Teen mom shoots intruder dead 1 week after husband dies of cancer

[lonetraveler]

according to the facts there was one man trying to break into a house and one out by the fence....and her self serving statements made later is evidence of nothing..the 911 call speaks for itself. and why bring my mother into this? see that's the problem...its personal with too many people..you can't just listen to the facts..you got to make it a political cause or a personal cause...

Review all statements you can find about the alledged stalking behavior for one.....you will not find one statement made by any of her family or her or police that describes one stalking incident...all i found was a claim he was stalking her at a rodeo two years ago by her mother....then one by a family member reported he had been stalking her since her husband had died...repeated in here....but then look at other statements...she had encountered him maybe three times but did not know him..that was her latest statement....other times..i had seen him around town....i had seen him a nearby convenient store a few times...

But in here people have added their own stuff like "if some man stared at me like i was a buffet" "if someone wanted my baby" " she kept telling the mad to leave her alone but he didn't: those three statements are pure fiction and have never been alledged....

the pills missing is her story.....why?

if this kid had broken in her house before he would have taken all the pills

I am asking good questions but all i get back is attacks and insults.

BBM: Please see bolded part above and "What the heck is this comment about?" I haven't seen your mother mentioned. What?

 

[lonetraveler]

I have not attacked any posters on this thread. Nor have I taken this thread personally. I haven't tried to make anyone look "like a saint". I am however supporting this young mother's decision to defend herself and her baby from harm. Period.

 

[Mikebr]

Where do you see anything about your mother in the post you quoted?

I've seen nobody attack you or insult you.

i misread the mother statement sorry. the insults are the condenscending nature of such comments...what's confusing????? there is no way i can discuss it with people who have staked out a personal claim..when people bring their own facts into the discussion, not you in particular, but it is no use in posting...sorry to cause all the angst...but if there is more news, and i hope there will be, i might be back to say...i told you so.......

this story has more to it, but like so many we may never hear it all.

 

[not_my_kids]

i misread the mother statement sorry. the insults are the condenscending nature of such comments...what's confusing????? there is no way i can discuss it with people who have staked out a personal claim..when people bring their own facts into the discussion, not you in particular, but it is no use in posting...sorry to cause all the angst...but if there is more news, and i hope there will be, i might be back to say...i told you so.......

this story has more to it, but like so many we may never hear it all.

No one brought their own facts. People discussed the known elements of the case. This is a discussion board, after all.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I just see no point AT ALL in implying guilt or blame on a victim with no information at all to back it up.

 

[Mikebr]

No one brought their own facts. People discussed the known elements of the case. This is a discussion board, after all.

ok i am breaking my silence to address this..go read recent replies to me about stalking and see if you can find "new facts"?

But i want to do a non emotional exercise....i use to post on this board years ago...and recently started up again...i think more of this board as an amateur investigators board than any victims advocate board...though i know there is so much emotion on so many of current cases......but lets forget for second about this case in particular......


You are a detective...and a man comes into you office and says...my two dogs are missing...what would you ask next? how about, when was the last time you saw them? how do you keep them? inside? outside? chain? pen?, etc...do you think they were stolen? ok the next day this man comes back to your office and meets with your partner...and says my two dogs were poisoned....and your partner read your previous interview and says what? So you found your dogs? and they were poisoned? are they dead? how do you know they were poisoned?

Now these are all seemingly unimportant issues perhaps...but these are the types of questions i wish the press would ask...to report missing dogs in the 911 interview but a few days later poisoned dogs is very confusing to me....

Ok detective scenario two...

Woman comes in and meets with you and says...a man is stalking me.....and you say who is it? and she says..i don;t know him but i have seen him a few times.....and you say tell me how did you meet him..he came up to me two years ago at a ballgame. what did he do to make you think he was stalking? how many times did he come to your house? once. how many times did he call your house...never....how many times did he come to your job. never. how many times did he follow you around town. never. I just saw him like three times....hmmmm..ok what is your conclusion as a detective?


scenario three

Man comes into your office and says...i think someone is breaking into my house and moving things? is your lock damaged? oh i don't lock the doors. what makes you think some is coming in. oh...i have been missing pain medicine. how much pain medicine are you missing? a few pills at a time. why don't you lock your doors?

ok you see what i am getting at. there are unanswered questions...we get a strange fact but no follow up. aren't reporters suppose to help us get the whole story? why are we satisfied with strange inconsistencies in this story?

i hope i have made my point without emotion...

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It's not a victims advocates board but it is victim friendly.

LE is investigating this case. They know way more about it than you or I.
They have said she was justified in killing this man. They have never suggested she is being investigated. They have never implied she and her late husband are/were drug dealers.

From what I've read, there is no indication at all that this mother is anything but a victim.

IMO she should be respected here unless and until LE says things have changed.

 

[mysteriew]

The pill missing story is pure bunk...the dogs were first missing then she said poisoned..which is it? and she said in her latest interview when rumors started she had been having an affair with the dead kid...not true i think..but she said she did not know him, had only had 3 encounters with him...now we know according to her mom the first was at a rodeo two years before and the last was a few days before...so that leave 1 other time in two years....the last time he introduced himself...so why didn't she say..i know who you are, you are stalking me? why because that is made up...when her mother and her began to call him a stalker that congers up all kinds of visions for us...we know what a stalker is...even one of the posters in here challenged me with....she told him to stop coming over and he kept coming that is a stalker...well nowhere in any interview does it say she spoke to him other than the night he stopped by and nowhere in any interview does it say she told him to stop coming over....so how did this poster become so misinformed? because we know what a stalker is...and all you have to do is label someone that and we provide our own expected behavior...but 3 "encounters" over a two year period does not a stalker make...and so why are they trying so hard to make him out to be one? what's the point? when someone is concerned that they are not being believed that began to embellish and begin to convince rather than just relate...something is not adding up...i have my mother of the year award still undecided.

BBM

Can you link me to the article where it says she recognized him prior to the shooting? Thanks. Oh and also link me to where she called him a stalker. Not Mom, where she called him a stalked. Thanks.

 

[mysteriew]

Unless he is just robbing his drug dealer's house...there are two criminals.

Can you link me to where it spoke of her or her husband being a drug dealer?

 

[Mikebr]

BBM

Can you link me to the article where it says she recognized him prior to the shooting? Thanks. Oh and also link me to where she called him a stalker. Not Mom, where she called him a stalked. Thanks.

if you were reading with an open mind you would not me to search for the articles. the reports are reporters saying it. she said she didn't know him only saw him three times. its not for me to question the stalking report..its for the press to follow up. i am tired of trying to argue with people with political agendas. people making up stalking behavior that was never reported is whats happening here. let her set the record straight.

 

[mysteriew]

3 encounters over 2 years. If the person stared me down like I were the main course at a free buffet, three times in 20 years would be more than enough, let alone 2.

If said person followed me during the encounter, then even once would be one encounter too many.

If said person seemed to be fixated on my child during even one encounter, that would be enough.

And you know what, it doesn't matter if I have been having an affair with you, it doesn't matter if you killed my pets or if I put them down, it doesn't matter if you are a drug addict and I am your dealer, and it makes no difference what I am doing, whether I be having a party or hiding in the dark, if a person that does not live in this domicile attempts to enter the domicile without the permission of owner or resident, I can shoot them, and I can kill them. And make no mistake, I will do both.

I am glad that other women in this world are of the same mind.

The facts as they have been reported make this seem like a justifiable homicide. No one official has said different. She still has custody of the child she was protecting. She is not in jail. That says more to me about her character than does the fact that we haven't heard the whole 911 tape, or that she may have a slight discrepancies of recollections of events that happened shortly prior to a major traumatic life event. MOO.

:woohoo: :goodpost:

 

[Mikebr]

Can you link me to where it spoke of her or her husband being a drug dealer?

there is no article about her husband being a drug dealer just statements by her that she suspected someone was breaking into her house when she was gone and pills were missing...i find that strange...but this is a sleuth website not womens rights or victims rights.....and my working theory is that there are unanswered questions about this case.

I was willing to go along with all the hype in the first reports...but then i listened to her talking, and reporters saying she believed he was a stalker..then i thought when does a stalker bring a partner? then i listened to the 911 call and she never mentions being stalked since her husband's death a week before...she never mentions two men at the door..and she mentions two missing dogs...this was a few days after events...then her mother talked about stalking..all of the statements are out there...if you want to ignore it that's fine...but i am not in a pissing contest. believe what you want. there is more to this story.

 

[mysteriew]

FACT: In subsequent interviews there were allegations of stalking but all examples given were not examples of stalking...

FACT: she said she suspected that someone had been sneaking into her house stealing her husband's pain meds...but apparently never reported it..or locked her house.

FACT: on 911 she never mentions two men, nor that she had been recently stalked nor that the man was after her.

FACT: on 911 she says two dogs have come up missing, but later says they were poisoned...which is it? (rumor post that she put on her facebook page she had actually shot one of her dogs because he was having a seizure-not a verifiable fact)

FACT: this is the complete examples of stalking...mother: he followed her around at a rodeo two years ago(she would have been living with the old man then since she lived with him since she was 15)...sarah: i had seen him in town a few times...sarah: he stopped by house and introduced himself as a neighbor but left because i had company and was acting strangly......so over a two year period that equates to stalking? kidding right?

FACT: They kept oxycotin in the home and alledgedly someone was stealing it if you believe that.

FACT: intruder was after the drugs according to accomplice

FACT: Intruder tried to enter the house for over 20 minutes even though most people who thought they are trying to enter an occupied home would have to be thinking police should be on their way....does not make sense.

There are plenty of questions regarding statements made during and after the 911 call...and sleuthing is about that...maybe you don't beleive anyone should have an opinion other than yours...but i am seeing more here than you...and i want to know what it is...call me nosy...

The pill missing story is pure bunk...the dogs were first missing then she said poisoned..which is it? and she said in her latest interview when rumors started she had been having an affair with the dead kid...not true i think..but she said she did not know him, had only had 3 encounters with him...now we know according to her mom the first was at a rodeo two years before and the last was a few days before...so that leave 1 other time in two years....the last time he introduced himself...so why didn't she say..i know who you are, you are stalking me? why because that is made up...when her mother and her began to call him a stalker that congers up all kinds of visions for us...we know what a stalker is...even one of the posters in here challenged me with....she told him to stop coming over and he kept coming that is a stalker...well nowhere in any interview does it say she spoke to him other than the night he stopped by and nowhere in any interview does it say she told him to stop coming over....so how did this poster become so misinformed? because we know what a stalker is...and all you have to do is label someone that and we provide our own expected behavior...but 3 "encounters" over a two year period does not a stalker make...and so why are they trying so hard to make him out to be one? what's the point? when someone is concerned that they are not being believed that began to embellish and begin to convince rather than just relate...something is not adding up...i have my mother of the year award still undecided.

why are you sending me that interview..i was referring to the portion of the actual 911 tape that was released..she is just all fired up to shoot...she is saying all kinds of things now..that's why i am suspicious..she is lying. not sure why she has to make up so many things...pure and simple...i want to know if pills are missing....sheriff check it out. and being a 5 ft man kind of makes the mean old stalker attacking poor helpless mother story a little less dramatic...and the fb pics of her prior to the shooting pointing her gun at things..is beginning to make me think she enjoyed every minute of this...ok i said it...its her mouth that has made me feel this way...and she just keeps talking.

according to the facts there was one man trying to break into a house and one out by the fence....and her self serving statements made later is evidence of nothing..the 911 call speaks for itself. and why bring my mother into this? see that's the problem...its personal with too many people..you can't just listen to the facts..you got to make it a political cause or a personal cause...

Review all statements you can find about the alledged stalking behavior for one.....you will not find one statement made by any of her family or her or police that describes one stalking incident...all i found was a claim he was stalking her at a rodeo two years ago by her mother....then one by a family member reported he had been stalking her since her husband had died...repeated in here....but then look at other statements...she had encountered him maybe three times but did not know him..that was her latest statement....other times..i had seen him around town....i had seen him a nearby convenient store a few times...

But in here people have added their own stuff like "if some man stared at me like i was a buffet" "if someone wanted my baby" " she kept telling the mad to leave her alone but he didn't: those three statements are pure fiction and have never been alledged....

the pills missing is her story.....why?

if this kid had broken in her house before he would have taken all the pills

I am asking good questions but all i get back is attacks and insults.

if you were reading with an open mind you would not me to search for the articles. the reports are reporters saying it. she said she didn't know him only saw him three times. its not for me to question the stalking report..its for the press to follow up. i am tired of trying to argue with people with political agendas. people making up stalking behavior that was never reported is whats happening here. let her set the record straight.

BBM

Not meaning to attack or insult you. But yes I would like to follow up on statements you have made.

You are the one who keeps saying and implying that she is accusing him of stalking. I haven't seen that and would like to read that article.

You know reading back almost every post you have made you mentioned the stalking. The accusations of stalking really bug you don't they?

 

[doubt]

I think it's pretty clear he didn't take the cell phone. He made a call to it after the incident but the guy didn't answer (presumably he was already dead). Now police can't find it anywhere. It was not at the crime scene. It was not in the truck. And it was not in the home.

i don't know if he took it or not. that said, the fact that he called the missing cell phone in no way proves he doesn't know where it is.

 

[jjenny]

i don't know if he took it or not. that said, the fact that he called the missing cell phone in no way proves he doesn't know where it is.

This guy doesn't strike me as a sharpest tool in the box. His own cell phone isn't missing, and police has it, so I really fail to see as to why he wouldn't hide his own cell phone but hide the dead guy's cell phone.

 

[mysteriew]

i would want them to get their gun, dial 911 and then yell at the top of their lungs..i have a gun, i have the police on the phone and they are coming, i will kill you if you come thru that door...and if that door flew open after that i would want them to shoot..that is exactly what i would do...descretion is the better part of valor..once she let that door fly open anything could have happened...thats why the dispatcher wanted her to set off an alarm if she had one...it seemed her desire was to shoot...and she seems quite proud of herself....if it were me i would be crushed..justified but crushed. besides who wants all that blood all over the place?

I was curious to know what your answer to this would be. It is interesting to know that on your female relatives, after they have told a burglar where they were in the domicile, after they waited to see if the burglar would shoot through the home at them, after giving the burglar warning to prepare for the fact that the female relative was armed and to make preparations to shoot first, that you would then find it acceptable for the female relative to shoot. If she was still living.

 

[mysteriew]

This guy doesn't strike me as a sharpest tool in the box. His own cell phone isn't missing, and police has it, so I really fail to see as to why he wouldn't hide his own cell phone but hide the dead guy's cell phone.

I kinda get what Doubt is saying. I lose my phone sometimes. So I call it to locate it. That could explain a call by the accomplice. And the missing phone could have incriminating pictures on it, could have been stolen previously.

Another scenario could be that it isn't really missing. During a murder investigation there is a lot of traffic, a lot of confusion. It could be that one person has taken custody of the phone, and the other LE didn't know or hadn't found the paperwork yet. It happens.

 

[jjenny]

I kinda get what Doubt is saying. I lose my phone sometimes. So I call it to locate it. That could explain a call by the accomplice. And the missing phone could have incriminating pictures on it, could have been stolen previously.

Another scenario could be that it isn't really missing. During a murder investigation there is a lot of traffic, a lot of confusion. It could be that one person has taken custody of the phone, and the other LE didn't know or hadn't found the paperwork yet. It happens.

LE is specifically looking for the cell phone and laptop. They are getting search warrants to look for these items. It wasn't in the home, it wasn't in the truck, and it wasn't at the crime scene.
How incompetent would they have to be if it actually was in their possession this whole time?

 

[mysteriew]

LE is specifically looking for the cell phone and laptop. They are getting search warrants to look for these items. It wasn't in the home, it wasn't in the truck, and it wasn't at the crime scene.
How incompetent would they have to be if it actually was in their possession this whole time?

LOL believe it or not it has been known to happen. Not saying that is the problem here, and I am sure by now they have relooked at everything they took in. But it has happened in past cases.

 

[Mikebr]

I was curious to know what your answer to this would be. It is interesting to know that on your female relatives, after they have told a burglar where they were in the domicile, after they waited to see if the burglar would shoot through the home at them, after giving the burglar warning to prepare for the fact that the female relative was armed and to make preparations to shoot first, that you would then find it acceptable for the female relative to shoot. If she was still living.

that response is laughable. i would also announce it. like i said, when that door swung open, in your theory, he knew it was occupied...he could have already prepared to be shot at...and how many rounds are in that shotgun, two or three? the one she poses with is a side by side..so two...what then? she is just lucky he thought it was an empty home. Its better to leave the bad guy on the other side of the door. and letting him know you are armed and the police are on the way is going to scare the bad guy off 99% of the time....and yelling is not goint to tip him off of where she is...not that that would matter much anyway. if he was just plain crazy he might keep coming, but she could still shoot him. so yes not only do i think avoiding having to shoot is the best course of action if you can...i would practice that myself. so go ahead annie oakley get your gun.