The Pineapple

[BBB167893]

BlueCrab! Hello!

Listen, you and i have spoken before about JB being molested prior to the murder. Think that will have any importance in the future?

 

[Scout]

From the Steve Thomas book "JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation" (page 215, paperpack edition). This was during a visit to the Ramsey house July 2, 1997:

"It was on that table (in the family breakfast room) that police found the porcelain bowl containing fresh pineapple and bearing the fingerprints of Patsy and Burke. To me, that connected Patsy to pineapple, and pineapple was found in JonBenet's stomach, and one plus one equals two. I came to believe Patsy had given JonBenet pineapple that night.
Our experts studied the pineapple in the stomach and reported that it was fresh-cut pineapple, consistent down to the rind with what was found in the bowl. It was solid proof it wasn't canned pineapple, and what were the chances that an intruder would have brought in a fresh pineapple to cut up for his victim?
At lunch we had our sandwiches at that table while trying to convince Lou Smit of the connection between the mother's fingerprints on the bowl and the pineapple remains found in the child's body. He countered that a crime scene photo showed a Tupperware container in a paper sack in JonBenet's bedroom, and he believes the contents of that plastic bowl might have been pineapple.
Maybe she got up during the night and ate the pineapple in her room, he said, giving us an unlikely alternative. The Tupperware container, never siezed, was long gone, and the grainy photo on which he relied was totally inconlclusive. I thought the material could have been popcorn, maybe beads, certainly not unrefrigerated pineapple. Perhaps, Smit argued, if she knew the intruder, he might have fed her. "Maybe Santa," he ventured."

Just because prints are on the bowl does not prove that the leaver of the prints also served the contents. It could have been an empty bowl.

Considering those prints a solid link between Patsy Ramsey and the pineapple is absurd. It's a prime example of Steve Thomas' complete lack of objectivity in investigating this case. I would expect that my fingerprints are on every dish, bowl, glass, pot, pan, etc, etc, etc in my kitchen cabinets.

 

[ljwf22]

Considering those prints a solid link between Patsy Ramsey and the pineapple is absurd. It's a prime example of Steve Thomas' complete lack of objectivity in investigating this case. I would expect that my fingerprints are on every dish, bowl, glass, pot, pan, etc, etc, etc in my kitchen cabinets.

True, I wonder if there was a spoon or fork with JonBenet's prints on it?

I really wonder if anyone involved in this investigation was truly objective. It's an emotional case for everyone. I hope the true culprit is caught and all agree to his/her/their guilt.

 

[BBB167893]

Except that she claimed not to know anything about it, Scout.

 

[ljwf22]

Considering those prints a solid link between Patsy Ramsey and the pineapple is absurd. It's a prime example of Steve Thomas' complete lack of objectivity in investigating this case. I would expect that my fingerprints are on every dish, bowl, glass, pot, pan, etc, etc, etc in my kitchen cabinets.

I also feel Lou Smit's linking the pineapple to a Tupperware container in JonBenet's bedroom is an example of his lack of objectivity. Sure wish the FBI would have led the investigation from the getgo.

 

[Scout]

Except that she claimed not to know anything about it, Scout.

The pineapple or the bowl?

 

[BBB167893]

Both, if memory serves.

 

[BlueCrab]

Just because prints are on the bowl does not prove that the leaver of the prints also served the contents.

ljwf22,

The bowl of pineapple, from which JonBenet snacked about one to two hours before she died, had Patsy's and Burke's fingerprints on it. Patsy's prints would be on it because, at a previous time, it would have been she who had removed the bowl from the dishwasher and stored it in the overhead cabinet in the kitchen. It's not likely that Burke does the dishes. Therefore, it's likely that it was Burke who, after the parents had gone to bed, got the bowl down from the cabinet, placed fresh pineapple in it, and put the bowl of pineapple on the table.

But there was also a waterglass with a spent tea bag in it sitting out on the same table. Burke's fingerprints were on the waterglass. Burke was the resident tea drinker. This affirms that it was probably Burke who was sitting at the table with JonBenet in the middle of the night about one or two hours before she died -- JonBenet snacking on pineapple and Burke sipping on tea.

Thus, it appears that JonBenet and Burke, for some reason or another, were sitting together at the breakfast room table in the middle of the night. Why? Were they waiting for someone they know to show up outside so they could let him into the house? Were they waiting for John Mark Karr?

BlueCrab

 

[tumble]

The pineapple or the bowl?

Nor the spoon, she woudn't do a setup like that and neither would the kids according to her.

 

[Scout]

All I'm saying is if the bowl came from the Ramseys' cabinet (or even somewhere else in the house) it would be natural for Patsy's fingerprints to be on it. When you put away clean dishes, your fingerprints are going to be on said dishes. It doesn't seem out of the norm for Burke's prints to be on there either. Children often help their parents unload the dishwasher. Were JonBenet's prints on the bowl, as well?

 

[ljwf22]

ljwf22,

The bowl of pineapple, from which JonBenet snacked about one to two hours before she died, had Patsy's and Burke's fingerprints on it. Patsy's prints would be on it because, at a previous time, it would have been she who had removed the bowl from the dishwasher and stored it in the overhead cabinet in the kitchen. It's not likely that Burke does the dishes. Therefore, it's likely that it was Burke who, after the parents had gone to bed, got the bowl down from the cabinet, placed fresh pineapple in it, and put the bowl of pineapple on the table.

But there was also a waterglass with a spent tea bag in it sitting out on the same table. Burke's fingerprints were on the waterglass. Burke was the resident tea drinker. This affirms that it was probably Burke who was sitting at the table with JonBenet in the middle of the night about one or two hours before she died -- JonBenet snacking on pineapple and Burke sipping on tea.

Thus, it appears that JonBenet and Burke, for some reason or another, were sitting together at the breakfast room table in the middle of the night. Why? Were they waiting for someone they know to show up outside so they could let him into the house? Were they waiting for John Mark Karr?

BlueCrab

Hmmm.......more food for thought. This puzzle seems to have a never-ending number of pieces.

 

[BBB167893]

JB's prints were NOT on it.

 

[Zelda]

A fresh pineapple is diffult to cut. You need a sharp knife to cut through the
pineapple's shell. It takes some strength to cut.
I can't see either Burke or Jon Benet forcing a knife through the pinepple.
And I can't see two kids, or even just Jon Benet, eating fresh pineapple as a midnight snack.
Until recently I thought it was canned pineapple in a container in the refrigerator.

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab! Hello!

Listen, you and i have spoken before about JB being molested prior to the murder. Think that will have any importance in the future?

SuperDave,

Definitely. There is indisputable autopsy evidence that JonBenet had been sexually abused prior to the murder. The chronic injuries to the vagina were affirmed by a panel of nationally recognized medical experts who studied the autopsy and the slide specimens taken by coroner John Meyer.

Whether John Karr is innocent or guilty will not end the investigation. The acute (night of the crime) injuries to JonBenet's vagina were at the same seven o'clock position in the vagina as were the chronic (several days prior to the crime) injuries. This suggests that the same person inflicted both the acute and the chronic injuries.

BlueCrab

 

[BBB167893]

Thanks, BlueCrab.

 

[BlueCrab]

A fresh pineapple is diffult to cut. You need a sharp knife to cut through the
pineapple's shell. It takes some strength to cut.
I can't see either Burke or Jon Benet forcing a knife through the pinepple.
And I can't see two kids, or even just Jon Benet, eating fresh pineapple as a midnight snack.
Until recently I thought it was canned pineapple in a container in the refrigerator.

Zelda,

The pineapple was definitely fresh. Patsy would purchase fresh pineapple from Safeway which the store cuts up and puts into plastic containers.

BlueCrab

 

[tri2005]

i don't think jbr went downstairs to eat pineapple alone. she was afraid to even get up alone and go the bathroom never mind go all the way down to the kitchen alone.

burke's prints were also on the bowl.

burke's hiking shoe has disappeared but it was the same brand as the fresh shoe print next to her body.

i still hope its creepy man but i doubt it.:twocents:
tri

 

[Scout]

JB's prints were NOT on it.

Which indicates that someone else prepared and fed her the pineapple. Someone who bound her hands and wore gloves, IMO. Not a family member.

 

[Kimmer]

These are some things that have been going thru my mind since the info broke yesterday..If he had access to the house for most of the time that the Ramsey's were at the Whites, could he not have found some banking records that show a deposit that was made of the $118,000.00 and therefore that is where he got the reference to that amount of money.

If he put poision in the pineapple and thought he fed enough of it to her to feel like he had poisioned her but it wasnt enought to show up in her body (plus there are alot of poinsions that do not show up in a regular autopsy maybe it was a poision that you would specifically need to test for).

And dont bash me for this one cause it is just my opinion, but this perp does not look healthy at all, could it be that with risky sexual behavior that he may have contracted HIV and for that reason he wanted all to be known before something happens to him.

Do we know for sure that there were never any snail mail correspondence with the Ramseys from this guy? If there were why could they not check where the envelope had been licked for a DNA match before going to Bancock, or why not send investigators there months ago to obtain something from him after tailing him that they could already have the DNA testing done before detaining him.

I know there are wackos out there that want there 15 min of fame but in 10 years this is the first one to come forward and say he was in the basement with her when she died and that no one else was with him.

I think we have the right guy we just need to get some questions answered and the sooner the better but after 10 years I think we just need to be paitient that the investigation from here on out is done clean.

JMHO
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[BBB167893]

"could he not have found some banking records that show a deposit that was made of the $118,000.00 and therefore that is where he got the reference to that amount of money."

I guess, but undetected for all that time to do all of that violates Locard's Principle.

"The pineapple was definitely fresh. Patsy would purchase fresh pineapple from Safeway which the store cuts up and puts into plastic containers."

Right.

BlueCrab, you and I have been acknowledged! Wendy Murphy was just on "Tucker" and reminded the audience about the old vaginal injuries!

"i don't think jbr went downstairs to eat pineapple alone. she was afraid to even get up alone and go the bathroom never mind go all the way down to the kitchen alone. burke's prints were also on the bowl. burke's hiking shoe has disappeared but it was the same brand as the fresh shoe print next to her body."

Right, tri2005.

"Which indicates that someone else prepared and fed her the pineapple. Someone who bound her hands and wore gloves, IMO. Not a family member."

Well, remember, she couldn't REACH the bowl, Scout. And lack of fingerprints doesn't prove it one way or the other. It's the pineapple itself that's the key.