Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory

[canadiangirl]

DP likes to take organized crime cases Hmm?

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[Sillybilly]

DP's self promotion about two cases shouldn't be taken as a prediction, he might even change his MO. I'm sure that the prosecution has him sized up and will be ready to counter his tactics.

I expect that he will be up against a strong prosecution team, this case has high public attention and expectation so the prosecution will be very motivated to succeed, investigation of LB's murder has now been extensive, and I expect that there will be testimony against DM about LB from one or more material witnesses.

DP/DM may plea bargain to reduce the overall sentence; I think he deserves 75 years without parole, but he may not get that.

He won't get sentenced to 75 years Variant. He could get 25 years on each count, but will serve the sentences concurrently. Consecutive life sentences are not handed down in Canada, they are served concurrently. However, if convicted of 1st degree, he will do a mandatory 25 years without being eligible to apply for parole during those years. After 25 years, he can apply but still may not see the light of day :biggrin:.

Serial killer Clifford Olsen got 11 concurrent life sentences for killing 11 children here in BC; after the 25 years, he applied for but was never granted parole, and died in prison at age 71.

 

[Sillybilly]

DP likes to take organized crime cases Hmm?

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Multi million dollar mansion, a Hummer, a Lamborghini and a Maserati ... wonder where all that dough came from and who's got him on retainer.

 

[Milothicus]

A thought on the truck, engine, seats... (apologies if this had been mentioned)

If dm's and tv's trucks look similar enough that a license search or vin check wouldn't raise concern, could they have planned to swap the plates (and vin, though more work), rather than swap the engine? Faster for sure.

Maybe the etobicoke truck was different, or had been customized too much to pass for dm's truck at a glance.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hmm ... DP was in the courthouse when Peel Regional police officer Michael Klarenbeek was shot at the Brampton courthouse in March.

from:
http://www.niagarathisweek.com/news...nfronted-gunman-before-all-hell-broke-loose-/

Defence lawyer Deepak Paradkar said he could hear the shots from the second floor.

"We're in shock. Everybody's in shock," he said from inside a courtroom.

Paradkar and others say the gunman "came in, shot an officer, and he was shot."

The gunman who was shot and killed was 45 y.o. Charnjit Singh "Sonny" Bassi.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/1.2596308

I recall from an earlier article that Bassi strode in through the lawyers' entrance.

A pic and a bit of background on Bassi, including a criminal history:

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...rthouse_shooting_as_charnjit_singh_bassi.html

 

[deugirtni]

Maybe she made him breakfast

Accessory after the Fact

An accessory after the fact is someone who helps a criminal escape detention or capture. Helping someone escape capture includes providing food, clothing, or shelter to the offender.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...=4uCw9qEAMl4yVETDn4y8HA&bvm=bv.65058239,d.aWc

Accessory after the fact can mean many things. I thought about a case way back in the late 80s in Burlington when 2 young men (17 and 18 year old friends at the time) brutally murdered a gas station customer when he purchased gas where the younger man worked and was on duty at his job just prior to closing.
His young girlfriend was present during the murder, and then fled the scene along with the 2 murderers, using the murdered man's own vehicle wherein he was stuffed in the trunk, traveled to Toronto, and went shopping with the man's credit cards. I looked up that case, in which the two men were subsequently convicted of first degree murder, while the girlfriend was charged with accessory after the fact (interesting case, and if the men ended up spending their full 25 year sentence in prison, they would be getting out soon):

He met Carrie Chisamore in Grade 9. He viewed her as his girlfriend. Chisamore was originally charged with first degree murder with Olah and Ruston. About a week before trial the Crown decided not to prosecute her for murder. Instead, she was charged with being an accessory after the fact. She pleaded guilty and was sentenced to one year in custody. She was a Crown witness at the trial of Ruston and Olah.

http://caselaw.canada.globe24h.com/0/0/ontario/court-of-appeal-for-ontario/1997/04/23/r-v-olah-1997-3023-on-ca.shtml

Could this girlfriend of Millard's potentially have a much greater level of involvement than anyone may imagine at present? Could she have potentially been the driver following them in Millard's vehicle while the 2 men took their prey on the test drive on that fateful night, as LE initially suspected was the case with a third person, based on neighbouring video coverage? If she was there, but knew nothing of what the men were planning (if it was planned at all), had no idea of what she was becoming involved in, and did not participate in the murder itself, wouldn't she be considered an accessory?

 

[musicaljoke]

He won't get sentenced to 75 years Variant. He could get 25 years on each count, but will serve the sentences concurrently. Consecutive life sentences are not handed down in Canada, they are served concurrently. However, if convicted of 1st degree, he will do a mandatory 25 years without being eligible to apply for parole during those years. After 25 years, he can apply but still may not see the light of day.

This was changed with new legislation on Dec 2, 2011.

For offences committed prior to December 2, 2011 all life sentences and related parole ineligibility periods are served concurrently. In cases of multiple murder, where the offence occurred after December 2, 2011, a court may, after considering any jury recommendation, order consecutive parole ineligibility periods for each murder. There are also options for an indeterminate sentence.

Criminal sentencing in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[swedie]

This was changed with new legislation on Dec 2, 2011.

For offences committed prior to December 2, 2011 all life sentences and related parole ineligibility periods are served concurrently. In cases of multiple murder, where the offence occurred after December 2, 2011, a court may, after considering any jury recommendation, order consecutive parole ineligibility periods for each murder. There are also options for an indeterminate sentence.

Criminal sentencing in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IIRC I think this was brought about taking RWilliams into consideration. That will never see the light of day. It's about time some of our laws change. If DM and MS are found guilty, MOO, I hope they never see the light of day again either.

 

[SideKick]

Accessory after the fact can mean many things. I thought about a case way back in the late 80s in Burlington when 2 young men (17 and 18 year old friends at the time) brutally murdered a gas station customer when he purchased gas where the younger man worked and was on duty at his job just prior to closing.
His young girlfriend was present during the murder, and then fled the scene along with the 2 murderers, using the murdered man's own vehicle wherein he was stuffed in the trunk, traveled to Toronto, and went shopping with the man's credit cards. I looked up that case, in which the two men were subsequently convicted of first degree murder, while the girlfriend was charged with accessory after the fact (interesting case, and if the men ended up spending their full 25 year sentence in prison, they would be getting out soon.

I knew the family well when I lived in Burlington and was in complete shock when I had heard about JR. Actually visited his family and saw him as a baby! He is out and has been out for several years now. Not sure how long he spent inside. He currently lives in either Burlington or Waterdown and works at a gym in BTown. This could be a similar situation with CN, the escape... Kinda gives me chills as a gym member... He is a good looking fellow, no one would think twice.

 

[SideKick]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/56520417@N05/


http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/hamilto...ames+Ruston+gets+25+years&pqatl=top_retrieves

 

[SideKick]

Adding for reference, Olah and Ruston's case history.
http://caselaw.canada.globe24h.com/...rio/1997/04/23/r-v-olah-1997-3023-on-ca.shtml

Because Ruston was 17 at the time of the murder, his sentencing was reduced to 10 yrs. as per revisions in 1995. It also mentions Chisholm may have thought the man Mr. F was kidnapped while put in the trunk, still alive.

 

[jash]

Thanks deugirtni and SideKick - I had never heard of that case before. Apparently the one who beat the victim with a fire extinguisher said he wanted to experience killing a man.

I wonder if MS felt the same way. My speculation only but maybe DM was the primary player in the death of LB (and WM) and MS got to take the lead with TB.

 

[Kamille]

DP's self promotion about two cases shouldn't be taken as a prediction, he might even change his MO. I'm sure that the prosecution has him sized up and will be ready to counter his tactics.

I expect that he will be up against a strong prosecution team, this case has high public attention and expectation so the prosecution will be very motivated to succeed, investigation of LB's murder has now been extensive, and I expect that there will be testimony against DM about LB from one or more material witnesses.

DP/DM may plea bargain to reduce the overall sentence; I think he deserves 75 years without parole, but he may not get that.

Isn't this the guy who sets up a "war room" to go over his approach to a case?

 

[deugirtni]

Adding for reference, Olah and Ruston's case history.
http://caselaw.canada.globe24h.com/...rio/1997/04/23/r-v-olah-1997-3023-on-ca.shtml

Because Ruston was 17 at the time of the murder, his sentencing was reduced to 10 yrs. as per revisions in 1995. It also mentions Chisholm may have thought the man Mr. F was kidnapped while put in the trunk, still alive.

That is the same link that I posted above... which I read very late into the night one night recently, and I missed that Ruston did in fact get his sentence reduced to a mere 10 years on appeal. Wow. Pathetic. Shame on Canada's justice system.

I looked up that gym and i don't see anything that would connect Ruston to working there, but wow, I guess we need to start asking for police checks before doing business with anyone in a personal nature any more. As much as a convict may have served his time and want to get on with a legal life, the public also has a right to not want to do personal business with a convicted murderer.

 

[Woodland]

Isn't this the guy who sets up a "war room" to go over his approach to a case?

I think the WM murder trial will be worse than LB's as far as an advantage to the defense -

I can just hear DP (or any lawyer for DM) asking things like 'what do you mean it's suddenly a murder? TPS closed the file as a suicide? When/why did TPS suddenly want to check ballistics, bullet trajectory, GSR etc? A witch hunt?

It's DP's job to raise reasonable doubt - he'll have that imo. The Crown will have the mountain to climb imo (they normally do, I realize that).

No slam dunk anywhere, imo, on trying DM for the murder of LB or WM.

Wonder which one will happen first?

 

[Variant]

I think the WM murder trial will be worse than LB's as far as an advantage to the defense -

I can just hear DP (or any lawyer for DM) asking things like 'what do you mean it's suddenly a murder? TPS closed the file as a suicide? When/why did TPS suddenly want to check ballistics, bullet trajectory, GSR etc? A witch hunt?

It's DP's job to raise reasonable doubt - he'll have that imo. The Crown will have the mountain to climb imo (they normally do, I realize that).

No slam dunk anywhere, imo, on trying DM for the murder of LB or WM.

Wonder which one will happen first?

Don't let DP's game talk get you down. It would be interesting to look at his complete record. I've heard that it isn't that great in avoiding convictions on cases the prosecution sees as critical.

LE do reopen closed cases that they initially ruled suicides or accidental deaths and do get convictions. There have been links on WS to discussions of other such cases.

For a local recent example with some analogues to this case (IMO) look into the "Bathtub Girls" case, where Peel police retracted an "accidental" death finding a year later after obtaining new circumstantial evidence, and successfully convicted two daughters for murdering their alcoholic mother. Prosecution not only fought against the courtroom antics of the defence, they also had to contend with a massive conspiracy of an estimated 30 "ordinary" friends and relatives of the murderers who knew of the murder and continued to work to thwart justice for the victim. (Ultimately the punishment was minimal because of their age -they are already out and the sister who was diagnosed a psychopath is studying law, perhaps she will article with DP.)

I saw a Peel officer speak to what was involved in re-opening their case and the work to get a conviction, perhaps they will help on the WM case if needed.

 

[Arnie M]

If WM was shot in the head then the coroner would still have the bullet ... and for that matter the firearm would have been there also ... so for that reason I doubt WM would have used (or had access too) an illegal weapon (handgun) purchased by DM ... and if DM did the shooting I doubt he would use an illegal firearm of unknown origin and possibly traceable back to himself ... in other words , in a "suicide" or a "staged suicide" you would expect a firearm common to WM's household.

I had been trying to piece together how LE were able to connect the death of WM & LB to the TB murder ... if 2 bullets were recovered in ashes at the farm which matched the one used on WM would certainly do it .... except lead melts at 600*F and the incinerator could have likely been hotter than that , leaving molten lumps without rifling marks on them..... and if WM's death was caused by a revolver there is no way LE or the coroner would return it to DM or anyone else.

I normally caution against wild speculation , and now find myself doing it .... we do not even know if a gun was used on TB or LB or WM for that matter.

I remain curious how LE tied the 3 together .... unless somebody is talking , or seized computers are revealing some evidence

 

[Woodland]

Will be surprised if the 3 murders are actually found to be tied to each other - could they turn out to be 3 separate acts leading back to DM? For 3 separate reasons?

When someone stages a suicide with a gun, seems to me they have to put the victim in a position of helplessness (drugs, alcohol for example) then place the victims hand on the gun and trigger, then put their hand over the victims hand and fire the gun?

Regardless of whether the person doing the shooting wore gloves, wouldn't the victim then be missing some gunshot residue on their hand - the part that had to be covered by the shooters hand?

How else could one pull this off and have TPS conclude suicide?

 

[Peace777]

Toronto Star article of "Shane" selling DM's cars etc on Kijjii
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...rs_snowmobiles_listed_for_sale_on_kijiji.html

 

[Peace777]

Last paragraph quote..."Kijiji maintains that Bosma was not targeted through their site. In a statement, the website said Bosma never posted any contact information in the body of his Kijiji ad, nor was he contacted through the site by any potential buyers."
Huh? Does this make sense? How was anyone to know where to contact TB in order for them to buy the truck? :banghead: