The Pineapple

[Wrinkles]

To those who are remembering the past sexual injuries on this child, as well as the fresh shoe print of a brand the same as Burkes... A few questions...

1. How old was Burke at the time?

2. Was there only "one" shoe print? Was it the same size, or close to the same size as Burke's?

3. Why would someone "feed" Jon Benet the pineapple? Couldn't she have just picked it up with her fingers and eaten it?

Oh...in another thread, someone said that the Ramsey's had an open house prior to Christmas and that "thousands" came? Was this something "open to the public"? If so, why?

Wrinkles
PS. Thanks for sharing information

 

[BBB167893]

"1. How old was Burke at the time?"

Nine or so.

"2. Was there only "one" shoe print? Was it the same size, or close to the same size as Burke's?"

The PIs claim that there was another one, but no one else claims that.

"3. Why would someone "feed" Jon Benet the pineapple? Couldn't she have just picked it up with her fingers and eaten it?"

No clear answer.

 

[Wrinkles]

Thanks SuperDave!

Was there no shoe size given for the print? i.e. the indication appears to be that either Burke was near the body at some point in time? or someone with the same brand of shoe was?

Was the floor so clean, or was it of the type that no other shoe prints were obvious? Do you know?

Thanks in advance,

Wrinkles

 

[Scout]

Well, remember, she couldn't REACH the bowl, Scout. And lack of fingerprints doesn't prove it one way or the other. It's the pineapple itself that's the key.

What does that mean...couldn't reach the bowl? Couldn't reach it in the cabinet? If that's what you mean, I have to assume that you have no children.

As for the pineapple being key, I consider it only an indication that JonBenet's killer thought he was being kind, considerate and nurturing of her -- They were sharing a nice little snack. -- until he killed her, that is.

 

[JDB]

If she got up to eat something and was grabbed at that time by an intruder (Karr?), how could she have alerted her parents if a hand was placed over her mouth & she was overpowered, etc? JMO...

I am sure a little noise would be made when who ever did this did it.
As much as we want closure on this one. I still feel Karr did not do this. He was a psyco yes.As much as he also followed Polly's case it what gets me. If Davis had not taken the police to where Polly was who know Karr might have confessed to that also.He read to many books . He wants his 15 mins.

 

[BBB167893]

"Thanks SuperDave!

Was there no shoe size given for the print? i.e. the indication appears to be that either Burke was near the body at some point in time? or someone with the same brand of shoe was?

Was the floor so clean, or was it of the type that no other shoe prints were obvious? Do you know?"

Well, it wasn't really a shoe print, it was a print of the logo on the sole, and they don't KNOW when it was left.

"What does that mean...couldn't reach the bowl? Couldn't reach it in the cabinet? If that's what you mean, I have to assume that you have no children."

No, I mean, and this was corroborated, she couldn't reach it on the table. And you're right: I have no children.

"As for the pineapple being key, I consider it only an indication that JonBenet's killer thought he was being kind, considerate and nurturing of her -- They were sharing a nice little snack. -- until he killed her, that is."

Well, why would she eat it? For me, considering that the Ramseys claimed that JB didn't wake up on the way home, but Burke said she was awake, it doesn't add up.

 

[windovervocalcords]

"Thanks SuperDave!

Was there no shoe size given for the print? i.e. the indication appears to be that either Burke was near the body at some point in time? or someone with the same brand of shoe was?

Was the floor so clean, or was it of the type that no other shoe prints were obvious? Do you know?"

Well, it wasn't really a shoe print, it was a print of the logo on the sole, and they don't KNOW when it was left.

"What does that mean...couldn't reach the bowl? Couldn't reach it in the cabinet? If that's what you mean, I have to assume that you have no children."

No, I mean, and this was corroborated, she couldn't reach it on the table. And you're right: I have no children.

"As for the pineapple being key, I consider it only an indication that JonBenet's killer thought he was being kind, considerate and nurturing of her -- They were sharing a nice little snack. -- until he killed her, that is."

Well, why would she eat it? For me, considering that the Ramseys claimed that JB didn't wake up on the way home, but Burke said she was awake, it doesn't add up.

Life is just a bowl of cherries. Hmm, or was it pinapple?

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

"Heck, I even think that a drug could've been administered to her and they purposely left that out of the tox report in the autopsy."

I don't think you can lie in an official document.

You can't leave stuff out of an offical document, but you can redact it. Which means people know by looking at the document that something's been censored.

 

[BBB167893]

That's the key, Billy! A judge back in 1997 ordered them to release the full version.

 

[Wrinkles]

Per the shoe print, article dated 08/19/06 at the following page:

http://www.courttv.com/archive/news/2002/0823/benet_ap.html

"Investigators have concluded that both a palm print and a footprint found in the home of JonBenet Ramsey were actually made by family members, not an intruder as some have suggested, the Rocky Mountain News reported Friday."

"A footprint found in mold on the floor of the Ramseys' wine cellar, near where the girl's body was found, was linked by investigators to her then-9-year-old brother, Burke. Burke, now 15, has long since been cleared by authorities."

also...

"Attorney Lin Wood of Atlanta, who represents JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, said his clients do not dispute the palm-print findings, but he said the family disagrees that the footprint came from Burke.

'Burke Ramsey does not and has never owned a pair of quote, unquote, trademarked Hi-Tec sneakers that the Ramseys are aware of,' he said. 'I would think they know what shoes he has owned.' "

 

[Wrinkles]

Hmmm... Wondering what shoe size that was... And how many people with that shoe size would be in that wine cellar.

 

[Lurker Steve]

OK, so there seems to be suspicions that Patsy lied about the pineapple and Burke (or the parents) lied about the shoeprint.

Why?

Would Patsy have buying pineapple implicated her in the murder? No. The fruit could have been fed to her by anyone, including an intruder.

Would Burke's shoeprints in the basement be suspicious? No, it was their house after all. I'm guessing (and I will admit to not being familiar with all aspects of the case) that Burke had small feet and thus small shoes - he was 9 after all. Shoeprints made by an intruder would likely be adult size. Just looking at the size of the shoeprint would exclude Burke.

So what would be their motivation to lie?

 

[tumble]

OK, so there seems to be suspicions that Patsy lied about the pineapple and Burke (or the parents) lied about the shoeprint.

Why?

Would Patsy have buying pineapple implicated her in the murder? No. The fruit could have been fed to her by anyone, including an intruder.

Would Burke's shoeprints in the basement be suspicious? No, it was their house after all. I'm guessing (and I will admit to not being familiar with all aspects of the case) that Burke had small feet and thus small shoes - he was 9 after all. Shoeprints made by an intruder would likely be adult size. Just looking at the size of the shoeprint would exclude Burke.

So what would be their motivation to lie?

It seems JBR was awake when they got home from the Whites. Burke said JBR walked up the strairs in from of him when they got home.


Would Patsy have buying pineapple implicated her in the murder

This does not make sense to me. When do you suggest she bought the pineapple and in what purpose?

PR could have a reason to lie if something happend that evening she does not want to talk about.

 

[Lurker Steve]

It seems JBR was awake when they got home from the Whites. Burke said JBR walked up the strairs in from of him when they got home.

If the footprints were dated to the exact time of break-in and murder, then yes. The reason the police think that is because no one in the house wore those shoes.

And, because of shoe size, it's not like denying they are Burke's buys you anything. Unless you are contending that the intruder wore size 6's.

Would Patsy have buying pineapple implicated her in the murder

This does not make sense to me. When do you suggest she bought the pineapple and in what purpose?

PR could have a reason to lie if something happend that evening she does not want to talk about.

True, but why lie about the purchase of pineapple? It wasn't the murder weapon.

In other words: either PR bought the pineapple or she didn't. Either choice doesn't really change the chances of whether an intruder killed her or not.

 

[tumble]

Lurker:
Maybe she just forgot about the pineapple.
Saying JBR was asleep when they got home caught her in a lie.

 

[Lurker Steve]

Lurker:
Maybe she just forgot about the pineapple.
Saying JBR was asleep when they got home caught her in a lie.

Let me try to rephrase:
If you are a murderer and being interrogated by police, you have a choice (when the police ask you a specific question) over whether to tell the truth, or lie.
If the police catch you in a lie, they're going to suspect you.
If you tell the truth, the police are going to tend to believe you.

So you want to tell the truth when you can. That means anything either innocuous (not tied to the murder) or unverifiable by others. It also means you have to keep track of fewer lies (since the police will ask multiple questions about the same thing, to try to catch inconsistencies.)


In that case, why lie about JBR being asleep when they got home, as opposed to saying that she was awake, had some pineapple, then went to sleep?

What does lying about that buy PR or JR?

In other words, does JBR being awake or asleep when they get home have any real impact on whether the Ramsey's could have killed her? No.

But LYING about it does.

Also, if PR did buy pineapple around this time, wouldn't someone who saw her buying it at the local grocery store have come forward by now? She had to get it somewhere.

 

[BBB167893]

"'Burke Ramsey does not and has never owned a pair of quote, unquote, trademarked Hi-Tec sneakers that the Ramseys are aware of,' he said. 'I would think they know what shoes he has owned.' "

Except that Fleet White 3 said they were his in his GJ testimony.

"Would Burke's shoeprints in the basement be suspicious?"

They wouldn't, LS. That's not the point. The point is, they were his, not an intruder's.

 

[tumble]

In other words, does JBR being awake or asleep when they get home have any real impact on whether the Ramsey's could have killed her? No.

But LYING about it does.

As I said, Burke said JB was awake when they got home from the Whites. Ergo they were lying. Why? Hope we will know someday.

 

[Toltec]

Come on folks! John said that he and Patsy had never met Karr, and you expect JonBenet to sit at the breakfast table with this stranger and eat pineapple!!!

JR: ...she used to be not afraid of the dark or anything at all, and then she was growing up a little bit and getting afraid of the dark. If the intruder somehow - well, that just doesn't make sense.

I mean JonBenet was a smart, strong little girl. And if she had the opportunity to scream and to kick and fight, she would have done that. No question in my mind. So I don't buy that, you know, an intruder sat her down and fed her pineapple.

 

[kcksum]

An intruder sitting in the kitchen feeding pineapple to JBR while the parents sleep upstairs sound just too strange to me.

one of the men who came into my home and committed a violent home invasion sat in my kitchen and ate a bowl of fruity pebbles cereal from my house while myself and three children were gagged and bound on the floor and while the other offender had my husband out of the house at gunpoint to get money from an atm. you never know what these sicko's will do. I will forever believe that criminals are sick enough to do just about anything