The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #17 *ADULT CONTENT*

[BD1]

Yeah, what is a natural man? Is it code for something, like horny? They do throw that phrase around.

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/natural-man?lang=eng

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I noticed that too with the one interview with one of his acquaintances.. he called it "the natural man"

he kept saying travis listened to his "natural man"

very interesting bodyfx (and welcome :rocker

That isn't just Mormon saying. It's the natural man that fights against his inner spiritual man.


it's the little red devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other. We all have had those same thoughts. Some you resit some, you don't. Doesn't make you a bad person.

 

[Snoopy1]

Ok I think I'm getting in

:great::great::great::great:

Im about to pee my pants just reading that! I wish I was you today!!!

 

[PASA]

Ok I think I'm getting in

Woohoo!! :woohoo:

 

[nursebeeme]

I found this on the "natural man"

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/natural-man?lang=eng

basically someone who gives into desires?

 

[bodyfx]

I noticed that too with the one interview with one of his acquaintances.. he called it "the natural man"

he kept saying travis listened to his "natural man"

very interesting bodyfx (and welcome :rocker

Thanks for the great Welcome! :blushing:
I have been lurking and finally have a day off to be able to watch and respond.

Being raised a Jehovah's Witness, I 'get' the fact Mormons have their own words and phrases - though I don't understand their language, I do understand the conflict Travis was having and his need to keep quiet regarding Jodi PLUS why he did not go to police. If they are like JW's, it is very frowned upon and I was SOOO not supported when I charged (formally with police) my husband at the time, with 3 counts of assault. His side of the court room was loaded with 'supporters' of the faith and my side of the courtroom was BARE!...however, I won and he was charged :great:

Perhaps this is why this case in particular, has grabbed my attention to the degree it does. I ache for Lisa on that stand. She has to incure the judgement of the religion as well as trial observers - not to mention the defense taking apart an email - word by word. She is doing so well!

 

[Mormon Attorney]

That isn't just Mormon saying. It's the natural man that fights against his inner spiritual man.


it's the little red devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other. We all have had those same thoughts. Some you resit some, you don't. Doesn't make you a bad person.

Another way of saying "The spirit is willing....the flesh is weak."

 

[nursebeeme]

I sent an email to the address provided. I do not know the parties so, from the rules, it doesn't look like I need to be (or can be) verified.

that is for insiders... it is different for verified professionals... (re: to be verified as an atty)

you did good MA:rocker:

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

And there you have it. Seal comes back up, my children come back inside. Arguing about scooters and who isn't being nice. Sigh.

 

[Carol2]

Ok I think I'm getting in

Woo-hoo for us! I mean you!

 

[wenwe4]

verification link (email address and what to include in your email)
Rules Verification Process for Professional or Insider Posters - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Mormon Atty - let me introduce you to Nursebeeme . . . one of the best MODS on the forum! She has kindly provided the link for you to verify yourself (if you so chose to do) . . . also a big shout out to all the new users!

:seeya:

For anyone who is lurking - we are all here riding along this trial together - join us and let us know what you think!

FYI - We have many professional posters here who help solve crimes, bring home missing children, and volunteer their professional opinions on the World's Best True Crime Forum! (uh oh . . . . I must be channeling Gus's informercial vibe from yesterday)

 

[LostOldUserName]

I sent an email to the address provided. I do not know the parties so, from the rules, it doesn't look like I need to be (or can be) verified.

You do not have to know the parties to be a verified professional.

 

[Chanler]

I agree that it does not matter whether Travis was gay or not. That is why I prefaced my original comment with, "Not that this matters even one tiny bit."

I just feel that Jodi is misplacing Travis as a pedofile, when really he may have just been bi-sexual.

Unfortunately, I can kind of relate to Jodi. I was in a relationship with a man that I felt was bi-sexual. I never had any proof. On the surface everything appeared normal. He would have had sex fives times a day if I could have handled it.

Like Jodi, I became hypervigilant to everything he said because I felt like he was not being honest with me. I also became very suspicious because of the gnawing feeling I had that he was hiding something from me.

Unlike Jodi, I broke up with him. It was very hard to do, but I did not want to go on living like that. I wanted to be in a relationship where I felt comfortable, not all tied up inside.

Hi, Lithloren. Thanks for these insights and your moving candor. One question: Why do people think that Travis was gay?

 

[SDT]

Question for the seasoned professionals on this board...could JA win on appeal for ineffective counsel due to the blubbering mess of a female DA?

Just curious....she was a hot mess!

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

She might have anticipated that Lisa would be with Travis in the middle of the night when she arrived. She came prepared to kill more than one person -- she killed Travis 3 or 4 times.

There was that one time Jodi sneaked in and watched Travis and a woman sleeping in the bean bag chairs in the loft.

 

[nursebeeme]

have you voted in Kimster's poll yet? If not vote! All you guests down there... you can vote too :rocker:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8685490#post8685490"]Is the jury going to find Jodi Arias guilty of murder? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[katiecoolady]

Omg just had a situation asking me and this other girl to go on dr drew- I shoved her ahead and she's doing it- we're flirting w the bailiff show getting us in next

 

[SkiptomyLu]

From what I understand, basically, they are forced to represent JA. From the witnesses thus far, there is nothing that has helped and plenty that has hurt. To me, it seems the defense attorney keeps asking Lisa questions hoping there will be a meaningful reason for having her on the stand. I don't think she is going to find it.

I am of the Mormon faith and Lisa's email makes perfect sense to me. I cannot imagine trying to make this out to be an abuse case. This has got to be a painful process for the two defense attorneys who have a client who messed up the case before they even got it.

Now Gus, why he has been given so much time on the stand, I will never understand......

I think Gus Smarmy is a part of a narrative they are trying to build about JA becoming enchanted, enthralled, and entirely consumed by PPL.
Gus was way over the top with his descriptives and references about PPL. He missed the mark and it came off more as a "Shamwow" infomercial than planting "legendary" images in people's heads.

This was all I could come up with as far as why and how the defense thought they could use him.

 

[BritsKate]

Mormon Atty - let me introduce you to Nursebeeme . . . one of the best MODS on the forum! She has kindly provided the link for you to verify yourself (if you so chose to do) . . . also a big shout out to all the new users!

:seeya:

For anyone who is lurking - we are all here riding along this trial together - join us and let us know what you think!

FYI - We have many professional posters here who help solve crimes, bring home missing children, and volunteer their professional opinions on the World's Best True Crime Forum! (uh oh . . . . I must be channeling Gus's informercial vibe from yesterday)

:what: How much did she pay you?!?!


:floorlaugh: Sorry. I just could.not.resist. Nurse knows how much I love her! (And I am really, really scared of her big needle!)

 

[katiecoolady]

She looks like Sharon stone and her name is Katie she's gonna be on dr drew! I declined