Timmy & Chelsea Croslin; and the hours before Haleigh went missing.

[Concerned Papa]

For some reason, this part of the article troubles me:

Misty’s grandmother told me that Joe had told her he never left Timmy’s house that night, even after a call came in from Tommy about 10 p.m.....that it was Timmy and Chelsea who took off in the van.

http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-tommy-croslin-told-misty-to-lie/#more-5131

In a subsequent article Chelsea is quoted as saying:

“Strap me up!”

“We’ve said a million times we’re willing to take a polygraph to clear our names if need be”

http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-strap-me-up-chelsea-croslin/#more-5105

Were I LE, I believe I would have to oblige Mrs. Croslin.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Kinda odd that as soon as we read about Joe saying it was Timmy and Chelsea who took off in the van that night, Chelsea’s starts trying to apologize and bury the hatchet!

But Chelsea told me last night that she and Joe are talking again, that she apologized for making him the scapegoat fingered by the whole Croslin clan early on, and they have buried their hatchets.

“Now I’d put my life on it, that it wasn’t Joe”

http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-tommy-croslin-told-misty-to-lie/#more-5131

Imagine that!

 

[Emeralgem]

http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-tommy-croslin-told-misty-to-lie/#more-5131

Sources familiar with the investigation tell me, in a brilliant move, police captured that conversation on tape as the siblings were allowed to ride together in a patrol car enroute to the St. John’s County Jail, where they were housed before drug trafficking convictions earned them a total of 40 years in the big house (25 for Misty, 15 for Tommy).

Anyone recall when exactly this little ride to St. John's County jail took place?

 

[lil momma]

http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-tommy-croslin-told-misty-to-lie/#more-5131

Sources familiar with the investigation tell me, in a brilliant move, police captured that conversation on tape as the siblings were allowed to ride together in a patrol car enroute to the St. John’s County Jail, where they were housed before drug trafficking convictions earned them a total of 40 years in the big house (25 for Misty, 15 for Tommy).

Anyone recall when exactly this little ride to St. John's County jail took place?

wondering myself, was Tommy held at St. John's when he was first arrested? or was he at Putnam? The only time i see this happening is when they were first arrested, if they both went to St.johns first, which iirc, they were..(but it seems lately i suffer from crs..fwiw) Misty being in St.johns most of her incarated time. being in different counties i don't think they ever road to court together..IDK, JMO

 

[Concerned Papa]

http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-tommy-croslin-told-misty-to-lie/#more-5131

Sources familiar with the investigation tell me, in a brilliant move, police captured that conversation on tape as the siblings were allowed to ride together in a patrol car enroute to the St. John’s County Jail, where they were housed before drug trafficking convictions earned them a total of 40 years in the big house (25 for Misty, 15 for Tommy).

Anyone recall when exactly this little ride to St. John's County jail took place?

The "backseat" ride and conversation apparently took place on Friday, April 16, 2010, three days after the Shell Harbor search began.

The article below was dated April 21, 2010. "Last Friday night" would have been April 16.

The source tells me Misty Croslin shared the blockbuster news with her brother, Tommy Croslin last Friday night, after the handcuffed siblings were driven from nearby St. Augustine, Florida’s St. John’s County Jail—-separately—-where they await trial on drug trafficking charges.

Once they reached the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department in Palatka, detectives put Misty and Tommy Croslin in separate rooms for further interrogation, before allowing them to ride together back to jail in the next county. Sources tell me it was their first extended visit since both were arrested on drug charges three months ago.

http://www.artharris.com/2010/04/21...-tests-id-haleigh-cummings-remains/#more-4165

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I remember they put Tommy and Misty in the same car at the boat dock. I am sure it was in an article. Gave them cigs too at that time I remember. Maybe it was in a jailhouse call that Misty or Tommy said that.

 

[Dr. Know?]

This article is dated April 22nd, 2010, written by Art Harris, he says both were put in the back of the squad car together, April 14th, at the dock. (although you will see AH and others state other days)

snipped from this AH article dated April 22nd, 2010.

http://www.artharris.com/2010/04/22/police-confirm-misty-croslin-saw-bones/

As the search for little Haleigh`s entire body and the murder weapon goes on, bombshell tonight. In a stunning police move, we learn while Misty Croslin stands on the docks of the St. John`s, police show her bones recovered in the search, then place Croslin and brother Tommy together in the back of a squad car, leaving the two, sister and brother, to talk freely. Was there a squad car confession?

If you do a search you will find many different versions, different days by Art himself and others, as to when Misty and Tommy were put in back of the squad car. He has one article where Misty was at the dock on the 15th & the one article posted above with them at the jail leaving together to go back to St. Johns.

Misty at the dock article:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/23153039/detail.html

I don't think it really matters as it was within that week of April 2010. I don't think Art himself knows and has spun it both ways. That's why I don't put much stock in his reporting on this case. JMO

Doc, I remember Tommy did talk about being in the car with Misty in a jail call but I'm not looking for it! LOL

 

[dodie20]

If this ride happened during the search, then it apparently wasn't the 1st time they had gotten together & plotted the story...since their story was what the search was based on in the 1st place. And based on that load of carp, this case was deemed a homicide. None of this makes much sense to me. Surely, LE knew they were getting together on the Joe story & that's WHY they put them in the car together. (to get recorded verification?). Did they get something, (anything?), from that search? If they didn't get something, why did they call this a homicide? From what I can see, the only charges worth filing, would be some kind of false accusation, & wasted money on a search, etc... But if LE DID get something, then that's a different story...but it still hasn't led to any charges. Personally, I'd like to see charges filed against Tommy for this. I'm not so sure about Misty. Get him in court, & make him explain that tape & how if this story is true, (& the last I heard, he was sticking to it), why he had to spoon feed Misty the details. & if he finally admits that he lied, then make him explain how he knew enough to lead them to whatever it is that they recovered from the search. If they even did recover something. MOO.

 

[suspicious1]

Kinda odd that as soon as we read about Joe saying it was Timmy and Chelsea who took off in the van that night, Chelsea’s starts trying to apologize and bury the hatchet!



Imagine that!

Papa, that is odd...I just don't know about Mrs. Chelsea...she seems a little shady...after all that finger pointing at Jo, why would she apologize now? Maybe she didn't think that Jo would actually point the finger back at her claiming that her and Timmy are the ones who took off that night in the blue van...

My question is: if Timmy and Chelsea took off that night in the blue van, who watched their kids? Jo? I guess someone would have to stay with them if Timmy and Chelsea were up to no good that night...couldn't take the kids with them.

And if Tommy called Chelsea and Timmy that night about 10pm, IMO, something was going on that needed all of their attention...
Tommy should've been at the mh on Green Ln. around 10pm.
So if this information is correct:
We have Misty arguing with Ron at 8:30pm and turning her phone off
We have Ron calling Tommy around 9pm-not looking for Misty
We have Tommy showing up at the mh at round 10pm and claiming to have waited around for awhile (which always had me puzzled and I thought that maybe he was waiting on someone)
We have Tommy calling Timmy and Chelsea at around 10pm (maybe that's who Tommy was waiting on to show up)
We have Tommy claiming that Haleigh died long before the 911 call.
We have LE wanting to know where Misty was between 10pm-2am

IMO, Timmy, Chelsea, Ron, Misty, and Tommy at least-knows exactly what was going on around 10pm that night. That might not have necessarily meant that something happened to Haleigh around this time but something was going on...and the blue van ended up damaged. Maybe Misty was there too but because of all the drama, she took off with her family only to return to the mh around 2am. Maybe the Croslins were gathered on Tyler St when that first 911 call to LE was made at 2:13am. IMO, the phone call Ron made to Tommy started all this drama. JMO

And thinking along these lines...I'm quite sure Misty wouldn't have just left those kids in the mh by themselves....If Misty took off with her family, someone close to those kids (the Cummings) were there with them. just thinking out loud.

 

[suspicious1]

All of this makes me think that Jo was the obvious scapegoat....

All of the Croslins pointed their fingers at Jo in the beginning...IMO, it was because they knew that he was not guilty of anything and it was taking attention away from their parts in all this mess. they knew that LE would have nothing on Jo.

To add to my previous post....Wasn't Misty and Chelsea the ones looking for the gun that was supposedly found on Tommy's property? Wasn't Ron the one who directed Misty via phone? Was this the same gun that Ron turned over to LE after thoroughly cleaning it?

I'm thnking that Misty and Chelsea went looking for this gun after Ron hid it there and hightailed it back to work. I think all of this went down between 10pm and 2am.

jmo

 

[Zoe Bogart]

In a recent press release, the Putnam County Sheriff says the case is far from cold, and investgators keep running down leads. But they believe Haleigh’s resting place and what happened to her remain a closely held family secret that only time and betrayal will unlock.

http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-strap-me-up-chelsea-croslin/#more-5105

If AH is relaying what the PCS said, then it shows they believe "the family" is involved. The Family. I include in The Family, those named Cummings, Croslin, Neves, and Sykes. Not necessarily in the order of importance. Yes, I believe the extended Croslins have a clue. I believe those in the know aren't actually Croslins.

I'm also thinking Tommy's "in the river" poly was deemed truthful, not because he was there, but because it was a smokescreen someone told him, and he believed it. He thought it was the truth.

TC: What are you going to do with her?

Leader of the Pack: Throw her in the river to let the gators take care of her.

I believe TC doesn't really know what they did with her. I do believe TC was brought in as a patsy. Same with the rest of the Croslins, they have no idea where she was "placed". I do believe they may all know something about the events of the night, though. All with knowledge about that night, who keep their mouths shut, risk some culpability, imo. I believe the Croslins think they are protecting a Croslin, and that Croslin thinks she's as guilty as The One, because she was told she was by The Leader of the Pack.

Tommy just rattled off the stories thinking he could get himself out of jail if he told them "something". The something he knew was wrong. Joe was thrown under the bus because he was the most expendable. :cow:

 

[Zoe Bogart]

If this ride happened during the search, .... Did they get something, (anything?), from that search? If they didn't get something, why did they call this a homicide? From what I can see, the only charges worth filing, would be some kind of false accusation, & wasted money on a search, etc...

snipped to respond to parts left in

My theory is that LE knows it's a homicide because the suspicious actions of the people involved plus their failed polygraphs. The people are covering for themselves, so are not divulging information. Why? Because it's something too serious. Also, they probably got a lot of information from the one poly that Tommy passed, the one that lead them to the river. Tommy believed the child was dead. He believed someone put her in the river. So it fits with my theory that he knew she died but was told by someone else she was in the river and he believed it.

I'd love to hear his polygraph recording. Something in that test made them know the child was dead and those people were the ones involved, not some stranger, some abductor.

Adding Joe to the story was what we call "lagniappe". The extra. The icing on the cake. The scapegoat. The one to take the fall for the guilty. Having him in town that night must have seemed heaven sent to the perps. "He did it. He's the only one who doesn't belong here so it must be him, and he's a bad a$$. It must be him."

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Suspicious1, I think we're getting closer and closer to the truth of the matter.

Lets remember though, these people are liars. We have to figure what parts of their lies are the truth.

While I believe what happened to Haleigh happened much earlier than 10 o'clock, I do believe things were really beginning to pop around that time and the Croslins were brought in. Panic? Something went wrong and more help was needed? Misty called her family for help because she was afraid of and didn't trust the Cummings?

 

[dodie20]

In a recent press release, the Putnam County Sheriff says the case is far from cold, and investgators keep running down leads. But they believe Haleigh’s resting place and what happened to her remain a closely held family secret that only time and betrayal will unlock.

http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-strap-me-up-chelsea-croslin/#more-5105

If AH is relaying what the PCS said, then it shows they believe "the family" is involved. The Family. I include in The Family, those named Cummings, Croslin, Neves, and Sykes. Not necessarily in the order of importance. Yes, I believe the extended Croslins have a clue. I believe those in the know aren't actually Croslins.

I'm also thinking Tommy's "in the river" poly was deemed truthful, not because he was there, but because it was a smokescreen someone told him, and he believed it. He thought it was the truth.

TC: What are you going to do with her?

Leader of the Pack: Throw her in the river to let the gators take care of her.

I believe TC doesn't really know what they did with her. I do believe TC was brought in as a patsy. Same with the rest of the Croslins, they have no idea where she was "placed". I do believe they may all know something about the events of the night, though. All with knowledge about that night, who keep their mouths shut, risk some culpability, imo. I believe the Croslins think they are protecting a Croslin, and that Croslin thinks she's as guilty as The One, because she was told she was by The Leader of the Pack.

Tommy just rattled off the stories thinking he could get himself out of jail if he told them "something". The something he knew was wrong. Joe was thrown under the bus because he was the most expendable. :cow:

IDK who did what, but if the Croslins know where Haleigh is, & they' are the family keeping the 'closely held family secret', well, that's just wrong beyond words. They barely knew her and weren't even related. If the Cummings are the family referred to, I don't know what to think. Surely both families don't know. I just want somebody who really loved Haleigh to stand up and tell what they know, regardless of who gets in trouble. I've known that somebody knows where Haleigh is, but the thought of a whole family knowing, makes me really mad & sick enough to throw up. MOO.

 

[Concerned Papa]

From the beginning of this case, I have viewed the many instances of Chelsea's "chatting" with great suspicion. What she has said, in many instances, strikes me as contrived and intended to take someone to an understanding of events that's of her choosing.

I've gone to great lengths to analyze her comments, all the way back to her version of events beginning at the bus stop on 2/9/09, and they are a stretch to accept as completely factual.

The end result for me? I quit worrying about ANYTHING Chelsea Clinton had to say on 10/4/2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9rCfv8vqVM

I flat don't believe a little 4 year old boy said ANY of what she says. Even her, likely, self anointed nom du jour of "Aunt" Chelsea seems contrived to lend credibility to her tale.

And now, in her latest "chatting" and the subject of this thread, as soon as we read about Joe saying it was Timmy and Chelsea who took off in the van that night, "Aunt" Chelsea starts trying to apologize and bury the hatchet?

Imagine that!

 

[Emeralgem]

In a recent press release, the Putnam County Sheriff says the case is far from cold, and investgators keep running down leads. But they believe Haleigh’s resting place and what happened to her remain a closely held family secret that only time and betrayal will unlock.

http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-strap-me-up-chelsea-croslin/#more-5105

If AH is relaying what the PCS said, then it shows they believe "the family" is involved. The Family. I include in The Family, those named Cummings, Croslin, Neves, and Sykes. Not necessarily in the order of importance. Yes, I believe the extended Croslins have a clue. I believe those in the know aren't actually Croslins.

I'm also thinking Tommy's "in the river" poly was deemed truthful, not because he was there, but because it was a smokescreen someone told him, and he believed it. He thought it was the truth.

TC: What are you going to do with her?

Leader of the Pack: Throw her in the river to let the gators take care of her.

I believe TC doesn't really know what they did with her. I do believe TC was brought in as a patsy. Same with the rest of the Croslins, they have no idea where she was "placed". I do believe they may all know something about the events of the night, though. All with knowledge about that night, who keep their mouths shut, risk some culpability, imo. I believe the Croslins think they are protecting a Croslin, and that Croslin thinks she's as guilty as The One, because she was told she was by The Leader of the Pack.

Tommy just rattled off the stories thinking he could get himself out of jail if he told them "something". The something he knew was wrong. Joe was thrown under the bus because he was the most expendable. :cow:

Zoe, I too believe it is a closely held family secret as to how and where Haleigh's remains were disposed of and also believe the ONLY ones privy to that information are within the Cumming/Neves/Sykes Clan. The Croslins do not know where or how Haleigh was disposed of...JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

IDK who did what, but if the Croslins know where Haleigh is, & they' are the family keeping the 'closely held family secret', well, that's just wrong beyond words. They barely knew her and weren't even related. If the Cummings are the family referred to, I don't know what to think. Surely both families don't know. I just want somebody who really loved Haleigh to stand up and tell what they know, regardless of who gets in trouble. I've known that somebody knows where Haleigh is, but the thought of a whole family knowing, makes me really mad & sick enough to throw up. MOO.

BBM. You are correct, the Croslins were not even related to Haleigh when she was reported as being abducted and they are not related to her now..

IMO..LE is referring to members of the Cummings/Neves/Sykes Clan as to the ones having and keeping a "closely held family secret"...JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

From the beginning of this case, I have viewed the many instances of Chelsea's "chatting" with great suspicion. What she has said, in many instances, strikes me as contrived and intended to take someone to an understanding of events that's of her choosing.

I've gone to great lengths to analyze her comments, all the way back to her version of events beginning at the bus stop on 2/9/09, and they are a stretch to accept as completely factual.

The end result for me? I quit worrying about ANYTHING Chelsea Clinton had to say on 10/4/2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9rCfv8vqVM

I flat don't believe a little 4 year old boy said ANY of what she says. Even her, likely, self anointed nom du jour of "Aunt" Chelsea seems contrived to lend credibility to her tale.

And now, in her latest "chatting" and the subject of this thread, as soon as we read about Joe saying it was Timmy and Chelsea who took off in the van that night, "Aunt" Chelsea starts trying to apologize and bury the hatchet?

Imagine that!

ITA with most everything you have stated Papa, however I cannot discount ALL she has stated...I do believe Chelsea when she stated Ron C knew his daughter was deceased when that 911 call was made and I do believe her when she stated she thought the BIG argument at 8:30 over the phone was over what Ron C wanted Misty to do concerning Haleigh's remains...
IMO She has to some degree put out some truths as to what may have occurred that night eventhough she has been extremely cautious when it comes down to directly involving her or her husband as knowing what did happen..JMHO

BTW.. Do you realize you referred to Chelsea Croslin as being Chelsea Clinton? LOL

 

[tfrohning]

From the beginning of this case, I have viewed the many instances of Chelsea's "chatting" with great suspicion. What she has said, in many instances, strikes me as contrived and intended to take someone to an understanding of events that's of her choosing.

I've gone to great lengths to analyze her comments, all the way back to her version of events beginning at the bus stop on 2/9/09, and they are a stretch to accept as completely factual.

The end result for me? I quit worrying about ANYTHING Chelsea Clinton had to say on 10/4/2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9rCfv8vqVM

I flat don't believe a little 4 year old boy said ANY of what she says. Even her, likely, self anointed nom du jour of "Aunt" Chelsea seems contrived to lend credibility to her tale.

And now, in her latest "chatting" and the subject of this thread, as soon as we read about Joe saying it was Timmy and Chelsea who took off in the van that night, "Aunt" Chelsea starts trying to apologize and bury the hatchet?

Imagine that!

Chelsea Clinton:waitasec:

 

[Concerned Papa]

ITA with most everything you have stated Papa, however I cannot discount ALL she has stated...I do believe Chelsea when she stated Ron C knew his daughter was deceased when that 911 call was made and I do believe her when she stated she thought the BIG argument at 8:30 over the phone was over what Ron C wanted Misty to do concerning Haleigh's remains...
IMO She has to some degree put out some truths as to what may have occurred that night eventhough she has been extremely cautious when it comes down to directly involving her or her husband as knowing what did happen..JMHO

BTW.. Do you realize you referred to Chelsea Croslin as being Chelsea Clinton? LOL

Chelsea Clinton:waitasec:

ROFL, Sorry about that! It was early this morning when I made the post.

Since my post was about a person being untruthful, I COULD say the topic itself created a natural mistake of last names.......

But I won't! LOL LOL!