Tiger kills man at San Francisco Zoo (Part 2)

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  • #341
I dont recall what the things look like now (seen them on the news) but they are not the everyday sling shot..prolly more like a wrist rocket which are a lot more powerful because of how they are made, can propel things much more farther and with a lot of force.
 
  • #342
I've read so many articles of late, I don't know which one it was in, perhaps Buzz can locate it.


Hey, LinasK. I've read every link of Buzz's that I can find and I find no reference to police verification. Maybe I'll go back to the beginning and re-read everything.

Just to flesh out my position a little: The police have NOT come forward to say no objects were found in the moat. So the fact that they haven't corrected the reports that items were in the moat would be suggestive to me that 'some kind of' items WERE found. However, the linked articles in this thread don't agree on what objects were found. Some would seem to me to be incredibly benign......for instance, I don't care how many pinecones you throw into a moat, I find it hard to believe little pinecones would be perceived as a threat to a huge tiger. Or even that the zoo would dare to infer that pinecones in the enclosure would excuse Tatiana for killing Carlos and mauling the brothers.


Reports have varied from planks to shoes to sticks to tree branches, from pine cones to nine pound (or nine inch) rocks. Some of the items we were told were found in the moat, we now know were not. No shoe, no sling shot. So why not wonder about the truth of the entire line of 'evidence?' The 'morphing' of information tells me that the rumor mill is hard at work here. The lack of police correction seems to suggest that there is a nugget of truth, but I find it a little hard to believe that these stooges would have walked far enough away from the cat enclosure to find sticks, pinecones, branches, etc. that could not have fallen in naturally. It's that little phrase "could not have fallen in naturally" that actually set my hinky meter going. Can you see these three----or four if Jennifer Miller is correct----dragging tree braches and pinecones from across the zoo to throw at Tatiana? The zoo director made that comment at the SAME time he said Tatiana could not have escaped her enclosure without help......something he has had to retract big time since then....if he will lie and be wrong about one thing, he will lie and be wrong about another. He has said and will say, IMO, whatever it takes to make the public believe the zoo was safely up to standard and only bad people get hurt at the zoo. Almost all recent reports talk about his hesitancy to even MENTION that the wall was too short, to even mention that Tatiana had the ability to escape that enclosure without gettng a leg up, so to speak.

Plus, it's recently been suggested that the items were sling shotted into the enclosure, even though we know it would be impossible to sling shot a tree branch. Or a nine pound (nine inch!) rock. Those statements just cannot be true!

And so I am suspicious that the items, if they exist, could not have reached the enclosure by any natural means. And even if they couldn't, without knowing that the moat was perfectly clear of objects minutes before these three showed up, then it doesn't mean too much. Unless someone SAW them throw things. That would add credibility.
 
  • #343
I dont recall what the things look like now (seen them on the news) but they are not the everyday sling shot..prolly more like a wrist rocket which are a lot more powerful because of how they are made, can propel things much more farther and with a lot of force.


New slingshots are more like a weapon than a toy. But you cannot use them to propel nine inch rocks and tree branches!

You know why I believe the reports of hospital workers finding sling shots is false? Two reasons. Number one, no hospital worker has ever been interviewed that said sling shots were found. Unnamed sources have said that hospital workers have said......Number two, who gets attacked by a tiger, runs to a cafe, beats on the door for help, flags down zoo workers on a golf cart and doesn't DROP the fricking slingshot?

It is really amusing to me to think that the brothers were holding onto slingshots all during the attack and only relinquished them to emergency room workers.

Now, y'all know me. I've always told everyone, right up front: I've been wrong before. It will not shock and dismay me to be wrong again. So I could be wrong. But I don't think so!
 
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The police would not be able to identify any foreign objects in the enclosure, but the zoo keepers would. I expect that during the trial we will hear testimony about this.

Sling shots? I never mentioned sling shots, that came from elsewhere.
 
  • #346
READ THIS BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO:

THIS WOMAN IN THE VIDEO FOUND THIS LION INJURED IN THE FOREST READY TO DIE.
SHE TOOK THE LION WITH HER AND NURSED THE LION BACK TO HEALTH. WHEN THE
LION WAS BETTER SHE MADE ARRANGEMENTS WITH A ZOO TO TAKE THE LION AND GIVE
IT A NEW AND HAPPY HOME.

THIS VIDEO WAS TAKEN WHEN THE WOMAN AFTER SOME TIME WENT TO GO VISIT THE
LION TO SEE HOW HE WAS DOING.
WATCH THE LION'S REACTION WHEN HE SEES HER. AMAZING!!!!!

Turn your speakers on before you start!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYh96USnzY0
 
  • #347
WOW Buzz..that is incredible,it actually brought a tear to my eye.
 
  • #348
I saw that before. Isn't that just amazing?
 
  • #349
READ THIS BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO:

THIS WOMAN IN THE VIDEO FOUND THIS LION INJURED IN THE FOREST READY TO DIE.
SHE TOOK THE LION WITH HER AND NURSED THE LION BACK TO HEALTH. WHEN THE
LION WAS BETTER SHE MADE ARRANGEMENTS WITH A ZOO TO TAKE THE LION AND GIVE
IT A NEW AND HAPPY HOME.

THIS VIDEO WAS TAKEN WHEN THE WOMAN AFTER SOME TIME WENT TO GO VISIT THE
LION TO SEE HOW HE WAS DOING.
WATCH THE LION'S REACTION WHEN HE SEES HER. AMAZING!!!!!

Turn your speakers on before you start!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYh96USnzY0


Ahhh... go kitty.....:clap:
 
  • #350
They buried Carlos Sousa today and the brothers showed up - here's a link



I'm shocked...truly shocked that they had the b*lls to show up at the funeral.:doh: :banghead:

I have to agree with Buzz, the 2 brothers are hoods.
 
  • #351
Emergency order bars tiger survivors from getting their car, phones

(01-08) 15:49 PST SAN FRANCISCO - -- San Francisco city officials have obtained an emergency court order that prevents police from giving back the cell phones and car belonging to the two survivors of the tiger attack at the zoo. City Attorney Dennis Herrera said the court order was necessary to preserve evidence that may help the city fight any lawsuits filed by the survivors, Paul Dhaliwal, 19, and his 23-year-old brother, Kulbir Dhaliwal, both of San Jose.

The brothers were mauled Christmas Day by an escaped tiger that killed a 17-year-old friend, Carlos Sousa Jr. of San Jose. Sousa's funeral was this morning.

Although police have said they have no proof that the young men taunted the 350-pound Siberian tiger, city and zoo officials have speculated that evidence in the car or photos in the cell phones' cameras may help determine why the tiger jumped out of its outdoor exhibit. Police do not now have legal grounds to search the car or the phones. In a statement released by his office, Herrera said Court Commissioner Bruce Chan had issued the emergency order "just moments" before the Dhaliwal brothers arrived at a police station to pick up their belongings.

The phones and car will remain in police custody at least until a court hearing Friday. That hearing will help determine whether investigators from Herrera's office and representatives from the San Francisco Zoological Society will be allowed to inspect the items. The society is the nonprofit group that runs the zoo operations.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/08/MNM6UBGRT.DTL&tsp=1

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  • #352
I'm shocked...truly shocked that they had the b*lls to show up at the funeral.:doh: :banghead:

I have to agree with Buzz, the 2 brothers are hoods.
MG probably insisted.
 
  • #353
I bet he did Buzz. I imagine MG thought it would make his clients look like they have a heart. :doh:

If you get a chance, look at the pictures again and look at the face of the brother hugging the victim's father.
That is not the look of someone sincerely hugging and showing respect to someone...makes me ill.:sick:
 
  • #354
READ THIS BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO:

THIS WOMAN IN THE VIDEO FOUND THIS LION INJURED IN THE FOREST READY TO DIE.
SHE TOOK THE LION WITH HER AND NURSED THE LION BACK TO HEALTH. WHEN THE
LION WAS BETTER SHE MADE ARRANGEMENTS WITH A ZOO TO TAKE THE LION AND GIVE
IT A NEW AND HAPPY HOME.

THIS VIDEO WAS TAKEN WHEN THE WOMAN AFTER SOME TIME WENT TO GO VISIT THE
LION TO SEE HOW HE WAS DOING.
WATCH THE LION'S REACTION WHEN HE SEES HER. AMAZING!!!!!

Turn your speakers on before you start!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYh96USnzY0


Ahhh, that is just too sweet!!! Thanks Buzz!
 
  • #355
READ THIS BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO:

THIS WOMAN IN THE VIDEO FOUND THIS LION INJURED IN THE FOREST READY TO DIE.
SHE TOOK THE LION WITH HER AND NURSED THE LION BACK TO HEALTH. WHEN THE
LION WAS BETTER SHE MADE ARRANGEMENTS WITH A ZOO TO TAKE THE LION AND GIVE
IT A NEW AND HAPPY HOME.

THIS VIDEO WAS TAKEN WHEN THE WOMAN AFTER SOME TIME WENT TO GO VISIT THE
LION TO SEE HOW HE WAS DOING.
WATCH THE LION'S REACTION WHEN HE SEES HER. AMAZING!!!!!

Turn your speakers on before you start!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYh96USnzY0
OMG, Buzz, that video brought tears to my eyes. What a fantastic bonding it shared with it's rescuer. I wish I could get hugs and kisses like that every day.... oh I do, from both my Rottys. Shhh, don't tell them I got all mushy over a cat video. :)
 
  • #356
Hey, LinasK. I've read every link of Buzz's that I can find and I find no reference to police verification. Maybe I'll go back to the beginning and re-read everything.

Just to flesh out my position a little: The police have NOT come forward to say no objects were found in the moat. So the fact that they haven't corrected the reports that items were in the moat would be suggestive to me that 'some kind of' items WERE found. However, the linked articles in this thread don't agree on what objects were found. Some would seem to me to be incredibly benign......for instance, I don't care how many pinecones you throw into a moat, I find it hard to believe little pinecones would be perceived as a threat to a huge tiger. Or even that the zoo would dare to infer that pinecones in the enclosure would excuse Tatiana for killing Carlos and mauling the brothers.

Reports have varied from planks to shoes to sticks to tree branches, from pine cones to nine pound (or nine inch) rocks. Some of the items we were told were found in the moat, we now know were not. No shoe, no sling shot. So why not wonder about the truth of the entire line of 'evidence?' The 'morphing' of information tells me that the rumor mill is hard at work here. The lack of police correction seems to suggest that there is a nugget of truth, but I find it a little hard to believe that these stooges would have walked far enough away from the cat enclosure to find sticks, pinecones, branches, etc. that could not have fallen in naturally. It's that little phrase "could not have fallen in naturally" that actually set my hinky meter going. Can you see these three----or four if Jennifer Miller is correct----dragging tree braches and pinecones from across the zoo to throw at Tatiana? The zoo director made that comment at the SAME time he said Tatiana could not have escaped her enclosure without help......something he has had to retract big time since then....if he will lie and be wrong about one thing, he will lie and be wrong about another. He has said and will say, IMO, whatever it takes to make the public believe the zoo was safely up to standard and only bad people get hurt at the zoo. Almost all recent reports talk about his hesitancy to even MENTION that the wall was too short, to even mention that Tatiana had the ability to escape that enclosure without gettng a leg up, so to speak.

Plus, it's recently been suggested that the items were sling shotted into the enclosure, even though we know it would be impossible to sling shot a tree branch. Or a nine pound (nine inch!) rock. Those statements just cannot be true!

And so I am suspicious that the items, if they exist, could not have reached the enclosure by any natural means. And even if they couldn't, without knowing that the moat was perfectly clear of objects minutes before these three showed up, then it doesn't mean too much. Unless someone SAW them throw things. That would add credibility.

Kgeaux, what I recall reading was that the tree branch that was found was not native to the ones near the tiger enclosure, it was from a type of tree that was across the way and couldn't have gotten there naturally. Any object, no matter how small could inflict damage depending on the force with which it is thrown, that's why baseballs can be deadly.
 
  • #357
I felt sorry for the tiger at the start and I still do.
 
  • #358
I felt sorry for the tiger at the start and I still do.

Me too Dingo. The brothers D have lost my sympathy. I too think they showed up at Souza's funeral as a PR move, otherwise they would have contacted the family before this.
 
  • #359
If the zoo couldn't even measure a wall and correct it, I don't trust them to actually go in regularly and clean out the moat or area of all debris. To them, if it wasn't inspection time, then they'd probably just say that these things fell there naturally if someone important asked. Now, they are saying the debris is unnatural, but when was the area last cleaned. I doubt if they do it as required, just say they do or document doing it.
 
  • #360
Kgeaux, what I recall reading was that the tree branch that was found was not native to the ones near the tiger enclosure, it was from a type of tree that was across the way and couldn't have gotten there naturally. Any object, no matter how small could inflict damage depending on the force with which it is thrown, that's why baseballs can be deadly.
The stuff they found in the enclosure (pine cones, sticks, rock) couldn't have gotten in there on their own; they had to be thrown into the enclosure. That's what was said when the news first came out.
 
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