Posting this for discussion purposes as it may relate to HG and the couple:
TAMMI: I want to believe everything she`s saying and, you know, I`m at my house right now. I had to find a quiet room. And I`m actually in the baby`s room and all his stuff was put in the crib here. And I`m sitting here staring at his little car seat that we bought for him. And when I asked her the color of the car seat she said, I think it was tan. And I don`t know what to believe anymore. This car seat here is tan, you know? And it`s really freaking me out because I don`t know what to believe and if she`s that good of a manipulator, I don`t know I mean, I want to believe everything she`s saying. She looked so believable. I had somebody from the media in there with me and they were like, oh my gosh, she looks she`s so believable. I believe her. You know, we`re both sitting there saying, I believe her. And I just I want to believe her so badly because I want him to be alive and I want him with a family. You know, she said that we can all talk to her attorney and I asked her, can we please have a press conference tomorrow with your attorney and with a couple you know, couple people from the media? And she said absolutely, I`ll get it set up with him. And I`ve told him to tell everybody everything. And I just I want to believe this so bad, but then I talk to you guys and listen to your show and I`m so torn. I`m just so torn, Nancy.
GRACE: Well, Tammi, what was the description she gave you, as best as you can remember, verbatim, of this couple that took baby Gabriel?
SMITH: She said they were in their mid-30s, about the man was tall, not fat but kind of big. He had short, dark, really dark hair. She had long blond hair and was about her size and frame which is about 5`2″ to 5`3″, 110 to 125 pounds. And I said, well, so she looked kind of like you then, huh? And she said, well, our faces don`t look alike, but yes, she looks like me.
GRACE: What kind of car were they driving?
SMITH: I asked her that, I asked her what color was the car. She didn`t know. She said she didn`t know. She said she was in the room and they came in the room. And I said, were they loving on the baby and hugging and kissing on them like we do? And she said, well, no, because I wouldn`t let them hold him. I wouldn`t let them hold him. She said I was holding him the whole time and I was very distraught and very upset and I felt very pressured. And she said that she went ahead and signed the papers. She signed custody over to them and I asked her, was it notarized? She said no. And she said she put the baby in the car seat and they walked out the door with him.
GRACE: Can you think of anything else she said? All she can remember is the woman`s name is Sheryl?
SMITH: Right. Right. And we didn`t even talk about that today. We just talked about that in the last interview. I asked her, you know, do they drink Coke, did they drink coffee, tea? Did they have a big family? Did they have a small family? What did they tell you? And I said, you know, we talked about stuff like that. And she said, I don`t remember us talking about that stuff. And I said, Elizabeth, we sat for almost four hours in your trailer and we talked before we left with the baby. And she said, I don`t really remember I know we were there for a long time but I don`t remember what we talked about. So she`s not remembering what we have talked about. I am not a psychiatrist, but I`m starting to see does she have some kind of a multiple personality that she can possibly remember parts but doesn`t remember all?
GRACE: OK, Tammi. She`s also saying the FBI has video of this couple. Where did the video come from?
SMITH: Her attorney is telling her that she said that her attorney said the FBI has videotape of the couple leaving with the baby.
GRACE: Where did this video allegedly come from? The hotel?
SMITH: I don`t know. I`m guessing obviously the hotel. But everyone that I speak to has no such video.
GRACE: Now, which hotel would it have been? The one where she was listed under the fake name or the real name?
SMITH: She told me that she was only in one hotel. And I told her that there is witnesses that she had two hotels and she swears that that wasn`t true and, of course, I didn`t believe her. You know? But and I and she even told me about I asked her about the fake license. She laughed about it and swore that that wasn`t true. And you know, I don`t know what to think about that because that just sounds stupid, you know?
GRACE: OK, Tammi, when you spoke to her the first time, didn`t she tell you the only thing she remembered is that the woman`s name is Sheryl? Didn`t she tell you that?
SMITH: Yes.
GRACE: And now she`s remembering all this? Did she explain the sudden jog of memory?
SMITH: Yes. She told me that she didn`t want to say anything until she had an attorney. So that she could tell her attorney and I`m guessing it`s because she already knew she was in deep trouble.
TPS is a common criminal, and I do view what she says in that light. It's a balancing act for sure trying to figure which are the grains of truth in what she says.
