Teen mom shoots intruder dead 1 week after husband dies of cancer

[Velouria]

you are going on supposition not facts. sarah never saw another person so he could have been standing by the fence...and we don't know his whole statement..we just have excerpts from the arresting avadavit..what if he said we were going there to get drugs because justin bought drugs there before...maybe he did...what if he said we thought no one was home....self serving statements are often omitted by police...i still don't think they had a right to break in, but until we hear the complete statement we need to rely on the police to give us what they hold dear...and the fact he is out on bond kind of tells you how the prosecutor sees this...i don't know what is true, but all i can say, this story does not add up.

BBM

Actually, that doesn't tell us anything about how the prosecutor sees this. It tells us that the judge set bail at an amount that he believes will guarantee the defendant's next court appearance.

I live in country and for some time answered door with gun if no one was expected.
The posing with the gun may very well be her way of letting every one she is armed, she may be nervous about all knowing she is alone. I used to practice shooting after a break in just so the crack heads down the road knew I had a gun...

And since Perp #2 is out on bail as mentioned above, I wouldn't blame her one bit for putting that message out there, just in case.

I just want to say thank you for post. I think most of the problem is supporters posting on new sites starting rumors. Personally I am sick of hearing from family and friends of criminals. They always say there's more to the story and to wait till the facts come out. You know what? When it happens the perps look even more evil, more guilty, and the supporters looks like fools and crawl under a rock never to be heard from again.

BBM

:clap: Suzi, you rock! :rocker:

 

[Mikebr]

Ok, let's go with your scenario. These two shining paragons of virture were just driving along, saw the house and thought "hey isn't that the trailer we were at the other night?" "looks like the family isn't there today" "hey, just for fun let's see if we can get in the home" "maybe they have drugs laying around in there" Then they get inside, they see a scared vulnerable woman..... and no shotgun. Now what do you thing the guy holding the knife is going to do? "Excuse me mam, so sorry to bother you" "going to just back out of your way now." "please don't tell anybody we broke in here"


Nope sorry not buying it. Even if they were only breaking in there to buy drugs, it would have ended badly unless she did exactly what she did.

i never said they were paragons of virtue...they were up to no good...but i think they knew those drugs were there...how? perhaps if we believe the little bit we have gotten from the sheriff, they just assumed there were drugs there due to the recent death of a cancer patient....but i would not want this woman to answer the door under any circumstances...but my guess the first action was he knocked at the door...she remained quiet and i understand that...then he began to break in, and she called 911 and i get that..she first got her gun i guess, get that too..the 911 operator gave good advice, can you set off a car alarm..unfortunately she did not have one...but in the few minutes of the call, never does she say he is after me, he wants me to open the door, so i am just wondering why she did not make it known that the police were coming, i am on the phone, i have a gun...it would have changed events in two possible ways, he would have run off, or he would in everyones, madman at the door scenario, broke down the door even faster resulting in a faster death...i don't believe the stalking story, so my thoughts about the earlier late night visit could have been to buy drugs...or it could have been his first attempt to rob her. and why did she add someone was taking her husbands meds why she was away? if that was happening in your house, how quickly would you keep your door locked and perhaps call the police then? i am always for the bad guy losing, but i also believe in getting at the facts...just the facts.

 

[mysteriew]

i never said they were paragons of virtue...they were up to no good...but i think they knew those drugs were there...how? perhaps if we believe the little bit we have gotten from the sheriff, they just assumed there were drugs there due to the recent death of a cancer patient....but i would not want this woman to answer the door under any circumstances...but my guess the first action was he knocked at the door...she remained quiet and i understand that...then he began to break in, and she called 911 and i get that..she first got her gun i guess, get that too..the 911 operator gave good advice, can you set off a car alarm..unfortunately she did not have one...but in the few minutes of the call, never does she say he is after me, he wants me to open the door, so i am just wondering why she did not make it known that the police were coming, i am on the phone, i have a gun...it would have changed events in two possible ways, he would have run off, or he would in everyones, madman at the door scenario, broke down the door even faster resulting in a faster death...i don't believe the stalking story, so my thoughts about the earlier late night visit could have been to buy drugs...or it could have been his first attempt to rob her. i am always for the bad guy losing, but i also believe in getting at the facts...just the facts.

My ex husband was abusive. We were separated and headed for a divorce. One night I was home alone and he showed up banging on the door. Loudly. I knew he knew how to force that door. He had often commented on how easy it would be to break in that door. I was scared spitless. I never said a word to him. I never called out to him. I never told him that LE was on the way.

I got my pistol and the phone and sat on the floor across from the door. I called 911 and told them what was happening, told them I was holding the pistol on the door and would use it if he came through that door. 15 min later LE showed up. I was still holding the pistol. Until LE pulled into the driveway he was still banging on the door and cussing.

Yeah, I understand what this girl was going through. Luckily my ex didn't break in the door. But if he had, I would like to think I would have done just what she did.

 

[Mikebr]

My ex husband was abusive. We were separated and headed for a divorce. One night I was home alone and he showed up banging on the door. Loudly. I knew he knew how to force that door. He had often commented on how easy it would be to break in that door. I was scared spitless. I never said a word to him. I never called out to him. I never told him that LE was on the way.

I got my pistol and the phone and sat on the floor across from the door. I called 911 and told them what was happening, told them I was holding the pistol on the door and would use it if he came through that door. 15 min later LE showed up. I was still holding the pistol. Until LE pulled into the driveway he was still banging on the door and cussing.

Yeah, I understand what this girl was going through. Luckily my ex didn't break in the door. But if he had, I would like to think I would have done just what she did.

and there is a big difference between an engraged ex and a person wanting to steal drugs out of unoccupied dwelling...and i bet you ex was loud and called your name during the encounter and there was no doubt about the facts. i get that. glad you are ok. glad this girl is ok. but listen to the little of the 911 call...he is not yelling, banging that we can hear, she has never mentioned he is after me, she says something weird, two of my dogs have come up missing, i am here alone with my baby and this man is up to no good...now isn't that an understatement of sorts...if he is wildly banging and coming after her, don't you find that strange? there is no discussion of stalking...wouldn't you expect something like "this man has been stalking me, i think it might be him" but no nothing like that...it wasn't until after the shooting we hear that she had been stalked and i think her mother said that first referring to meeting him at a rodeo two years ago...seeing him in town a few times, and he stopped by the house the other night...wow thats stalking in oklahoma? then later the story about drugs missing from the house and how she thought someone was sneaking in while she was gone....wow really? it seems they think the first story is just not quite convincing enough i guess, they need to give us more reason to accept this shooting..and my question is why?

 

[Velouria]

and there is a big difference between an engraged ex and a person wanting to steal drugs out of unoccupied dwelling...and i bet you ex was loud and called your name during the encounter and there was no doubt about the facts. i get that. glad you are ok. glad this girl is ok. but listen to the little of the 911 call...he is not yelling, banging that we can hear, she has never mentioned he is after me, she says something weird, two of my dogs have come up missing, i am here alone with my baby and this man is up to no good...now isn't that an understatement of sorts...if he is wildly banging and coming after her, don't you find that strange? there is no discussion of stalking...wouldn't you expect something like "this man has been stalking me, i think it might be him" but no nothing like that...it wasn't until after the shooting we hear that she had been stalked and i think her mother said that first referring to meeting him at a rodeo two years ago...seeing him in town a few times, and he stopped by the house the other night...wow thats stalking in oklahoma? then later the story about drugs missing from the house and how she thought someone was sneaking in while she was gone....wow really? it seems they think the first story is just not quite convincing enough i guess, they need to give us more reason to accept this shooting..and my question is why?

BBM

I've noticed you have made several mentions of this theoretical burglar attempting to break into an unoccupied dwelling.

What leads you to believe the perpetrator thought the trailer was unoccupied? Why wouldn't he believe a young widow with a baby to care for would be home in the middle of the night, and not out partying just because it's NYE?

 

[jjenny]

BBM

I've noticed you have made several mentions of this theoretical burglar attempting to break into an unoccupied dwelling.

What leads you to believe the perpetrator thought the trailer was unoccupied? Why wouldn't he believe a young widow with a baby to care for would be home in the middle of the night, and not out partying just because it's NYE?

The incident took place right in the middle of the day ( at 2 pm), not in the middle of the night.

 

[Mikebr]

BBM

I've noticed you have made several mentions of this theoretical burglar attempting to break into an unoccupied dwelling.

What leads you to believe the perpetrator thought the trailer was unoccupied? Why wouldn't he believe a young widow with a baby to care for would be home in the middle of the night, and not out partying just because it's NYE?

it was 2 pm...and she was whispering on 911, which makes me believe she believed he did not know she was there...and there is never a reference of anything personal such as he is trying to get me...all that "he came at me with a knife" came after the shooting...i am a little concerned he was still clutching the knife when police arrived..but that was in some news story not from the cops..but my guess if you had a knife in your hand and someone shot you with a shotgun you would drop the knife as you died and fell over the couch...but like i said, that may have been dramatic writing added by reporters...so much of this story is drama added by the press and people with agendas other than the facts. so this girl might be a victim of the press too...but as i have heard the facts...there seems to be big gaps.

 

[mysteriew]

The incident took place right in the middle of the day ( at 2 pm), not in the middle of the night.

Yeah but I would almost bet there was a car in the driveway.

 

[mysteriew]

and there is a big difference between an engraged ex and a person wanting to steal drugs out of unoccupied dwelling...and i bet you ex was loud and called your name during the encounter and there was no doubt about the facts. i get that. glad you are ok. glad this girl is ok. but listen to the little of the 911 call...he is not yelling, banging that we can hear, she has never mentioned he is after me, she says something weird, two of my dogs have come up missing, i am here alone with my baby and this man is up to no good...now isn't that an understatement of sorts...if he is wildly banging and coming after her, don't you find that strange? there is no discussion of stalking...wouldn't you expect something like "this man has been stalking me, i think it might be him" but no nothing like that...it wasn't until after the shooting we hear that she had been stalked and i think her mother said that first referring to meeting him at a rodeo two years ago...seeing him in town a few times, and he stopped by the house the other night...wow thats stalking in oklahoma? then later the story about drugs missing from the house and how she thought someone was sneaking in while she was gone....wow really? it seems they think the first story is just not quite convincing enough i guess, they need to give us more reason to accept this shooting..and my question is why?

But we both had two things in common. We both felt like we were going to be broke into. And we both felt that if broke into, harm would probably happen to us.

ETA And yeah, I was whispering to 911 too.

 

[Mikebr]

But we both had two things in common. We both felt like we were going to be broke into. And we both felt that if broke into, harm would probably happen to us.

you don't know how she felt...and we both know your ex's intentions...it was personal...he was cussing and yelling wasn't he? if he thought you were not there, how would he behaved? what if it was a stranger that first knocked on your door?

 

[Mikebr]

Yeah but I would almost bet there was a car in the driveway.

betting a car was there is just another supposing. assumes a fact not in evidence..

 

[jjenny]

Yeah but I would almost bet there was a car in the driveway.

If he kept beating on the door then presumably he knew she was in there.
The burglars who want to check if anyone is at home would knock on the door and if no one answers presumably would just assume no one is home instead of continue beating on the door. I wish we had complete 911 tapes instead of a short fragment we do.

 

[not_my_kids]

To me, it doesn't matter why they were breaking in. Not a bit. They could have been sneaking in to recarpet her house and wash her dishes....(Not that I believe they were, but the why of the situation doesn't matter to me.)
The point remains that there were two men entering her home, against her wishes, and without invitation, as the case is being reported now. She responded to a very real threat with very real force. Deadly force, as she is authorized to do by law. So far, I haven't seen a single thing that says LE is doubting the veracity of her claims. They are investigating a homicide. As they do every homicide, justified or not.

WHen someone tries to unlawfully enter someone else's home, the law says that we can kill them. It's not a mistake, it's not a faux pas, it is a crime that may get you killed. I actually like the message that sends to would be criminals.

As far as answering the door with the gun at the ready, I would too. That might be because of where I live, but retaliation from the family of the dead guy would seem to be a very real threat to me. I would be prepared for that.

 

[mysteriew]

betting a car was there is just another supposing. assumes a fact not in evidence..

Oh, you mean like assuming that she is selling drugs? Or assuming that her mother is lying about the guy following her? Or assuming that she had another motive for shooting, other than the fact that her home was broken into? You are right. We shouldn't assume. I apoligise.

I would like to ask you a question.

What do you think she should have done..... based on the known facts in evidence??? And why should she have done it that way? What would you have expected your mother/wife/daughter/gf to have done?

 

[mysteriew]

you don't know how she felt...and we both know your ex's intentions...it was personal...he was cussing and yelling wasn't he? if he thought you were not there, how would he behaved? what if it was a stranger that first knocked on your door?

If it was a stranger and I thought they were about to break in, I'd have done the very same thing. Except I might not have called 911 till after.

I live in the country. I expect that it will take 15 min to 30 min for LE to get here. If it had been a stranger I wouldn't have wanted to take a chance that they would hear me. And I would have waited till they crossed the threshhold and I would have shot them. Then I would have called LE.

 

[Mikebr]

Oh, you mean like assuming that she is selling drugs? Or assuming that her mother is lying about the guy following her? Or assuming that she had another motive for shooting, other than the fact that her home was broken into? You are right. We shouldn't assume. I apoligise.

I would like to ask you a question.

What do you think she should have done..... based on the known facts in evidence??? And why should she have done it that way? What would you have expected your mother/wife/daughter/gf to have done?

I am not assuming anything...i am asking questions...i believe the mother about the rodeo two years ago...just don't think that is stalking...i believe she had seen the kid around town a few times..i just don't believe that is stalking...i am not sure about the earlier visit in the week, but even if that is true i do not believe that is stalking...and apparently until after the shooting neither did sarah...wouldn't that had been the first words out of your mouth on 911? as far as the drugs, she is the one that claimed someone had been coming in her house while she was away taking her husband's pain meds...its not logical. i understand the emotional aspect and great news story, mother protecting young...i understand all of that...but i am parcing thru what they are saying in their interviews and its not adding up for me...if you thought someone was stealing your husbands pain meds while you were out, what would you do? ignore it? if you thought someone was stalking you, what would you do, ignore it? if i were the cops i would want to know the answers to those questions..it would not be the first time a drug buyer came back to rob the dealer...

 

[SuziQ]

Ok, let's go with your scenario. These two shining paragons of virture were just driving along, saw the house and thought "hey isn't that the trailer we were at the other night?" "looks like the family isn't there today" "hey, just for fun let's see if we can get in the home" "maybe they have drugs laying around in there" Then they get inside, they see a scared vulnerable woman..... and no shotgun. Now what do you thing the guy holding the knife is going to do? "Excuse me mam, so sorry to bother you" "going to just back out of your way now." "please don't tell anybody we broke in here"


Nope sorry not buying it. Even if they were only breaking in there to steal drugs, it would have ended badly unless she did exactly what she did.

ITA. I know if someone is breaking into my house, I'm going to assume the worst. To assume less might get me and my kids killed.

Way back when I had three friends carjacked in the parking lot of a Burger King. The jacker was a man with a shotgun. No priors, no DUI's, no drug history of any kind. Perfect work record etc. He had come home that night to an empty house. His wife had taken everything including the kids. He started drinking until it seemed like a good idea to take out his anger on my friends. He told my friends to start driving and he wouldn't hurt them. My friend driving assumed the worst that he was going to kill them all. At that moment a police car passed going the opposite direction. She swerved and purposely ran into the back end of a brand new pickup. The cops turned around with lights and sirens. The guy ran but LE caught him. At trial the defense argued for a light sentence based on no priors, he law abiding and his wife screwing his client over. The DA told the jury that the victims were kidnapped at gunpoint and the jury needed to assume the worst. That he was going to make the victims drive into the hills and kill them. The defendant was found guilty and sent away for life.

Always assume the worst and remember there is no guarantee LE will get there in time to help.

 

[mysteriew]

I am not assuming anything...i am asking questions...i believe the mother about the rodeo two years ago...just don't think that is stalking...i believe she had seen the kid around town a few times..i just don't believe that is stalking...i am not sure about the earlier visit in the week, but even if that is true i do not believe that is stalking...1 and apparently until after the shooting neither did sarah...wouldn't that had been the first words out of your mouth on 911? as far as the drugs, she is the one that claimed someone had been coming in her house while she was away taking her husband's pain meds...its not logical. i understand the emotional aspect and great news story, mother protecting young...i understand all of that...but i am parcing thru what they are saying in their interviews and its not adding up for me...if you thought someone was stealing your husbands pain meds while you were out, what would you do? ignore it? if you thought someone was stalking you, what would you do, ignore it? if i were the cops i would want to know the answers to those questions..2it would not be the first time a drug buyer came back to rob the dealer...

1 I believe we have already established that there is no guarentee that she had had a chance to recognize him prior to the shooting. So that is assuming facts not in evidence

2 Assuming facts not in evidence. There has been no hint, suggestion or fact that she or her husband was selling drugs.



And again, if someone was knocking on her door, she feared they might break in, there was a shotgun in the home, 20 min after the incident began and 911 was called and LE not showing up, the guy breaks in. What would you want/expect from your mother/sister/wife/gf/daughter???
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[Mikebr]

1 I believe we have already established that there is no guarentee that she had had a chance to recognize him prior to the shooting. So that is assuming facts not in evidence

2 Assuming facts not in evidence. There has been no hint, suggestion or fact that she or her husband was selling drugs.



And again, if someone was knocking on her door, she feared they might break in, there was a shotgun in the home, 20 min after the incident began and 911 was called and LE not showing up, the guy breaks in. What would you want/expect from your mother/sister/wife/gf/daughter???
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FACT: In subsequent interviews there were allegations of stalking but all examples given were not examples of stalking...

FACT: she said she suspected that someone had been sneaking into her house stealing her husband's pain meds...but apparently never reported it..or locked her house.

FACT: on 911 she never mentions two men, nor that she had been recently stalked nor that the man was after her.

FACT: on 911 she says two dogs have come up missing, but later says they were poisoned...which is it? (rumor post that she put on her facebook page she had actually shot one of her dogs because he was having a seizure-not a verifiable fact)

FACT: this is the complete examples of stalking...mother: he followed her around at a rodeo two years ago(she would have been living with the old man then since she lived with him since she was 15)...sarah: i had seen him in town a few times...sarah: he stopped by house and introduced himself as a neighbor but left because i had company and was acting strangly......so over a two year period that equates to stalking? kidding right?

FACT: They kept oxycotin in the home and alledgedly someone was stealing it if you believe that.

FACT: intruder was after the drugs according to accomplice

FACT: Intruder tried to enter the house for over 20 minutes even though most people who thought they are trying to enter an occupied home would have to be thinking police should be on their way....does not make sense.

There are plenty of questions regarding statements made during and after the 911 call...and sleuthing is about that...maybe you don't beleive anyone should have an opinion other than yours...but i am seeing more here than you...and i want to know what it is...call me nosy...

 

[mysteriew]

FACT: In subsequent interviews there were allegations of stalking but all examples given were not examples of stalking..."In subsequent interviews" But in the 911 call there was no indication that she recognized him right? So why would she have brought it up, she may not have even thought of him.

FACT: she said she suspected that someone had been sneaking into her house stealing her husband's pain meds...but apparently never reported it..or locked her house. How long before this incident did that happen? During the time that her husband lay dying? Could she have felt she had other priorities at that particular time other than reporting it? Not locking door.... assuming facts not in evidence...... do we know the door wasn't locked?

FACT: on 911 she never mentions two men, nor that she had been recently stalked nor that the man was after her. Where have you seen that she saw two men prior to the shooting? Where have you seen that she recognized the stalker prior to the shooting? And stalking is sometimes a matter of perspective. Was stalking her mother perception or the girl's?

FACT: on 911 she says two dogs have come up missing, but later says they were poisoned...which is it? (rumor post that she put on her facebook page she had actually shot one of her dogs because he was having a seizure-not a verifiable fact) Maybe she started with 3 dogs? Maybe the two poisoned dogs were found after the shooting, but were only missing at the time of the 911 call? Maybe the living burglar confessed to poisoning the dogs?

FACT: this is the complete examples of stalking...mother: he followed her around at a rodeo two years ago(she would have been living with the old man then since she lived with him since she was 15)...sarah: i had seen him in town a few times...sarah: he stopped by house and introduced himself as a neighbor but left because i had company and was acting strangly......so over a two year period that equates to stalking? kidding right? What I see as stalking, my daughter doesn't. Sounds like the same here.

FACT: They kept oxycotin in the home and alledgedly someone was stealing it if you believe that. Oxy, one of the most abused drugs. Usually only perscribed now in very severe cases, like when someone was terminal. You would think someone in this house might have died?
My mother hired a woman to clean her home, she came up short on some drugs. Fired the girl, but figured that they would never be able to convict her so she never reported the drug theft.

FACT: intruder was after the drugs according to accomplice
To an intruder, which story do you think would make you look better you were breaking in for drugs, or you thouht you might have some fun and get to make a woman do what you wanted? Or both? Personally if I am going to suspect what anyone says, it is him.

FACT: Intruder tried to enter the house for over 20 minutes even though most people who thought they are trying to enter an occupied home would have to be thinking police should be on their way....does not make sense. Were they high or drunk? Cause I have noticed drunk/high people don't always think like me. Not assuming anything, the survivor is the one who brouht up drugs.

There are plenty of questions regarding statements made during and after the 911 call...and sleuthing is about that...maybe you don't beleive anyone should have an opinion other than yours...but i am seeing more here than you...and i want to know what it is...call me nosy...

Why don't you want to answer what you would want your female relative to do in this situation?