Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #4

[Emeralgem]

Personally, I don't think most people would drive very far with a body. I think TN and RC are too emotionally charged to participate.

I still think misty is the likely one to get help with this.

BBM.. WHY Misty? I suspect she fell to pieces..Perhaps the argument at 8:30 pm was because she couldn't cope with the reality of what had happened...
I'm thinking she left the MH with someone in Ron's family and was with them for most of the night.. TN did everything to attempt discredit TC's story and to prove that she was there sleeping when Tommy knocked on that door..That leads me to believe she was with someone in TN's family..JMO

I also suspect a male figure in Ron's family was called in to HELP..TN's brother is on the list as one of my top suspects..Ya know the one who doesn't squeal on family.. I believe he is also the one who was involved in beating the HELL-O out of CJ...
If you remember Whisp, the LVA revealed she did not really know who it was that took Haleigh that night..JMO

 

[Pondering Mind]

She was high stepping and high tailing it in that video..Pretty good movement on her part, especially for someone who claims to be disabled, but you forgot to mention she also claimed to Cobra she had walked around out there in the woods for about four hours all by her lonesome..Woman is a piece of work, she is..JMO

Emeral, don't even get me started on people who draw disability that are NOT disabled and people that are have to wait years. :furious: o/t, my ex is a dead beat drug addict that has nothing more wrong w/him than an addiction and a lazy azz...bad back, I believe is what he draws it for...that was after his bi- polar defense didn't work...probably cause he's not bi-polar I imagine. I even tried to turn him in to no avail. He had moved to another state to avoid ch-support and couldn't be located...but you bet your bottom dollar that his check made it to him every month! :loser:

Sorry, this is just a HUGE pet peeve of mine..:banghead: :furious: :banghead:

 

[kiki the parrot]

BBM.. WHY Misty? I suspect she fell to pieces..Perhaps the argument at 8:30 pm was because she couldn't cope with the reality of what had happened...
I'm thinking she left the MH with someone in Ron's family and was with them for most of the night.. TN did everything to attempt discredit TC's story and to prove that she was there sleeping when Tommy knocked on that door..That leads me to believe she was with someone in TN's family..JMO

I also suspect a male figure in Ron's family was called in to HELP..TN's brother is on the list as one of my top suspects..Ya know the one who doesn't squeal on family.. I believe he is also the one who was involved in beating the HELL-O out of CJ...
If you remember Whisp, the LVA revealed she did not really know who it was that took Haleigh that night..JMO

(bbm) Thank you Em for having the courage to say this first so I didn't have to... :angel: Because I honestly had been thinking that this certain unnamed malefolk of TN's looked like he may have hoisted a body or two in his day...

JMO

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[StrayKat]

Yes, I do believe Misty lied too, but only to cover for Ronald with DCF.
It has been reported that Ron hadn't been in that house long. He had been living in a 2 bedroom previously and had to move into a 3 bedroom as per requirement of DCF.
I came to the conclusion, that is why her stories changed about where Haleigh was sleeping and even maybe what she had been doing that night. Washing Haleigh's "Pee" blanket? Taking blanket down from the window? The stories probably changed so that DCF wouldn't come down on Ronald and he would lose custody.

I don't think for one minute that Ronald had anything to do with Haleigh being missing.

At first I thought maybe Misty had been gone from the trailer and someone came and took Haleigh. But, not one person has come forward to confirm this...other than Tommy?

I have never seen the article where Ronald said, his bed hadn't been slept in. Does someone have a link to this?

I think she was there and didn't wake up. I sleep very hard too. She was probably dead to the world if she had been up all night the night before. The person who took Haleigh may have originally targeted Misty, she may have had a stalker without knowing it. I personally know someone that had a stalker that broke into her house to get her and ended up kidnapping her daughter instead while everyone sleapt - in thru the kids window and - out thru the window.

I hope it comes to a close soon. Sounds like the LE has some good info since they have talked to Ron & Crystal.

I think if any family... it would be Misty,s family members. That's where I would put my money. Tommy or Joe? Fight with cousin? Gun? Cousin suddenly goes home? Scratch on van? Now, Tommy goes over there? --- Why have we not seen nor heard anything about the cousin, cause the cops tell us he is cleared?
How do the police usually try to get someone? By telling them they are watching them or, do they tell them they believe them and sit back and wait for the perp to make a mistake?

EEEEK!!

Tommy?
Joe?
Stalker?

 

[suspicious1]

Yes, I do believe Misty lied too, but only to cover for Ronald with DCF.
It has been reported that Ron hadn't been in that house long. He had been living in a 2 bedroom previously and had to move into a 3 bedroom as per requirement of DCF.
I came to the conclusion, that is why her stories changed about where Haleigh was sleeping and even maybe what she had been doing that night. Washing Haleigh's "Pee" blanket? Taking blanket down from the window? The stories probably changed so that DCF wouldn't come down on Ronald and he would lose custody.

I don't think for one minute that Ronald had anything to do with Haleigh being missing.

At first I thought maybe Misty had been gone from the trailer and someone came and took Haleigh. But, not one person has come forward to confirm this...other than Tommy?

I have never seen the article where Ronald said, his bed hadn't been slept in. Does someone have a link to this?

I think she was there and didn't wake up. I sleep very hard too. She was probably dead to the world if she had been up all night the night before. The person who took Haleigh may have originally targeted Misty, she may have had a stalker without knowing it. I personally know someone that had a stalker that broke into her house to get her and ended up kidnapping her daughter instead while everyone sleapt - in thru the kids window and - out thru the window.

I hope it comes to a close soon. Sounds like the LE has some good info since they have talked to Ron & Crystal.

I think if any family... it would be Misty,s family members. That's where I would put my money. Tommy or Joe? Fight with cousin? Gun? Cousin suddenly goes home? Scratch on van? Now, Tommy goes over there? --- Why have we not seen nor heard anything about the cousin, cause the cops tell us he is cleared?
How do the police usually try to get someone? By telling them they are watching them or, do they tell them they believe them and sit back and wait for the perp to make a mistake?

EEEEK!!

Tommy?
Joe?
Stalker?

Welcome Straykat.

I would just like to say that everyone is entitled to their opinions and it's always good to hear from both sides of the fence. But let me ask you this:

Would you marry the person that was "KEY" to finding out what happened to your missing daughter?

Would you avoid speaking to LE for months about what happened to your missing daughter?

Would you inform this "KEY" person that she is in the company of a snitch who is trying to get information out of her regarding the disappearance of your missing daughter?

I would think NOT, if you didn't have anything to do with what happened to your missing daughter. BUT this is what Ron did! Can you tell me why he would do that if he had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter going missing? You may know some things that I don't so I would love to hear from you.

 

[Busylady]

These are good questions. I have never understood the marriage thing. Part of the problem I have is AH originally stated RC told Misty about Donna (I believe it was in one of his articles) then on NG show he stated that Misty found out about Donna by watching the NG show. So which story of his is actually correct.

There are so many situations like this - one thing is said and then later the story changes - who knows what to believe and not believe at this point.

Welcome Straykat.

I would just like to say that everyone is entitled to their opinions and it's always good to hear from both sides of the fence. But let me ask you this:

Would you marry the person that was "KEY" to finding out what happened to your missing daughter?

Would you avoid speaking to LE for months about what happened to your missing daughter?

Would you inform this "KEY" person that she is in the company of a snitch who is trying to get information out of her regarding the disappearance of your missing daughter?

I would think NOT, if you didn't have anything to do with what happened to your missing daughter. BUT this is what Ron did! Can you tell me why he would do that if he had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter going missing? You may know some things that I don't so I would love to hear from you.

 

[suspicious1]

These are good questions. I have never understood the marriage thing. Part of the problem I have is AH originally stated RC told Misty about Donna (I believe it was in one of his articles) then on NG show he stated that Misty found out about Donna by watching the NG show. So which story of his is actually correct.

There are so many situations like this - one thing is said and then later the story changes - who knows what to believe and not believe at this point.

You are absolutely right Busy. But didn't AH get his info from TM? Who got his information from Donna? All of this is so confusing. I thought I read somewhere that Donna told TM that Ron sent Misty a text message about what was going on. IDK

 

[Busylady]

You might be right IDK what to think at this point - I have gone back thru notes, researched articles again and I find one that seems to clear it up and then I find another one that says the opposite. About to go with put it all in a hat and pull out pieces and go with that - my head would sure stop spinning so much.

You are absolutely right Busy. But didn't AH get his info from TM? Who got his information from Donna? All of this is so confusing. I thought I read somewhere that Donna told TM that Ron sent Misty a text message about what was going on. IDK

 

[Whisperer]

It is much easier to not take the articles and bloggers at their words. My idea would be to take what you know and observe the players and what they say. We have basically only heard from misty. TN does the talking for rc and lots of what we heard came from her....not a good idea to take that as fact. It would be helpful to hear from rc in his words...not his mother's opinions on the matter or her view of what happened. She was not there, supposedly. She doesn't know how ron and misty sleep either, though she says she does. How could she?

The words we have from the two main players have conflicted at times. The behavior from both is over the top. How we interpret their words and behavior is how the case may be solved. If one goes back and starts at the 911 call, you will find problems. If r & m were not suspects, they should be cleared as this is the way, investigations work. The other problem is that both have lawyered up. This is not exactly a sign of cooperation.

Behavior is bad. misty's story doesn't work. rc backs her, marries her and now, still supports her, if you believe misty. It seems to be true due to his behavior...rc is still hanging around her and not talking and appears to be supportive of her. All the other facts we heard just muddle the waters. Most of us would love to fill in the blanks but it is not happening. LE is not talking. Just observe the players, they may lead you to the answers.

 

[Busylady]

Yep thats what I do is observe the players, look at documents, look at court records, and while doing that take out emotion and try and take things at face value vs adding my own feelings etc. When you are biased you tend to see things a bit differently IMO. When you tend to only look in one direction you miss a big part of the picture IMO

The lawyering up doesnt bother me for any of the players RC, Crystal, Misty, JO, not sure if the Croslins do or not. Custody battles, accusations of abuse (criminal attorney needed for that), among many other allegations you would be silly not to have an attorney when all that is being thrown around.

Perfect example would be if you listened to the 911 calls on the road rage incident and didn't know any of the players or developed an opinion on a person beforehand I think the interpretation of the calls would be alot different for some. Actually listen to what they say, put together the facts (not emotions or your feelings of the players) of the calls you see things differently.

I can honestly say I really don't care for any of the players in this case, but that doesnt mean that everything that comes out of their mouth, every court document, or ever media article printed about them is a lie.

LE is not going to give us any info - they basically have left it at that Crystal and RC are not suspects and that Misty is the key.

It is much easier to not take the articles and bloggers at their words. My idea would be to take what you know and observe the players and what they say. We have basically only heard from misty. TN does the talking for rc and lots of what we heard came from her....not a good idea to take that as fact. It would be helpful to hear from rc in his words...not his mother's opinions on the matter or her view of what happened. She was not there, supposedly. She doesn't know how ron and misty sleep either, though she says she does. How could she?

The words we have from the two main players have conflicted at times. The behavior from both is over the top. How we interpret their words and behavior is how the case may be solved. If one goes back and starts at the 911 call, you will find problems. If r & m were not suspects, they should be cleared as this is the way, investigations work. The other problem is that both have lawyered up. This is not exactly a sign of cooperation.

Behavior is bad. misty's story doesn't work. rc backs her, marries her and now, still supports her, if you believe misty. It seems to be true due to his behavior...rc is still hanging around her and not talking and appears to be supportive of her. All the other facts we heard just muddle the waters. Most of us would love to fill in the blanks but it is not happening. LE is not talking. Just observe the players, they may lead you to the answers.

 

[lil momma]

You are absolutely right Busy. But didn't AH get his info from TM? Who got his information from Donna? All of this is so confusing. I thought I read somewhere that Donna told TM that Ron sent Misty a text message about what was going on. IDK

BBM

Morning!

I recall this being said as well. If i am not mistaken, i believe that Ron texted Misty right before she was set to go on the Today Show, and Ron was on Maury.

I will see if i could find a link to back it up ETA- Can't find it but if i come across it while searching i will post it.... a lot of links moved, not sure where they went

 

[doobiedoo52]

I think everyone here brings up great points of interest in this case. I'm like Busy--I don't really care for any of the players involved but since we have so little verified information, it's difficult to find out what is true and what isn't.

The one thing that bothers me about the RC working hours is (please correct me if this is wrong) that I believe LE's wording was something like--"we are satisfied with his whereabouts that night and what the work shifts were" and that there were "2 pings from the PDM area." To me that does NOT mean he was at work. LE may know where he was but they don't necessarily confirm that he worked. I know LFlorida posted on one of these threads that the locals say he was actually fired Friday night. If that is the case, he may have had to go in to PDM on Monday to talk to them and do some paper work. That doesn't mean he actually worked but he WENT to where he worked. Lately, I find that I question so much of the wording by LE and try to work around it. Anyway, it's JMO. Carry on. LOL

 

[Emeralgem]

I think everyone here brings up great points of interest in this case. I'm like Busy--I don't really care for any of the players involved but since we have so little verified information, it's difficult to find out what is true and what isn't.

The one thing that bothers me about the RC working hours is (please correct me if this is wrong) that I believe LE's wording was something like--"we are satisfied with his whereabouts that night and what the work shifts were" and that there were "2 pings from the PDM area." To me that does NOT mean he was at work. LE may know where he was but they don't necessarily confirm that he worked. I know LFlorida posted on one of these threads that the locals say he was actually fired Friday night. If that is the case, he may have had to go in to PDM on Monday to talk to them and do some paper work. That doesn't mean he actually worked but he WENT to where he worked. Lately, I find that I question so much of the wording by LE and try to work around it. Anyway, it's JMO. Carry on. LOL

BBM.. If that is fact WHY is LE allowing him to lie through his teeth.. He has claimed from the beginning he was at work..And they know this is what he has stated.. If that is a LIE I do not understand WHY LE has not revealed it is a LIE...Damn, a child is missing here and has been for almost eleven months now.. Enough with the games... Some real pressure needs to be applied to those LE knows are lying....JMO

 

[lil momma]

I think everyone here brings up great points of interest in this case. I'm like Busy--I don't really care for any of the players involved but since we have so little verified information, it's difficult to find out what is true and what isn't.

The one thing that bothers me about the RC working hours is (please correct me if this is wrong) that I believe LE's wording was something like--"we are satisfied with his whereabouts that night and what the work shifts were" and that there were "2 pings from the PDM area." To me that does NOT mean he was at work. LE may know where he was but they don't necessarily confirm that he worked. I know LFlorida posted on one of these threads that the locals say he was actually fired Friday night. If that is the case, he may have had to go in to PDM on Monday to talk to them and do some paper work. That doesn't mean he actually worked but he WENT to where he worked. Lately, I find that I question so much of the wording by LE and try to work around it. Anyway, it's JMO. Carry on. LOL

ITA Doobiedoo!

i would like to know why there are only TWO pings being mentioned from the PMD plant, when around 8:00-8:30pm, there should have been atleast 25, considering the amount of times he claims he tried to contact Misty.

I also think it is odd that PDM employees are told to hush about Ron. Security hired right after Ron was fired or let go.

I also think that LE knows Ron, and knows that Ron knows the system and how it works, hence, why he has never been accountible for any of the charges, or most of them anyways. I think LE is aware, that Ron will not talk, hence Misty being the key....JMO

 

[doobiedoo52]

BBM.. If that is fact WHY is LE allowing him to lie through his teeth.. He has claimed from the beginning he was at work..And they know this is what he has stated.. If that is a LIE I do not understand WHY LE has not revealed it is a LIE...Damn, a child is missing here and has been for almost eleven months now.. Enough with the games... Some real pressure needs to be applied to those LE knows are lying....JMO

Oh, I totally agree. I guess I mean you really have to fine tune your hinkmeter (so to speak) when listening to LE's statements. I know there was recently an issue where LE specifically said there was no 911 call to Tyler on a specific date. Those of us listening to the scanner actually heard the dispatch of it, though--the fine tuning was that it was shortly BEFORE OR AFTER (I forget which) midnight so it was the wrong date and they could truthfully say there was no call on the date they gave.

I know the police have their hands full with this county in general just from listening to the scanner, but I hope they understand that their whole treatment of this case and its players has given the public a bad impression of them. I'm beginning to wonder if TN's experience in dispatch gave rise to the whole confusion tactic. Who is telling the truth and how do you know? Maybe that has been the plan since day one---confuse the heck out of everyone and they'll never get it sorted out. Lots to think about here.

 

[Busylady]

If RC was fired Friday night before Haleigh went missing then these articles just don't make sense to me. Why would PDM lie about his being fired?

Tony McCauley, director of human resources for PDM Bridge, said Cummings’ bosses never heard from him following Haleigh’s disappearance Feb. 10. McCauley said Cummings could have asked for a leave of absence.

“That never happened,” he said from company headquarters in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. “Without that happening, at some point they filled his position. He was released.”
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-15/story/haleighs_father_loses_his_job

PDM Bridge said they held Cummings' job open for weeks, expecting him to request a leave of absence or make some other arrangement, but he never did, WJXT-TV reported.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19199420/detail.html

“It’s a judgment call you make sometimes,” PDM human resources director Tony McCauley told The Bald Truth in an exclusive interview Friday from headquarters in Eau Claire, Wisconsin.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/18/haleigh-cummings-dad-protests-firing/

 

[lil momma]

BBM

Morning!

I recall this being said as well. If i am not mistaken, i believe that Ron texted Misty right before she was set to go on the Today Show, and Ron was on Maury.

I will see if i could find a link to back it up ETA- Can't find it but if i come across it while searching i will post it.... a lot of links moved, not sure where they went

Bumping b/c i found the article

It was a unique search operation for Tim Miller, founder of Texas Equusearch, who seems to have a sixth sense – and a track record few can challenge, cracking unsolved mysteries by making people talk, finding the missing and the dead, offering expertise and equipment to police –and hope and closure to grieving families.

But in the search for Haleigh Cummings, he’s found his toughest challenge yet.

Instead of scanning ocean bottoms or busting through bedrock, he’d hoped to chisel away at the hardened heart of a tortured teenager, a child bride of 17 who police still believe holds the key to a missing five year old she reported missing eight months ago, while babysitting in Satsuma, Florida.

Call it “Operation Misty,” with one of Miller’s volunteers playing Misty Cummings’ undercover Mama, to keep her safe and glean information that he hoped might be useful to the Haleigh task force, The Bald Truth has learned.

In an exclusive interview with The Bald Truth Monday, Miller confirmed he secretly funded Misty Cummings’ mystery road trip to Daytona, Cocoa Beach, and Orlando, including a visit to Universal, after after she flunked a lie detector — because he feared her life was in danger. “If she died, we’d never find Haleigh,” he said.

Only last week’s road rage incident, when police pulled Misty over with driver and new best “friend” Donna Brock, blew his cover. Courtney Ballinger told the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office that a driver and passenger of a blue Dodge Caliber kept gesturing and making threats as they were driving near her on Interstate 4. No one was charged or arrested, but Brock was identified as a Miller volunteer, outted by a Florida radio station.

The information, that her pal, Donna, was in effect a spy, albeit for a good cause, reached Misty after the CBS Early Show flew the women to New York for Misty’s two part interview last week. “She was sitting there and got a text from Ronald, telling her what happened,” says Miller. “Let’s just say she wasn’t too happy.”
Brock is a long time Texas Equusearch volunteer; she’s worked on searches in North Carolina and in the Caylee Anthony case, lives parttime in Florida and, Miller tells me, offered to befriend Misty with a two-pronged goal: to glean information Misty confided that Miller would feed Putnam County Sheriff’s investigators, and to put some distance between her and husband Ronald Cummings.

“I was afraid Ronald Cummings might carry out his threat to ‘blow her teeth through the back of her head’ if it turned out she had anything to do with his missing daughter, then kill himself,” Miller told The Bald Truth.


TONS MORE OF THIS ARTICLE HERE: http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/...ama/#more-3224

 

[Busylady]

Thanks lil for finding and posting that article. What I don't get is why would he print this article and then hours later say on national tv that Misty learned about Donna while watching NG vs what he wrote in the article.

No wonder we go in circles.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Thanks lil for finding and posting that article. What I don't get is why would he print this article and then hours later say on national tv that Misty learned about Donna while watching NG vs what he wrote in the article.

No wonder we go in circles.

Busy, that one has always bothered me too. One way it could make sense and neither be a lie is if both are true. Misty first learned about it on NG and Ron text her telling her about it not knowing she had also watched NG.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I think the important thing about the texting is how does Misty keep that cellphone paid up and why does it have a NC number.