Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018 #4

[CARIIS]

I hope you are wrong ~ and I am afraid you are right.

it is somewhat daunting that a pro did not make it i think today was a super related to a dry week

i dont think there can be any real way ( deep inside) to ascertain what the rains earlier have done deep inside it would take hours for it to leak down from the surface above the whole channel

it seems like there would be almost like a point of no return by that I mean if they get 3 hours in and deep inside the water soaking down from the surface had three hours to go down and they find the pocket holes for lack of a better word much more full do they just turn around a come all the out with noone

i found weather forecast but i cant find a radar that is current over the area to see what is happening rain wise right now

the coverage is actually getting nuttier I learned a short while ago that it is now daylight we should be getting new on the ground reports but now a lot of folks are doing packages from like yesterday

it also seems very manipulative this time lots of links are doing live links that are not live

 

[creepcrusher]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1634041306719262

Bringing this over to remind everyone who they're praying for.

 

[BUF]

Not much information coming out. It's a little too quiet out there.

 

[zencompass]

￣
Guess what everybody?!
I'm baaaaaacckkkkk....

A Miracle is still in progress!
And it's getting dicey!
For those of you who have not placed me on "ignore" yet:

It's Miracle Invocation Time once again!
So, what do we have for us today?
Today,
We have a request for YOU!
I love those Like buttons, yes I do...!
and I ask that if you might be so inclined to click that Like
-- how 'bout if you would also please - really send up a prayer; or a beam of positive energy; or a shout-out to the universe; burn some insence; caress those crystals...
I know you've already been doing that, or we wouldn't have gotten this far... but it's getting critical, so let's really really really conjure it, and release it!
Even if you don't click that Like button, because I annoy you
... say a little prayer anyway, 'cuz the only way I'm going to
shut-up is when these boys are all out safe and recovered!
So, you can help speed this up a little bit!

Just see in your mind the image of these boys' smiling faces as they are finally out; back home, eating chili pork, and KFC, and birthday cake. As their Mums are trying to keep from hugging and kissing them 1,200 times each hour...

And we must continue to give Gratitude for how far we've come...
all the little miracles along the way, to make this one huge world-changing event! Even the Martians are in on it!

Faith remaining still unwavering.
Thank you for bringing us this Miracle
Again, today, Please continue to help the rescuers.
Please continue to help these boys until they are all home, happy and safe.
Please let let this Miracle continue. NINE more to go....
Take care of those hero divers just as lovingly as they are taking care of those boys.
Please Lord until the final nine of the 13, and all rescuers are out safely!

We are grateful for all the grueling hard work of so many incredible people tirelessly making this Miracle happen! Keep them all safe!
Please keep Saman Kunan's goal alive.

And
Please. Stop. the. Rain.
～＊～

Dear Verdigris,

You are a magnificent person. You truly are.

Thank you for the spiritual Miracle Invocation Time, especially this:
"Please keep Saman Kunan's goal alive."

Namaste,

 

[Hope4More]

They may have brought in extra tanks for the final rescue operation. They know they are doing a larger rescue and would need more tanks.

Given the incredible success so far of everything the collective team has done- from lowering the water level in the cave on through bringing out the weakest of the boys, I'm sure they'll make the best decision tonight, whether it's to try to bring everyone else out, or it's to repeat the operation that worked so brilliantly last night.

 

[CARIIS]

clueless


this claims streamed live 45 min what i really want is something streamed today in daylight to see the sky!!

 

[*Verdigris]

If the first 4 were the weakest ones...then the 9 will be out soon too!

(sbm)

From your keyboard, to God's eyes!

 

[zencompass]

I am heading to bed. Can hardly keep my eyes open.

Before I fall asleep I will visualize each and every person leave that cave and come out safe and alive. Each and every person - boy, coach, diver.

I know the boys will continue to breathe out fear and breathe in calm.

Namaste,

 

[BUF]

michael safi
@safimichael
To answer Q many are asking– it is not confirmed that one of those released from cave y'day was coach Ekk. At one point in y'day press conference, acc to our translation, the leader of the operation referred to "four kids" being removed. We hope to clarify soon #thamluangcave

 

[kkdj]

Come on those that are Negative Nelly's! The kids are NOT deceased! I have seen many cases where they say "recovered" and the person is alive. Let's be positive!

recovery quite often indicates deceased in looking for missing persons, indicating they believe they are deceased.
But I think all the boys and the coach are still alive and will come out alive! This is a rescue mission not a recovery mission!

 

[Hope4More]

Thailand is a dive destination. Dive shops regularly loan tanks to other shops. I think loaners went out at request.

I'm sure they have more than enough tanks. By replacement I mean having to dive all the way back to where the boys are, then working back to their staging area, all along the way having to remove empty tanks & replacing them with full tanks.

The Thai Navy Seal who died was doing exactly that work- placing oxygen tanks, and after a guideline was already in place. There is nothing easy, quick, or safe about the work the divers have to do in between groups of the boys being rescued.

 

[creepcrusher]

recovery quite often indicates deceased in looking for missing persons.
But I think all the boys and the coach are still alive and will come out alive! This is a rescue mission not a recovery mission!

I know this. My husband is a first responder. But there are translation issues. The media keeps messing up and in the video of the boys from just a few days ago they look pretty darn good. From then they've had a doctor, medication and food. They told us when three were sick (including the coach). It makes no sense that 8 of them are now dead. That's just the fear taking over.

Now if they already dove with them secretly and 8 of them didn't make it, that would make more sense. IMO.

 

[kkdj]

I would expect that it's more his expert cave diving skills combined with having medical skills in general more than that his specialty is anethetization?

I agree he has expert diving skills but he is also an anesthesiologist. If safe, what a great way to transport the boys! But I think it has to be monitored. I've had a couple surgeries requiring anesthesia. It took an anesthesiologist there at all times to monitor.

 

[*Verdigris]

Weakest boys rescued from cave first

The weakest boys have been plucked from the depths of the Thai cave first - and they could have an Australian doctor to thank for it.

While the initial plan was to start with the strongest boys, cave diver and anaesthetist Richard Harris, 53, from Adelaide, assessed the youngsters and their coach and that strategy appears to have been reversed, Thai media has reported.

Good, because that's how I'd always felt, too.
I've said it before, but once again, I love that Aussie Doctor! Wow is he really specialized!
Fabulous that he was brought in. Truly.

 

[Hope4More]

michael safi
@safimichael
To answer Q many are asking– it is not confirmed that one of those released from cave y'day was coach Ekk. At one point in y'day press conference, acc to our translation, the leader of the operation referred to "four kids" being removed. We hope to clarify soon #thamluangcave

I don't believe for a minute the coach would have agreed to be rescued first, no matter what the doctor advised, unless he was persuaded that his not going would somehow jeopardize the overall rescue.

This is a man, after all, who is weak because he gave his food to the boys, to give them a better chance at survival.

 

[CARIIS]

This is like a word problem :

If sally lives in london
and bob is in austalia

and Billy Be Bop is in hawaii

What local time would be it for each of the following to be watching real time coverage in Thailand?

Sally ---------

BB----------

Bob

Pls note:

It is a day and a half ahead or behind in the area under review. Be sure to include this in your responses

Good luck - if you fall asleep cause in your time you have been up for 36 hours trying to figure out what time it is somewhere you will not receive credit !

 

[kkdj]

I know this. My husband is a first responder. But there are translation issues. The media keeps messing up and in the video of the boys from just a few days ago they look pretty darn good. From then they've had a doctor, medication and food. They told us when three were sick (including the coach). It makes no sense that 8 of them are now dead. That's just the fear taking over.

Now if they already dove with them secretly and 8 of them didn't make it, that would make more sense. IMO.

They're all alive imo. They are going to get them out of there.

 

[Gardener1850]

He is just being realistic. For all we know, there are deceased ones in there now.
They wouldnt announce that.....for the sake of the families as well as the living.

If they used the word 'recovery mission', then its for bodies.

There wasn't a lot going for this mission to be successful, right from the start.

Hopefully, they'll all get out. Some will be in rough shape.....just true.

I believe they are all alive and will be brought out safe. I admit that before the first 4 were rescued I had a moment of fear where I thought it possible there had been deaths in the cave and we were not being told. I mainly thought so because there were no new videos released. HOWEVER, since 4 have come out, I don't believe that they could keep it under wraps if there had been any deaths. There are too many Non-Thai divers and rescue workers that are key in this operation for them to keep something like that quiet for this long. JMO.

I think many pieces of info have slipped out that the Thai government would not have wanted to be reported at all. For example-- was there a code red or not? I think there was, but that the reporting of this was "embarrassing" and from the govt's point of view could lead to stress for the families and boys still in the cave if they heard something went wrong. So it was stifled and reported instead that they are all in good health at the hospital. Very possible that is true as well now and the code red survivor was able to be stabilized and in better condition once at the hospital. Same thing with the conflicting reports on if they brought out the weakest or the strongest first. Americans (And probably Brits and Aussies) are thinking "how great it is if the weakest were brought out first to get treatment". We are thinking in terms of medical care and what is best for each individual. Meanwhile, the Thais are probably horrified at any of the team being called "weak" (even if it means medically). Thais may be saying, "no those brought out are strong, healthy, good, okay, etc"-- because they are focusing on the positive instead of focusing on a negative word that could later bring shame on the ones first brought out. Avoiding any negatives that could get back to the rest of the group in the cave is also important to them, IMO. The group is more important than the individual in this type of culture. This is why the parents are likely quietly accepting that they cannot know which boys have come out. In American culture that would never fly (I can just hear American parents screaming at authorities to tell them where their child is or face lawsuits, lol) but in Thailand all those boys are like the children of all the parents. The parents understand the group in the cave and their community is the top priority and will wait patiently until they are told where their boys are. JMO.

 

[*Verdigris]

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It makes me anxious. They just had a Navy Seal on the live stream I was watching. He said that diving in that cave is more dangerous than climbing Everest. He said it's a big stretch to believe that there won't be any more fatalities. Way to be optimistic. The way I see it, every boy that comes out of there alive is a miracle. I still believe it's possible they'll all survive this.

Bless you creepy!
Yikes, wait - that nickname doesn't work! lol...
Neither does creep...
I'll call you cc

 

[kkdj]

I don't believe for a minute the coach would have agreed to be rescued first, no matter what the doctor advised, unless he was persuaded that his not going would somehow jeopardize the overall rescue.

This is a man, after all, who is weak because he gave his food to the boys, to give them a better chance at survival.

I believe there has been logic given to who was taken out first. That would be the ones most in need of care the soonest. It's not drawing straws. If the coach was one of the worst those in charge would make the decision who goes first. It's not up to the coach at this point. He saved the boys lives imo. I'll bet they love him and would want him to go out if he were in bad condition. This is a very brave group of young men. I believe they will all be saved and I believe they believe that too!