The Science Fair-IB Expo and the Electric Project

[Calliope]

The father of missing second-grader Kyron Horman said Thursday that his marriage to the boy's stepmom began to grow rocky after she gave birth to their little girl 19 months ago.

"I thought the marriage was doing pretty well," Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, "until we had our daughter, K."

But he doesn't elaborate. Could it be that Terri was suffering from PPD? If so, was she being treated? IIRC, around the time of Kyron's birth is when his marriage to Desiree hit the rocks, too.

Horman, standing on a wooded road in Adidas running shoes, was stoic when considering his troubles.

"It's gotta happen to somebody," he said.

WTH ?? That's a very strange comment, to say the least.

Kaine Horman added that he was upset about Terri occupying the family home, keeping him and his daughter out of it.

Then he (or rather his attorney) should have requested her ouster. That's all it would have taken to force her out of the home --- it would have been mandatory.

http://www.oregon.gov/OJD/docs/OSCA/cpsd/courtimprovement/familylaw/FAPA_Benchguide_4-24-06.pdf

A. Mandatory (Not Discretionary) Relief

The court must order the following relief if:

• A petitioner with an eligible relationship requests it;
and

• The court finds, at the hearing, that
respondent abused petitioner within the
preceding 180 days; and

• petitioner is in imminent danger of further
abuse by respondent and that respondent
represents a credible threat to the physical
safety of petitioner or petitioner’s child

3. Ouster
Require respondent to move from petitioner's residence
if:

a. the residence is solely in petitioner's name;
b. the parties jointly own or rent the residence; or
c. the parties are married to each other.

As far as baby being present, I wonder if he knows this from LE or it's just what he believes to be the case. If he heard that from LE, perhaps he shouldn't have said anything.

 

[RubyRed]

This is shocking. I think many of us have wondered where the little girl was that morning. For me this is another thing in Terri's favor of her not having done anything to Kyron.

This video is very difficult to watch. What on earth is going on?

For all we know she got out of the car with Kyron, set him up on the bridge, and pushed him into a river. Baby still in the car. Would have taken 2 minutes. Or the baby could have been right there too. This is no way absolves Terri of anything.

bbm

This is just your opinion, right? When I read your post I thought I had missed this in the video.So I watched the video again and it is not in there. That's if the video below is the one you are referring to.

http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/07/kyron_hormans_parents_share_de.html

 

[AbbieNormal]

I guess it could go either way. I mean if there was a helper wouldn't they have weeded them out by now? They found her landscaper from 7 months ago and LE contacted another landscaper that tried to call TH about a bid but she never contacted him back. They are going through everyone she ever spoke with it seems. Maybe a girlfriend that she talks to regularly? Maybe told her that she needed to protect Kyron by getting him away? I'm just grasping here.
I also think she could have taken him from the science fair, drove him someplace and hurt him and hid him, baby or no baby. If she is the kind of person that could do that I don't supposed she would worry about a little toddler who can't talk yet.

A 19 month old can talk- not really well but all my grandkids said words at 19 months. Certainly she is no good for asking any questions about what she maybe saw/ heard...and thank the Lord she is so young she might not remember anything she might have seen. What ever happened to the babysitter story,did it just go ka-put? Why didn't anyone at the school (PTA President, etc) who saw Terri mention she had baby K with her also? Or, did they mentio9n it but Le did not release that info to "us"?

Oh, this gets creepier and creepier.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

IF Baby K was with TH that morning, I don't think it means AT ALL she didn't hurt Kyron. It tells me that she thought having K with her would make her look innocent.

It makes complete sense those who have suggested LE left out the tidbit about K that morning to weed out "real" witnesses -- BUT I'm really surprised TH never said anything in the media. When asked what they did that morning, why did TH never say "We took him to the science fair", "We waved goodbye", "He went up one hall, we went up another"? I mean, even a slip up? I just don't know about it.

But he doesn't elaborate. Could it be that Terri was suffering from PPD? If so, was she being treated? IIRC, around the time of Kyron's birth is when his marriage to Desiree hit the rocks, too.

This reminds me of a case a few/several years ago. Can't remember where. A young mother took her 3 & 6 y/o boys for a car ride. Stopped in a field and left with the 6 y/o - he never came back. Mom tried to say he ran away or was kidnapped and it was the 3 y/o who told LE "I woke up and saw mommy carrying him away and mommy came back without him".

It's sad, but it happens.

After being analyzed, PHD's decided she had suffered from severe ppd with the 2nd one, rendering her with no attachment to him. She felt attachment with the older one, giving her the ability to "save him" from a horrible life. The ppd kept her from feeling the need to do so with the baby. Lucky for the baby, I guess -- so very, very sad.

 

[ella971]

I have a question. Do you think it's possible that T harmed K? TIA

 

[Calliope]

IF Baby K was with TH that morning, I don't think it means AT ALL she didn't hurt Kyron. It tells me that she thought having K with her would make her look innocent.

It makes complete sense those who have suggested LE left out the tidbit about K that morning to weed out "real" witnesses -- BUT I'm really surprised TH never said anything in the media. When asked what they did that morning, why did TH never say "We took him to the science fair", "We waved goodbye", "He went up one hall, we went up another"? I mean, even a slip up? I just don't know about it.




This reminds me of a case a few/several years ago. Can't remember where. A young mother took her 3 & 6 y/o boys for a car ride. Stopped in a field and left with the 6 y/o - he never came back. Mom tried to say he ran away or was kidnapped and it was the 3 y/o who told LE "I woke up and saw mommy carrying him away and mommy came back without him".

It's sad, but it happens.

After being analyzed, PHD's decided she had suffered from severe ppd with the 2nd one, rendering her with no attachment to him. She felt attachment with the older one, giving her the ability to "save him" from a horrible life. The ppd kept her from feeling the need to do so with the baby. Lucky for the baby, I guess -- so very, very sad.

bbm

I haven't heard Terri speak at all.

 

[liz b.]

ITA.The baby was asleep, or hoping she was. I was thinking about the pings which led LE to SI. To bad it had to rain heavy the next day,maybe LE could have gotten tire tracks. Oh my heart just breaks with the maybes, the what if's. Im sure KY is thinking the same, if I only would have gone to the science fair.

Where are you sweetie?

I posted about the cell phone pings at the very beginning of the case. I was just speculating. Has LE ever come out and mentioned cell phone pings as being any part of their investigation ? Anyone smart enough to plan a possible murder would also very probably think to turn off their cell phone.

All JMO

 

[ClueMeIn]

This is shocking. I think many of us have wondered where the little girl was that morning. For me this is another thing in Terri's favor of her not having done anything to Kyron.

This video is very difficult to watch. What on earth is going on?

For all we know she got out of the car with Kyron, set him up on the bridge, and pushed him into a river. Baby still in the car. Would have taken 2 minutes. Or the baby could have been right there too. This is no way absolves Terri of anything.

bbm

This is just your opinion, right? When I read your post I thought I had missed this in the video.So I watched the video again and it is not in there. That's if the video below is the one you are referring to.

I bolded the operative words.

 

[matou]

I just read this and I don't know if it's been posted yet but Desiree stated that Kyron was marked absent at 10 a.m.

"I said, 'What in the hell is going on?' She informed me that she had gone to the science fair that morning and she did not walk into his classroom, but saw him walk toward his classroom and that was the last she saw him," Young told CNN. "He was marked absent at 10."

http://www.kptv.com/news/24197226/detail.html

 

[tehcloser]

Ok....Hold the door. What is this?

Young also said she suspects that Terri Horman did not act alone.

CNN: "Do you think she would have done this alone?"
Desiree Young: "I don't believe so because honestly she didn't take out a contract on her husband alone, so I think she probably needed help. But that's speculation. It's not proven and I don't have any evidence to say that's the case, but I think it helps me feel better about the situation if that's the case.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24197226/detail.html



Is she saying there was someone else besides TH and the landscaper involved with the MFH?????????????

 

[CathyinTexas]

I would like to think that this means she didn't hurt him, that she handed him off to be held somewhere, but she did try to hire someone to kill KH, so is seems quite possible that she could do the same for Little Kyron.

It just never occured to me that Baby K could have been there! That is a shocking revelation!

DY seems to trust her gut instincts about TH, such as that she is lying, something doesn't add up, etc. So it is possible that the leads they do have combined with her gut instincts indicates that KH is alive. I hope and pray that he is.

 

[Boo Scout]

Ok....Hold the door. What is this?

Young also said she suspects that Terri Horman did not act alone.

CNN: "Do you think she would have done this alone?"
Desiree Young: "I don't believe so because honestly she didn't take out a contract on her husband alone, so I think she probably needed help. But that's speculation. It's not proven and I don't have any evidence to say that's the case, but I think it helps me feel better about the situation if that's the case.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24197226/detail.html



Is she saying there was someone else besides TH and the landscaper involved with the MFH?????????????

I think she's speculating that TH had help with Kyron's disappearance, and comparing it to the MFH plot. Saying she sought help with MFH so it makes sense she'd seek help with this as well. MOO.

 

[Donjeta]

If the baby was there with her it might actually have made it easier to slip out with Kyron unnoticed. She could have taken care to be seen leaving the school with the baby, no Kyron, left her in the vehicle and come back for Kyron. Or someone might have seen her leave with the baby and the boy and with the baby stealing the attention, maybe they might have taken them for two young siblings of a child in school and didn't wonder why a pupil was leaving in the middle of the school day.

Was Kyron big, small or average for his age?

 

[Calliope]

If the baby was there with her it might actually have made it easier to slip out with Kyron unnoticed. She could have taken care to be seen leaving the school with the baby, no Kyron, left her in the vehicle and come back for Kyron. Or someone might have seen her leave with the baby and the boy and with the baby stealing the attention, maybe they might have taken them for two young siblings of a child in school and didn't wonder why a pupil was leaving in the middle of the school day.

Was Kyron big, small or average for his age?

I think he's rather small; not much bigger than my 4 year old grandson.

she could have carried baby and put Kyron in a stroller covered in blankets or jackets.

 

[x_files]

electric projects or cool electric things to show a child:

• taser gun
• electric dam on Sauvie Island
• promise to show him a cool project somewhere ese

used to lure him off school grounds by a stranger, acquaintance or family member.

 

[Haeve]

electric projects or cool electric things to show a child:

• taser gun
• electric dam on Sauvie Island
• promise to show him a cool project somewhere ese

used to lure him off school grounds by a stranger, acquaintance or family member.

BBM

AFAIK, there's no electric dam on Sauvie Island, at least not one of any size. Do you of one? It think if there were any, it would have to be micro hydro setup, and I just don't think that would be very impressive. They could have lied to Kyron, but I bet he would know what was or was not on Sauvie Island.

 

[kappy50]

This may have been asked and answered, if so I apologize...but how far in advance did the students have to prepare for this Science Fair ? I looked on the school's calendar and could not find it. Actually, the only thing posted for that day was the talent show.

 

[xin]

Bonneville Dam is about 40 miles up the Columbia River East of Portland. Is there some link to it with the case? Ta

I've wondered about that, in fact, a lot. It is pretty spectacular place, and in checking it out I noticed that TH had done an electricity curriculum project on Bonneville. Otherwise, from Sauvie, one can see big mills across the river.

 

[kappy50]

Is there anyway to find out how much time frame these children had to do the science fair...I really think that is important...can we find that out I do not know....other than checking with a school official...

 

[Noway]

Why were Kaine and Terri the only parents in KP's classroom who didn't know when they were supposed to pick up the projects?

I say this because of the photo of Kyron's project in the empty classroom (photo taken June 5).