Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #4

[Emeralgem]

How does that statement from rc knowing where and the positions they were sleeping compare to the fact that he told TM "she never slept in that bed". It was still made.

IMHO..His thinly veiled attempts to save his own rear is an insult to anyone who is capable of any rational thinking.... So so many manipulative lies... I will admit though that it does boggle the mind...JMO

 

[curvecuti]

Bold by me....parole huh? So Joe O spent time in jail? Could you please post where and what the charges were against him. TIA

To state that Joe O left Satsuma so quickly because he was on parole and he wasn't supposed to leave the state would certainly be important in my opinion. I believe he left Satsuma because he was running away from his involvement in Haleigh's disappearance so if you can offer a legitimate reason as to why he ran off so quickly I would have to reconsider my theories on Joe. Don't parolee's have to check in once a week or once a month or something like that? I have read statements that Joe O was in Satsuma for as long as one month before Haleigh went missing, wonder how he checked in if he was out of state.

If he was on parole, he spent time in prison, not just jail. And yes, unless it was approved by his parole officer for him to travel to Fl., it would be a violation, if he was on parole. ETA: A search of Tennessee DOC does not show a J. Overstreet as ever being in the system. So unless it was a parole from another state, he was not on parole from Tenn.

 

[elle1919]

Thats what I thought Curve, I haven't been able to find anything at all so hopefully Whisperer will be able to fill us in. Seems like a parole violation would be a pretty easy thing to haul him in for, yet nothing was ever said about any such thing.

 

[Pondering Mind]

IMHO..His thinly veiled attempts to save his own rear is an insult to anyone who is capable of any rational thinking.... So so many manipulative lies... I will admit though that it does boggle the mind...JMO

I know right?! Ronald is not even a good liar and IMO his greatest fear is being found out. My greatest fear is that wherever HaLeigh is...someone has made sure, as best they could that she WON'T be found.

 

[lonetraveler]

Could very well be he was in someway involved that night. It wouldn't surprise me in the least... but I do know that Ron C stated he was NOT at the MH that night.. Wonder Why?
Also, Misty attempted to throw him under the bus immediately, and then at a later date attempted to throw Tommy under the bus...and even stated if Tommy did it then Jo was involved too...

I also realize I could be way off base but I doubt either Tommy or cousin Jo are the ones responsible for whatever it is that happened to Haleigh..If they were I have a feeling they wouldn't be breathing air right now...But I'm not ruling out they weren't called on by Ron C to HELP out that night though...

I feel certain that there were quite a few things that may have needed to be cleared out of that MH that night before they could make a call to 911 to claim someone stole his daughter...JMO

Wow, Emeralgem, you must have read my mind. I'm on the same page as you. Ron was very quick to state that Joe the cousin wasn't at the mh that night. With him being at werk, how would he know? I think that Joe was drafted into helping with the cleanup details.

 

[curvecuti]

Wow, Emeralgem, you must have read my mind. I'm on the same page as you. Ron was very quick to state that Joe the cousin wasn't at the mh that night. With him being at werk, how would he know? I think that Joe was drafted into helping with the cleanup details.

If there were any details to "cleanup" I'm sure LE would have found physical evidence of this. As it stands, they have stated, publicly, on more than one occasion that they have no evidence that points to Haleigh being deceased.

 

[lil momma]

If there were any details to "cleanup" I'm sure LE would have found physical evidence of this. As it stands, they have stated, publicly, on more than one occasion that they have no evidence that points to Haleigh being deceased.

BBM

Hi Curvecuti

just me chiming in AGAIN..lol! i know that LE has stated that they are looking for an alive HaLeigh, BUT (and you should have known that was comming..lol) why would they drain the pond, if they didn't think HaLeigh was in there? (not that she was)

I am just saying that i think even LE doesn't know what to look for anymore, an alive HaLeigh or deceased, of course this is JMO :blowkiss:

 

[Emeralgem]

If there were any details to "cleanup" I'm sure LE would have found physical evidence of this. As it stands, they have stated, publicly, on more than one occasion that they have no evidence that points to Haleigh being deceased.

It has also been stated that investigators (privately) agree with TM and believe she IS deceased eventhough they have not (publically) made an announcement to that being the case..

Also, I stated..."I feel certain that there were quite a few things that may have needed to be cleared out of that MH that night before they could make a call to 911 to claim someone stole his daughter..JMO

I never mentioned that I thought Tommy and cousin Jo may have cleaned up any physical evidence pertaining to whatever it is that happened to Haleigh. JMO

 

[debs]

If there were any details to "cleanup" I'm sure LE would have found physical evidence of this. As it stands, they have stated, publicly, on more than one occasion that they have no evidence that points to Haleigh being deceased.

They have no evidence of that from the MH. The world is a big place, and there are plenty of other places just in PC that seem to be their focus, since they stopped looking in the MH within the first 10 days after her disappearance. And well, just because they haven't said "Haleigh is most likely dead" we do have evidence of far too many searches looking for a body, not a live little girl. So.....

 

[Dr.Fessel]

If there were any details to "cleanup" I'm sure LE would have found physical evidence of this. As it stands, they have stated, publicly, on more than one occasion that they have no evidence that points to Haleigh being deceased.

And very importanly they have no proof she is alive.

 

[curvecuti]

BBM

Hi Curvecuti

just me chiming in AGAIN..lol! i know that LE has stated that they are looking for an alive HaLeigh, BUT (and you should have known that was comming..lol) why would they drain the pond, if they didn't think HaLeigh was in there? (not that she was)

I am just saying that i think even LE doesn't know what to look for anymore, an alive HaLeigh or deceased, of course this is JMO :blowkiss:

They drained the pond on a tip from Joe P. was my understanding. Which I think they were kinda obligated to do since he did sign a statement saying she was in there. imo. :winkaway:

 

[debs]

Really? You've seen the affidavit which is still only alleged to have been signed by Joe P (through NayNay's letter to her mom)? Did LE release the reason they drained the L-Pond, other than on a credible tip, they were conducting a search for Haleigh? And wouldn't the assumption of "credible tip" be such that one could logically surmise that the tip says she's dead?

 

[elle1919]

And very importanly they have no proof she is alive.

What do you mean they have no proof that she is alive?

Haleigh was alive, and is still alive according to LE, what they need is proof that she is dead, dontcha think? If Law Enforcement has given a statement that says Haleigh is dead, please post it that would indeed be a bombshell.

 

[passionflower]

IMO, only Certain people know and Misty is #1

 

[Whisperer]

I think people are not comprehending that LE does not say someone is alive w/o proof of a homicide/suicide/accident.

Taking LE per verbatim is not necessarily getting the story. LE has guidlines that they must abide by. They do not use the word 'deceased'......doesn't mean they don't think it.

Just because they don't use the word suspect or POI doesn't mean there isn't one either. These strict adherence to what LE says is getting ridiculous imo. One has to be able to read what they and attorneys say with caution. Attorneys are not above lying to protect a client or themselves. LE doesn't lie, they just omit and use "catch phrases" due to the legal system. They have to be careful with absolutes. Do I believe that they think Haleigh is most likely deceased? Yes, I think they do. They must continue the operation as an "alive" possibility though. That also allows them more manpower and equipment. An abduction gives them the most resources but it doesn't appear to be one but they can say it is one due to lack of evidence; thus, getting more money and resources to use.

 

[elle1919]

IMO, only Certain people know and Misty is #1

I can agree with what you say. I think certain people do know what happened. What I can't agree with is when it is stated that Haleigh is dead. There are numerous scenario's where it would be possible that Haleigh is alive.

I haven't heard one member of Law Enforcement state Haleigh is deceased, did I miss that?

 

[Whisperer]

Numerous scenarios? I disagree. A very, very unlikely chance of Haleigh being allive is more like it, sad as it is and I wish it were different.

 

[elle1919]

Numerous scenarios? I disagree. A very slim possiblity, at best.

lol...I can think of two possible scenario's, and I guess 2 is not numerous so you got me there.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I can agree with what you say. I think certain people do know what happened. What I can't agree with is when it is stated that Haleigh is dead. There are numerous scenario's where it would be possible that Haleigh is alive.

I haven't heard one member of Law Enforcement state Haleigh is deceased, did I miss that?

bbm~

elle, truly, I have asked this question of many of my friends in LE (from different agencies as well) and while most don't know much if anything about 'this' case. (other my very abridged version for purposes of finding out their opinions :crazy FWIW and that may not be a plug nickle, but here goes in a nutshell... it's highly unlikely that LE will ever come out and say that HaLeigh is deceased unless they have a confession, a body or overwhelming physical evidence to that fact. And true enough it doesn't look like they have any of that ...yet. THAT does not mean that from every thing else that they have gathered during this ongoing investigation hasn't led them to the conclusion that HaLeigh is no longer alive. It's JMO that it has led them to believe that she is not. But they would never come right out and say that to us or more importantly to HaLeighs family...no way..

I wonder if it's hard for some to accept this as 'normal' in LE 'speak', because to do so would be admitting/accepting that HaLeigh may likely not be alive and if that's the case I totally get it, I assure you..my fingers just don't even want to type those words....just so very sad.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

What do you mean they have no proof that she is alive?

Haleigh was alive, and is still alive according to LE, what they need is proof that she is dead, dontcha think? If Law Enforcement has given a statement that says Haleigh is dead, please post it that would indeed be a bombshell.

I mean they have no proof she is alive and everyday they that goes by and she is not found is more evidence she is not alive. If you check into murder trials without a body you will find out that is the main point they make in the trial against the perp alot of times. If they are planning a trial without a body the more time that goes by to a point is to the benefit of LE.