the window, demonstrating control. Whether it's by brandishing a gun, or popping pills, or being alluring to an older man, or keeping your women in line... Control is scary. Drug users like to show how much control they have, up to and including when and how they choose to use control. Again, IMOO, RC and MC are engaged in a very predictable codependent dance. Whatever happened to HaLeigh might have thrown them off their steps slightly, but the dance remains the same...

BBM That makes just as much sense. -Mz Nancy thats is all she knows ya know-...:waitasec:

 

[cluciano63]

i had appointment with my pain doctor today and was cursing RC, MC etc...as i was asking him why i was not getting much relief from the new meds i have been on for past several months and he told me that he had to change them to something else the pills i was taking that had oxy in them (which worked for me) are so popular with the druggies that my insurance company won't cover them anymore. So I am getting something with much less pain relief ingredient and i can tell. this stinks

 

[ynotdivein]

BBM That makes just as much sense. -Mz Nancy thats is all she knows ya know-...:waitasec:

Having someone else's name indelibly tattooed into your flesh is a significant decision. And yes, all she knows how to be, and who to be...

Guess part of me just wishes someone caught MC up back when she was maybe HaLeigh's age and told her--and showed her--she is worthwhile and precious. Doesn't change what I think of this case & her involvement but damn such a sad outcome.

ETA: Oooops, steering careening vehicle back toward thread topic: suspicious behavior of HaLeigh's father...

IMO, covering your mic with your hand and directing your gf to "look at the camera" during a nationally televised interview ranks up there in the Suspicious Behavior category... (apologetic side glance at mods...)

 

[ilovemew]

Having someone else's name indelibly tattooed into your flesh is a significant decision. And yes, all she knows how to be, and who to be...

Guess part of me just wishes someone caught MC up back when she was maybe HaLeigh's age and told her--and showed her--she is worthwhile and precious. Doesn't change what I think of this case & her involvement but damn such a sad outcome.

ETA: Oooops, steering careening vehicle back toward thread topic: suspicious behavior of HaLeigh's father...

IMO, covering your mic with your hand and directing your gf to "look at the camera" during a nationally televised interview ranks up there in the Suspicious Behavior category... (apologetic side glance at mods...)

I noticed though that Misty says back to him I AM! She says it forcefully and stubbornly and that surprised me. My apologies to the mods too. I just wanted to get your opinion on this.

 

[ynotdivein]

I noticed though that Misty says back to him I AM! She says it forcefully and stubbornly and that surprised me. My apologies to the mods too. I just wanted to get your opinion on this.

Totally MOO! (oh mods you are so patient with us and thank you for that), she's clearly zonked out of her mind. I took that "I AM" as seriously as I would take someone saying "i am FINE to drive" after a bunch of shots at a bar--I mean, look at her in that vid. She's not connecting. I don't know what she is on but she's putting it all in RC's lap to take care of right there. On national television no less. (Codependent subtext: "I am bowing out, this is your deal baby, cover for me will ya while I fade into the background thanx... I AM looking at the camera dammit!")

Sad sad sad...

 

[lauriej]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGcV...6B02F7187&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5

..in this interview-----just days after haleigh goes missing-----he sure has lost the "bravado" --"i'll kill whoever took her..!..." talk that he was spouting on the 911 call.

..and WHO says , they got home "around 3:25 - 3:27 ?"

.."around" , would indicate-----around quarter after 3 - 3 thirty.....

..and no, it's not b/c he was staring at his cell phone at the time----IF SO ---he would say, either 3:25, or 3:26, or3:27..

..my kids have cell phones, ON their person at all times! and they tell me, " somewhere between 5 and 5:30 i guess"....( IF i ask a time specific question).( b/c they have nothing to hide when i ask-------and so are not PREPARED to give an answer.)

..WHY would someone answer-----" i got home between 3:25 - 3:27...??

..THAT is a very narrow time frame for someone who-----stopped on the way home for beer and cigarettes? or------if MC is correct and she called RC BEFORE calling 911-----and then RC says " MC was standing at the front door-----i wondered WHY she was up ??"

..good lord-----with all of the above possibilities-----he can narrow the time he arrived home------within 2 minutes ?

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGcV...6B02F7187&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5

..in this interview-----just days after haleigh goes missing-----he sure has lost the "bravado" --"i'll kill whoever took her..!..." talk that he was spouting on the 911 call.

..and WHO says , they got home "around 3:25 - 3:27 ?"

.."around" , would indicate-----around quarter after 3 - 3 thirty.....

..and no, it's not b/c he was staring at his cell phone at the time----IF SO ---he would say, either 3:25, or 3:26, or3:27..

..my kids have cell phones, ON their person at all times! and they tell me, " somewhere between 5 and 5:30 i guess"....( IF i ask a time specific question).( b/c they have nothing to hide when i ask-------and so are not PREPARED to give an answer.)

..WHY would someone answer-----" i got home between 3:25 - 3:27...??

..THAT is a very narrow time frame for someone who-----stopped on the way home for beer and cigarettes? or------if MC is correct and she called RC BEFORE calling 911-----and then RC says " MC was standing at the front door-----i wondered WHY she was up ??"

..good lord-----with all of the above possibilities-----he can narrow the time he arrived home------within 2 minutes ?

I think it's because they know the 911 call was started at 3:27 and have to fit Ron's arrival time close to that time.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

The calls could have been confirmed because the calls went straight to Misty's voice mail and would have been counted as a call made and received.

I was thinking of it at that angle as well. I also was thinking that if they were calls "between" Misty and Brother", if she didn't answer for him, did she call/text him and he didn't answer for her as well? If so, why not? So, confusing. :banghead:

 

[bessie]

I actually believe Ron when he says "3:25, 3:27". From the jailhouse videos we see that he's very observant and a stickler for details. I was amused and somewhat amazed by the way he gave his grandmother the rundown on his shower/underwear schedule. He also mentions the time he was let out to shower and use the phone to the precise minute. And he quickly caught on to the trash schedule at the Flagler County jail. After observing his behavior in the videos, what I don't believe are his excuses about being clueless because he "wuz at werk" or he didn't ask Misty for details. BS He doesn't miss a trick.

 

[ilovemew]

I've never seen a parent with a missing child go on t.v. ranting about killing whoever has them. No Way!! You wouldn't want to do anything that could jeapordize your child's safe return.

 

[Donjeta]

I actually believe Ron when he says "3:25, 3:27". From the jailhouse videos we see that he's very observant and a stickler for details. I was amused and somewhat amazed by the way he gave his grandmother the rundown on his shower/underwear schedule. He also mentions the time he was let out to shower and use the phone to the precise minute. And he quickly caught on to the trash schedule at the Flagler County jail. After observing his behavior in the videos, what I don't believe are his excuses about being clueless because he "wuz at werk" or he didn't ask Misty for details. BS He doesn't miss a trick.

According to Shoemaker on Nancy Grace, RC could tell precisely how long it took to drive to PDM that Monday. (19 minutes.)

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I think it's because they know the 911 call was started at 3:27 and have to fit Ron's arrival time close to that time.

I agree, they had to make sure their time-line was set in stone.
One thing though, Misty had said she woke a little before 3AM and that Ron got home 5 minutes after. As soon as that 911 call was released or they knew the exact time it was placed the story change and Misty starts saying all she remembers is "3".
I agree with what some are saying. Misty has so many inconsistencies because she is trying to keep up with Ron and TN script. LE had said in the past that others have inconsistencies but they did not give names. I am 100% sure they said this, sorry I don't have a link handy, but I am sure of it. As soon as I read that, I started thinking Ron and others in the family were not being honest with LE.

I also recall 100%, that LE had stated that they were trying to get Ron and Misty to come in for more questioning and they were not cooperating. Ron himself went a drift there for a while and some over looked it, I didn't. I always wondered why Ron would avoid talking to LE? Haleigh is still missing, why would the father avoid talking to LE about his missing child if he had nothing to hide?

PCSO Original Incident Report
"snip" pdf.putnam/2009/images/02/13/cnn.turner.com/cdnhttp://i.
Misty claims that she woke just before 3:00Am to get a drink of water and noticed Haleigh missing.

She then states she ran around the home frantically searching for Haleigh, and that she noticed the back door was open. She stated the back door had been locked "PRIOR TO HER GOING TO BED".

Misty also stated that 5min after she noticed Haleigh Missing Ronald got home and that as soon as she told Ronald Haleigh was missing he told her to call 911 and she did.
Also, if you notice in the report Misty and Ron both put the same phone number down. I would like to know where the second phone went? If she tried to call him, he had his phone, TN gave them "both" a phone, so why list the same phone number? Did LE only take Misty's phone or Ron's?:waitasec:

Putnam Sheriff Talks 1-On-1 With Channel 4 http://www.news4jax.com/video/19059573/index.html

In this video report it is said that there are several inconsistent statements and some are with Misty. I would like to know who else gave LE an inconsistent statement in their eyes. I know who I see, I wonder who LE sees.

Maj. Gary Bowling, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted. Six months into the unsolved disappearance.
Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2009
"Snip" http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-09/story/haleighs_family_remains_divided_6_months_later

Cummings: It went ‘personal’

In recent interviews at Sykes’ Welaka home where Ronald Cummings, 25, and his wife live, he told the Times-Union the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office focus was shortsighted.

Standing outside wearing T-shirts with Haleigh’s likeness, Ronald and Misty Cummings said they gave dozens of hours of interviews in February and March, including her longest, which she said occurred just before the couple were married.

“I think the longest time I was in there was eight hours,” she said.

Ronald Cummings said the investigation went in the wrong direction.

“They took a child-abduction investigation and made it a personal investigation,” he said. “Instead of keeping the focus on finding Haleigh, they made the focus on Misty and what she was doing one weekend and what happened six months ago and what happened seven years ago. It was tunnel vision.”

Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.

 

[Donjeta]

I'm so glad you posted all that, Madj, since this is suspicious behavior, IMO.

Ronald Cummings said the investigation went in the wrong direction.

“They took a child-abduction investigation and made it a personal investigation,” he said. “Instead of keeping the focus on finding Haleigh, they made the focus on Misty and what she was doing one weekend and what happened six months ago and what happened seven years ago. It was tunnel vision.”

He wasn't there, he was at werk. So how does he know that it went in the wrong direction? How does he know that it was a child abduction and not a case of a drug-addled teen babysitter hurting a child?

Anyway, what do you think the investigators were asking him about that happened six months ago or seven years ago?

Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.

OMG, what do you say? What do you say? I know it was a rhetorical question but I'll tell you anyway:

You say yes, I'll answer whatever you want to know because I have nothing to hide and even if I have, I don't care because finding my daughter is more important, and I thank you for being so diligent in the investigation to her disappearance; the sooner we can clear all this the sooner it can move on.

 

[SoSueMe]

What sealed it for me is Ron choose to get married on the very day that a large ground search was going on. He knew they wouldn't find anything there.

Years ago I planned a small wedding within a week. It's fast and furious and exciting. You have to shop for a wedding dress, order the cake, flowers, something old, something blue....blah, blah. Then to also plan the trip to NYC right after the wedding, you are shopping for something to wear, maybe they had to go out and buy a new suitcase. My point is, how could they be doing this type of thing when Haleigh was still out there?

It's not like they went straight to the JP and married in 10 minutes. They had a small wedding. Misty seemed giddy with excitement. How could they?

Just how in the hell-o could they behave this way?

 

[balaney]

A guilty parent never acts guilty.

An innocent parent always acts guilty.

Example: If your child comes up missing, the first thing an innocent parents thinks is "what should I have done? could I have kept this from happening? is it my fault? if only..."

A guilty parent immediately states reasons it is NOT them.

 

[Maven2379]

I actually believe Ron when he says "3:25, 3:27". From the jailhouse videos we see that he's very observant and a stickler for details. I was amused and somewhat amazed by the way he gave his grandmother the rundown on his shower/underwear schedule. He also mentions the time he was let out to shower and use the phone to the precise minute. And he quickly caught on to the trash schedule at the Flagler County jail. After observing his behavior in the videos, what I don't believe are his excuses about being clueless because he "wuz at werk" or he didn't ask Misty for details. BS He doesn't miss a trick.

BBM

I think the only reason he knows the exact time for the shower is because it's on his tag/band .... whatever because when he is talking to her about it he tells her "let me check my band" or something like that, then he tells her the exact time.

I have always found it odd he knew the exact minute he got home, also that Misty knows exactly what time he got home. In the LVA video she dances all around the subject of what time she woke up ...... I seen a 3, but then says that Ron got home at 3:25, and they called 911 at 3:27.

I can understand her knowing the time of the 911 call, just because it's general knowledge. Wonder why it's so important for Ron to arrive only minutes before. :waitasec:

 

[Wise Old Owl]

The BIG thing that stood out for me in all this is:

In the first 30 minutes or so that you initially find your child is missing is chaotic - 911 being called, you're running around yelling the child's name, etc etc

When you call 911 you don't go on some diatribe about how you are "going to kill the SOB that took her" and you "don't care if this is recorded or not - you can put me in jail".

Now - how would you KNOW that someone TOOK HER? That she didn't wander out the door?

Nope - you make that statement because it deflects, deflects, deflects, and besides if YOU are the PERSON RESPONSIBLE your threats are empty words. You're threatening a non-existent person so what does it matter?

When my son was about 8 - 9 he didn't come home from a friends house after playing. I was frantic - I called 911 and they were there immediately. Turned out that he just stayed longer at the friends and while the cops were all over the place - the father shows up with my son in the car - happy ending. Point I'm trying to make is I certainly didn't jump to the conclusion that he'd be abducted - as a parent you can't, it will eat you up. The cops had to physically keep me from going up to the other parent's car as I was furious!!! :furious: But do you see my point? I wasn't threatening to kill anyone - I wanted my child.

I always thought from the get go that the 911 called said it all - and I still feel that way.

 

[TxLady2]

I agree, they had to make sure their time-line was set in stone.
One thing though, Misty had said she woke a little before 3AM and that Ron got home 5 minutes after. As soon as that 911 call was released or they knew the exact time it was placed the story change and Misty starts saying all she remembers is "3".
I agree with what some are saying. Misty has so many inconsistencies because she is trying to keep up with Ron and TN script. LE had said in the past that others have inconsistencies but they did not give names. I am 100% sure they said this, sorry I don't have a link handy, but I am sure of it. As soon as I read that, I started thinking Ron and others in the family were not being honest with LE.

I also recall 100%, that LE had stated that they were trying to get Ron and Misty to come in for more questioning and they were not cooperating. Ron himself went a drift there for a while and some over looked it, I didn't. I always wondered why Ron would avoid talking to LE? Haleigh is still missing, why would the father avoid talking to LE about his missing child if he had nothing to hide?

Re: the phone#'s.... it is my understanding that they put the number that the 911 call was made from on their reports. There would be no need to note any other #'s they might have.