Tampering Investigation Who? What? When? Where? We already know why!

[sleutherontheside]

I think we have an understanding of WHY JB asked Brad to look for those names. The only names listed were either defense bus victims on their radar OR registered sex offenders.

HE WAS ONLY LOOKING FOR THE SODDI!!!!!!!!!!

THAT"S ALL.....

 

[Sooner Fan#1]

I wonder if AF will leave too? She seems like a no nonsense kinda gal to me!

 

[sumbunny]

I wonder if AF will leave too? She seems like a no nonsense kinda gal to me!

She might be the only one left standing after the dust settles. I hope she doesn't leave. I want this trial to start in may.

Sadly, I think with all the latest information...lead council will be departing and the trial, will again...be delayed :maddening:

 

[nums24]

SA has it, I believe. And from the BC interview it sounds as if they have listened to it. If they have it's possible because it now is a case of tampering that it becomes evidence and no longer against the law for them of listen to the tape.....not, sure but it sounds as if LDB said they had listened to it. Any one else get that impression??? jmo

State did not listen to recording, it would be illegal, here is SAO Motion :

Here is State's motion: http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...ing of Interview of Joe Jordan 12-09-2009.pdf

Here is defense Motion:
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...ecorded Statement of Joe Jordan 4-25-2010.pdf

Here are the related orders:

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...ing of Interview of Joe Jordan 12-16-2009.pdf


http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...Recorded Statement of Joe Jordan 4-7-2010.pdf

 

[ynotdivein]

What is the statute of limitations on witness and evidence tampering?

 

[nums24]

Are you kidding me? Don't you remember that TM paid Baez. I'm sure he'd be welcomed back for..... oh, say, another $70K.

It was a joke, sarcasm.. :banghead:

 

[sleutherontheside]

What is the statute of limitations on witness and evidence tampering?

I bet that's a legal question Jose WILL know the answer to very soon.

 

[nums24]

And recall that William Slabaugh had to sign an affidavit that he searched their office email records for any contact with LAURA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He said he found none.

He seems to be the go to guy for these "affidavits".

 

[The World According]

State did not listen to recording, it would be illegal, here is SAO Motion :

Here is State's motion: http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...ing of Interview of Joe Jordan 12-09-2009.pdf

Here is defense Motion:
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...ecorded Statement of Joe Jordan 4-25-2010.pdf

Here are the related orders:

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...ing of Interview of Joe Jordan 12-16-2009.pdf


http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...Recorded Statement of Joe Jordan 4-7-2010.pdf

God I hope I am wrong but iirc the detective made reference to having heard it while he was questioning Brad. That doesn't mean he actually did listen to it just because he phrased a comment or question that way, and I hope to God I read that wrong. Does anyone know the exact spot and have the direct quote? I do recall Linda Drane Burdick telling the judge she had not listened to it and would not listen to as it would be a felony for her to do so. SO, I am sure the detective mispoke here or I misread.

Yeah!! I just read it again and that is not correct, no one admits to hearing it! Thank God. It is on page 26. It is unclear...let's put it in the light most favorable to LE. They may have been saying we have been prevented from listening to it, or "Thwarted".

 

[sumbunny]

God I hope I am wrong but iirc the detective made reference to having heard it while he was questioning Brad. That doesn't mean he actually did, and I hope to God I read that wrong. Does anyone know the exact spot and have the direct quote? I do recall Linda Drane Burdick telling the judge she had not listened to it and would not listen to as it would be a felony for her to do so. SO, I am sure the detective mispoke here or I misread.

Unlike Baez and company. LDB and JA know the law I'm sure they didn't listen to the tape if it were illegal to do so.

eta -not meant to be snippy at your post TWA ~hugs~

 

[faefrost]

Well, it looks like we have LB tampering with documents by signing her name and the names of at least two other TES searchers to say Caylee wasn't there to impress her new BFF's, the A's.

We've got Mort and Lyons tampering with TES witnesses to get them to say that Caylee's body wasn't there or just harassing people that happened to step onto Suburban drive.

And we've got Baez tampering with at least one document, putting Conway's name on it without Conway's permission, alleging a special situation between Nejame, Conway, and the A's to look at TES records.

Lots of tamperin' goin' on here, folks. And it's finally in writing and coming to light.

Wow, and all of this involves TES. I'm betting Baez wishes he had never heard of TES right now...

if we are looking at the blanket patern of behavior, we also have;

- JB soliciting from and authoring for the A's the letter to MN in an attempt to pull the waiver of privilege the A's had granted, without consult or permission of the A's attorney BC.

- We have DC and Hoover in the woods, looking for trash bags with pavers, and under orders to tell no one what they find except JB.

- We have statements released by the defense, supposedly made by RK's ex wives and son, none of whom will repeat them under oath (or if they do, they don't match up to the claims). What was the influences on those witnesses?

- We have JB showing up at the crime scene with Dr. Henry Lee while it is being processed by LE. (OK in and of itself this one may be nothing. But given Dr. Lee's history, and some of the other defense activities, one has to wonder. It was enough to make the judge hinky enough to order that the defense examinations of the evidence be witnessed by the SA and videotaped).

- We have JB's multiple letters to BC seeking ALL items and materials from KC's room at the A's home. Plus his clients computers be handed over to him.

I am sort of thinking that this investigation may be a little bit broader than simply the LB fake TES document.

Just out of curiosity. How does the date of AL's departure from the case line up with all of this? How about the last time we ever actually saw or heard from LKB?

Final speculation on my part (and please note any and all of this is pure speculation) in that interview both the interviewer and BC seemed to be trying to come to grips with why JB kept asking over and over for BC to look for documents at TES or call and ask LB for documents, that JB rather obviously already had. I can't help thinking that he was seeking to use BC as a neutral patsy. In other words if BC found the document, either through TES or from LB, he would report it to the SA, the defense and the judge. It would be "new exculpatory evidence" found by a neutral third party. And not something coming out of JB's office. He was seeking to use BC to add credibility to the fake document, while at the same time probing BC trying to determine if there was any real TES documents that might contradict the LB one. It does not appear that that line of questioning was in fact to acertain whether or not the LB fake document was real, (because that would be a very easy question to ask outright and up front) but rather that they knew or suspected that the document was fake, but were seeking to make sure that it was clear to use it anyway.

No matter how you slice it, JB has a huge amount of questions that will need to be answered at some point.

 

[sumbunny]

Didn't Baez also remove items from the Anthony house prior to LE removing things?

He also failed to notify the police or SA of him doing so? Caylee's toothbrush, etc?

I'm sure if we were to make a list of all the unethical things Baez has done on this case, it would be a big thread.

It's maddening nothing seems to have been done to punish this behavior other then a very light sanction.

 

[Aedrys]

if we are looking at the blanket patern of behavior, we also have;

- JB soliciting from and authoring for the A's the letter to MN in an attempt to pull the waiver of privilege the A's had granted, without consult or permission of the A's attorney BC.

- We have DC and Hoover in the woods, looking for trash bags with pavers, and under orders to tell no one what they find except JB.

- We have statements released by the defense, supposedly made by RK's ex wives and son, none of whom will repeat them under oath (or if they do, they don't match up to the claims). What was the influences on those witnesses?

- We have JB showing up at the crime scene with Dr. Henry Lee while it is being processed by LE. (OK in and of itself this one may be nothing. But given Dr. Lee's history, and some of the other defense activities, one has to wonder. It was enough to make the judge hinky enough to order that the defense examinations of the evidence be witnessed by the SA and videotaped).

- We have JB's multiple letters to BC seeking ALL items and materials from KC's room at the A's home. Plus his clients computers be handed over to him.

I am sort of thinking that this investigation may be a little bit broader than simply the LB fake TES document.

Just out of curiosity. How does the date of AL's departure from the case line up with all of this? How about the last time we ever actually saw or heard from LKB?

Final speculation on my part (and please note any and all of this is pure speculation) in that interview both the interviewer and BC seemed to be trying to come to grips with why JB kept asking over and over for BC to look for documents at TES or call and ask LB for documents, that JB rather obviously already had. I can't help thinking that he was seeking to use BC as a neutral patsy. In other words if BC found the document, either through TES or from LB, he would report it to the SA, the defense and the judge. It would be "new exculpatory evidence" found by a neutral third party. And not something coming out of JB's office. He was seeking to use BC to add credibility to the fake document, while at the same time probing BC trying to determine if there was any real TES documents that might contradict the LB one. It does not appear that that line of questioning was in fact to acertain whether or not the LB fake document was real, (because that would be a very easy question to ask outright and up front) but rather that they knew or suspected that the document was fake, but were seeking to make sure that it was clear to use it anyway.

No matter how you slice it, JB has a huge amount of questions that will need to be answered at some point.

Yep, Tehcloser's (another WS poster) siggy has new meaning here - if there's hink, there must be stink. This case is REEKING right now!

 

[nums24]

What is the statute of limitations on witness and evidence tampering?

Not sure what the statute of limitations is, but the clock starts ticking from the time crime becomes known. The new case number was initiated in September 2010. My guess would be a minimum of 2 years to file charges.

Laws About Tampering With Physical Evidence in Florida

http://www.ehow.com/list_6753966_laws-tampering-physical-evidence-florida.html

Statute referenced: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ing=&URL=0900-0999/0918/Sections/0918.13.html

 

[The World According]

Unlike Baez and company. LDB and JA know the law I'm sure they didn't listen to the tape if it were illegal to do so.

eta -not meant to be snippy at your post TWA ~hugs~

I know, no worries. You know how I feel about these prosecutors!!!! Love, love, love them.


Yeah!! I just read it again and that is not correct, no one admits to hearing it! Thank God. It is on page 26. It is unclear. because words are missing from the sentence. Let's put it in the light most favorable to LE. They may have been saying we have been prevented from listening to it, or "Thwarted". :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

The prosecutors were not doing the questioning, the questioner kept repeating...we are not attorneys so LDB and JA were not there. It was Sgt. John Allen and Corp. Eric Edwards. Nevertheless, I know they would have instructed the detectives not to listen to the tape.

I KNOW that LE knew they were not to listen to it; because I recall the detective originally talking to Joe Jordan on the phone and telling him not to destroy the tape, etc. and that he had talked to the SA. These are seasoned detectives, so I trust they know the rules even if they were not specifically articulated in this case. I think the detective may have been expressing frustration that they could not listen to it. I wish he had been more clear; because, we all know Cheney is going to have a bone now, or think he does.

Cheney is going to have to search high and he is going to have to search low to try to get Jose out of this one and he'll look for anything he can.
Little buddy wont be trying this case, not after all of this, not if the judge believes it. Cheney and Anne maybe, but I do not see Baez remaining, not if this is proved to be what he purposely, knowingly did....mislead the court. It is just too blatant as Richard Hornsby likes to say.

Now that I see who it was Sgt. John Allen and Corp. Eric Edwards I am very sure they did understand any rules or rulings set out by the judge regarding that tape and I am not at all concerned that they listened to it. They would have known better, these are very experienced, career LE guys. As Sgt Allen said to Casey at Universal, " We have put together a lot more in this case than I think you realize. This ain't our first dance".
That is the way I choose to look at this, unless and until I hear the audio and it comes off different I am going to hope for the best. When I read it the first time my heart sank to my stomach, oh no guys, I thought, and just hoped I read it wrong. Hope floats.

 

[nums24]

if we are looking at the blanket patern of behavior, we also have;

- JB soliciting from and authoring for the A's the letter to MN in an attempt to pull the waiver of privilege the A's had granted, without consult or permission of the A's attorney BC.

- We have DC and Hoover in the woods, looking for trash bags with pavers, and under orders to tell no one what they find except JB.

- We have statements released by the defense, supposedly made by RK's ex wives and son, none of whom will repeat them under oath (or if they do, they don't match up to the claims). What was the influences on those witnesses?

- We have JB showing up at the crime scene with Dr. Henry Lee while it is being processed by LE. (OK in and of itself this one may be nothing. But given Dr. Lee's history, and some of the other defense activities, one has to wonder. It was enough to make the judge hinky enough to order that the defense examinations of the evidence be witnessed by the SA and videotaped).

- We have JB's multiple letters to BC seeking ALL items and materials from KC's room at the A's home. Plus his clients computers be handed over to him.

I am sort of thinking that this investigation may be a little bit broader than simply the LB fake TES document.

Just out of curiosity. How does the date of AL's departure from the case line up with all of this? How about the last time we ever actually saw or heard from LKB?

Final speculation on my part (and please note any and all of this is pure speculation) in that interview both the interviewer and BC seemed to be trying to come to grips with why JB kept asking over and over for BC to look for documents at TES or call and ask LB for documents, that JB rather obviously already had. I can't help thinking that he was seeking to use BC as a neutral patsy. In other words if BC found the document, either through TES or from LB, he would report it to the SA, the defense and the judge. It would be "new exculpatory evidence" found by a neutral third party. And not something coming out of JB's office. He was seeking to use BC to add credibility to the fake document, while at the same time probing BC trying to determine if there was any real TES documents that might contradict the LB one. It does not appear that that line of questioning was in fact to acertain whether or not the LB fake document was real, (because that would be a very easy question to ask outright and up front) but rather that they knew or suspected that the document was fake, but were seeking to make sure that it was clear to use it anyway.

No matter how you slice it, JB has a huge amount of questions that will need to be answered at some point.

AL filed 6/30/2010 to withdraw, the last day possible before FL new rule went into effect. The rule prohibits private attorneys from leaving if a client becomes indigent.

 

[Aedrys]

Not sure what the statute of limitations is, but it's from the time crime becomes known, new case number was initiated in September 2010, has to be at least 2 years.

Laws About Tampering With Physical Evidence in Florida

http://www.ehow.com/list_6753966_laws-tampering-physical-evidence-florida.html

Statute referenced: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ing=&URL=0900-0999/0918/Sections/0918.13.html

Huh, so Baez was hoping to delay this two more years so the limitations would be passed? Too bad HHJP ain't playin' that game with him! Too bad Baez!

 

[sumbunny]

In Florida, tampering with evidence is a third-degree felony punishable by a fine and a prison term.

Florida Statute Title XLVII, Section 918.13, defines the tampering of evidence as any destruction, alteration, removal or concealment of objects, records or documents marked as evidence. In order to avoid unfair prosecution for tampering with evidence, the statute requires that the tampering be intentional, with the purpose of making the evidence unavailable or impairing its value in court.

Fabricating Evidence
# Another form of tampering with evidence is the fabrication of evidence. Section 918.13 also makes it a crime to create or present any objects, records or documents marked as evidence knowing that such evidence is false.

yikes...someone is in heaps of ca-ca.

My ears will be perked at future hearings for that section 918.13

 

[TotallyObsessed]

God I hope I am wrong but iirc the detective made reference to having heard it while he was questioning Brad. That doesn't mean he actually did listen to it just because he phrased a comment or question that way, and I hope to God I read that wrong. Does anyone know the exact spot and have the direct quote? I do recall Linda Drane Burdick telling the judge she had not listened to it and would not listen to as it would be a felony for her to do so. SO, I am sure the detective mispoke here or I misread.

Yeah!! I just read it again and that is not correct, no one admits to hearing it! Thank God. It is on page 26. It is unclear...let's put it in the light most favorable to LE. They may have been saying we have been prevented from listening to it, or "Thwarted".

I'll have to go back and read, but perhaps he meant "we heard ABOUT that" when he said "we heard that"....

 

[sleutherontheside]

I can't help but wonder if the reason LE asked Laura if anyone had shown her photos of Caylee from the crime scene is because they suspected that Mort had shown them to her to get her to say she never saw anything that "looked like that".

Also the TREE location was apparently a hot button issue for them so perhaps Mort would have been trying to show her EXACTLY which tree.

I think he showed them. But, that's just my gut feeling.