The elusive "other" cell phone - the Blackjack - REVISITED

[StickPoint]

Regardless of which phone used, the mobile phone company would have record of all calls/texts sent and received to that number.
She claims it was the same number.

Those incoming and outgoing telephone numbers, duration of calls, and "routes" are available.

 

[Ginny]

I never believed there was a 2nd phone. It just didn't add up:

*Wasn't it a phone that was provided by her employer (Universal)? We've already established that that couldn't have happened.

*Casey initially claimed that it was stolen from her office at Universal. Again, we know that can't be possible.

*Didn't she say that both phones shared the same number? If that's the case then there isn't any real rhyme or reason to switching SIM cards.

*She had a huge past due balance so we know AT&T wouldn't have let her upgrade her phone. Of course, she could have bought the Blackjack outright for a much higher price or stolen it.

I think the Blackjack was just an excuse as to why she didn't have ZG's phone number or call history.

 

[Theonly1]

Regardless of which phone used, the mobile phone company would have record of all calls/texts sent and received to that number.
She claims it was the same number.

Those incoming and outgoing telephone numbers, duration of calls, and "routes" are available.

I know. But do we think CASEY knew that? That's why I personally think the conversation with her and Lee regarding the "blackjack" and "switching [Sim card] back and forth" makes no sense. Sure she could have been just sending Lee on a goose chase, or maybe it was Casey-code.

 

[doortonowhere]

I never believed there was a 2nd phone. It just didn't add up:



*Didn't she say that both phones shared the same number? If that's the case then there isn't any real rhyme or reason to switching SIM cards.
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actually when you have a gsm phone you have to change the sim card back and forth, that is how the phone is recognized by the network. I unlock and program phones for people, so if it has to deal with cell phones I can tell you if it's true or not.

 

[StickPoint]

I know. But do we think CASEY knew that? That's why I personally think the conversation with her and Lee regarding the "blackjack" and "switching [Sim card] back and forth" makes no sense. Sure she could have been just sending Lee on a goose chase, or maybe it was Casey-code.

DO I think she knew that? Probably not. I think she's cunning but obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed (no pun intended).
I don't know that most folks in the world know much about what is recorded in the telecom world. I'm not saying conversations but calls out and in... JMO.

Also - for those on the wireless side... she was on AT&T. I didn't think they used SIM cards, that switching was all done through ESN. Am I wrong? I know TMobile uses SIM. Please advise.

 

[liltigress]

Some members with blackjack experience have stated that they do not hold a charge very well, just as Casey has stated.

I think there is a blackjack out there and it was hidden for a reason. I also believe it has a different account and phone number. Casey discussed how she used one SIM card in both phones and that could be because she was transferring her phone book from her old phone to the new one. I know this isn't easy to explain but it seems to be the most likely to me.

2 Accounts
2 Phone Numbers
2 SIM Cards

She stated in the 400 page discovery that she had the blackjack for work. You don't get a second phone with the same number for work. It's just not feasible.

Hypothetically... and IMOO

She has a cell phone. She has her little phonebook of friends' numbers saved to this phone's SIM card.

She gets a 2nd phone, different number and account for work.

She wants to put her old phonebook of numbers on the new phone so she takes her SIM card from her original phone with phonebook in tact and puts it in her new blackjack and saves that phonebook to her new blackjack.

Voila, she now has the same phonebook now on both phones. The only difference is, the phonebook on her original phone is stored on that SIM card, where as, the blackjack only has those numbers stored on the phone, since only one SIM card can be in a phone at one time. At that point, she very well could have went a step further and saved the numbers from the blackjack to the blackjack SIM card.

This is why she might know right off hand who's numbers were stored on the blackjack and who's were stored on SIM cards.

Whatever Casey was doing for work or why she had this blackjack, I don't believe there will be anything on it to prove Zanny's existence. I think it may provide more information as to what she was doing for work though.

And as always, this is my opinion.

 

[doogiesgirl]

This phone has been on my mind since reading the "Globe" article with RM. I wish there was a thread that asks WS's what questions they would ask all involved in this case because ONE of my questions would be to all who knew KC and spent any time around her in May and June if they ever saw KC with this blackjack phone. She tells Lee in one of the jailhouse calls to him that she bought this phone at the AT &T store and then gives him an area where the store is located but she claims she cannot think of the name of the street/road at that moment. If she ever bought this phone there would be a receipt for it and SOMEONE would have seen her use it.

 

[Laece]

just to add my two cents*, people can get new phones if they change providers or just want to buy a new phone with the same provider. it happens. i've done it, even when i owed money on my bill.

also, i have personal experience with the samsung blackjack...mine also didn't keep its charge and i got a new phone less than a month after i got the blackjack because it was so annoying. a friend of mine had the same problem.

***not sticking up for casey, by any means. just putting it out there because if there is a phone, it may help in some direction if it is found.

i always thought it was weird that she said '...that we need to find a way to recover'.

 

[STEADFAST]

I know. But do we think CASEY knew that? That's why I personally think the conversation with her and Lee regarding the "blackjack" and "switching [Sim card] back and forth" makes no sense. Sure she could have been just sending Lee on a goose chase, or maybe it was Casey-code.

She told Lee about the lost phone, but she didn't tell him it was the same number until he asked for the number of that phone. I think she was originally trying to cover for the fact that her phone wouldn't show the calls she had claimed. But she couldn't just make up a number, when pressed, because any number she made up could be so easily disproved.
I don't think she's very intelligent, really.

 

[AliVada]

But there was no work ???

So how could there be any work related calls??

 

[Vahlaria]

So many seem to believe there was truly a lost phone.

Has this ever been proven?

I for one think that there never was a second phone. Casey just claimed there was because she knew that calls she supposedly made and received between her and the imaginary nanny could never be tracked and she needed an excuse as to why.

So conveniently that phone she had only a brief while was lost. The phone was supposedly new, and yet didn't work? Then voila it was lost.

I dont't believe it ever existed, especially with her paying a bill for cell service with a stolen account (IIRC the 574 paid to att) to reestablish service. How many times can you get a new phone when you havent paid your current bill? It just doesnt fit.

I think it is bull - what do you think?

Kathy in Texas

Personally, I doubt there was a second phone, although there could have been one. If there was one, I don't believe that it didn't work. She probably just got rid of it to cover her tracks.

As far as getting a new phone when you haven't paid your current bill, Up until recently I would have agreed with that statement, but I've seen evidence (not related to this case at all) in which a person can have many accounts...especially if using a stolen account, and have many accounts with different providers.

Now that one can get a free phone, and sign up for service online, it is only up to the person's "honesty" stopping one from lying when getting several phones. The providers assume you are who you are (as long as you have cc info that they can check).

I know of someone in which come to find out have as many as oh...about four or five phones, with different numbers, in different names at once.

So...yes, I believe she could have. My big question if she did have this blackjack is what was she using it for, and what numbers were really on there.

 

[Vahlaria]

But there was no work ???

So how could there be any work related calls??

Well, what we do know as fact, is she wasn't working at Universal. We have no proof that she wasn't working at all, just that if she was working, she lied about what she was doing.

 

[liltigress]

But there was no work ???

So how could there be any work related calls??

We're not exactly sure there was no work. I have my own thoughts on the subject. It is only proven that she did not work FOR Universal.

Casey seems to have been living more than one life. Just like her being Tony's girlfriend, yet was with other guys while Tony was gone. If I said she was living a double life, I don't think I'm giving her enough credit. I'm almost seeing triple or more here.

 

[seeker78]

The blackjack was a lie of the moment, not a real long term lie in my opinion. She had thought about it enough to have put a lie about a missing cell phone together (so she could explain away not having any contact information for Zenaida), but had not thought far enough down the tracks to realize that "switching phones" would not mask numbers if it was, in fact, the same number.

When the calls weren't showing up and they asked about a different number, she then wanted to shift it to, "It was the same number, and sometimes numbers don't show up when people call" ... even Cindy bought into that. The problem is -- technology doesn't work like that. Not when you've had a nanny for 1 or 2 years and you've had regular calls and text messages, according to Casey.

 

[CarrieBean]

Did she not cash one of Amy's cheques at AT&T? Since her brother didn't seem to know anything about the Blackjack, I thought maybe that this is what the cheque was used for.

 

[liltigress]

Did she not cash one of Amy's cheques at AT&T? Since her brother didn't seem to know anything about the Blackjack, I thought maybe that this is what the cheque was used for.

She used a checking account to pay her bill online which could also carry a wire fraud charge. That is federal charges I do believe.

 

[Ginny]

Did she not cash one of Amy's cheques at AT&T? Since her brother didn't seem to know anything about the Blackjack, I thought maybe that this is what the cheque was used for.

I believe in the 400 pages document, Amy stated that there was an electronic payment to AT&T for $542 (?).

 

[AliVada]

IIRC she used routing numbers and checking info to pay though I dont recall who she stole that amount from?

Kathy

 

[CarrieBean]

I believe in the 400 pages document, Amy stated that there was an electronic payment to AT&T for $542 (?).

An e-payment from Amy's account? Will have to look a the doc. again.

 

[doortonowhere]

DO I think she knew that? Probably not. I think she's cunning but obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed (no pun intended).
I don't know that most folks in the world know much about what is recorded in the telecom world. I'm not saying conversations but calls out and in... JMO.

Also - for those on the wireless side... she was on AT&T. I didn't think they used SIM cards, that switching was all done through ESN. Am I wrong? I know TMobile uses SIM. Please advise.

AT&T is a GSM network they use Sim cards.