Timmy & Chelsea Croslin; and the hours before Haleigh went missing.

[lil momma]

It's OK Papa! I needed that laugh, and my monitor needed a cleaning (spit coffee on it...lol)

 

[Nonni Brenda]

In a recent press release, the Putnam County Sheriff says the case is far from cold, and investgators keep running down leads. But they believe Haleigh’s resting place and what happened to her remain a closely held family secret that only time and betrayal will unlock.

http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-strap-me-up-chelsea-croslin/#more-5105

If AH is relaying what the PCS said, then it shows they believe "the family" is involved. The Family. I include in The Family, those named Cummings, Croslin, Neves, and Sykes. Not necessarily in the order of importance. Yes, I believe the extended Croslins have a clue. I believe those in the know aren't actually Croslins.

I'm also thinking Tommy's "in the river" poly was deemed truthful, not because he was there, but because it was a smokescreen someone told him, and he believed it. He thought it was the truth.

TC: What are you going to do with her?

Leader of the Pack: Throw her in the river to let the gators take care of her.

I believe TC doesn't really know what they did with her. I do believe TC was brought in as a patsy. Same with the rest of the Croslins, they have no idea where she was "placed". I do believe they may all know something about the events of the night, though. All with knowledge about that night, who keep their mouths shut, risk some culpability, imo. I believe the Croslins think they are protecting a Croslin, and that Croslin thinks she's as guilty as The One, because she was told she was by The Leader of the Pack.

Tommy just rattled off the stories thinking he could get himself out of jail if he told them "something". The something he knew was wrong. Joe was thrown under the bus because he was the most expendable. :cow:

Hi Zoe, thanks for this quote. I agree with you on everything (one of my theories at least). This quote from LE puts to rest completely who LE suspects of knowing what happened to Haleigh, and where they put her! The family consists of Ron, Annette, Theresa, who I believe are the ones responsible for what happened to Haleigh, and also the "step" family, consisting of Misty, her brothers and "sisters" (in-laws). I don't think GMF knows anything, but she was being used to put the word out, maybe as a way of sending the "story" to each other by way of the news. I believe this group was brought in as a set up, and they never even knew it. I also think Misty may have told her mother. Wasn't it said somewhere :waitasec: that Lisa was blackmailing Misty for drugs? :waitasec: Not sure yet if Hank knows. On the jail video of him talking to Tommy, it seemed to me he was still trying to figure it all out, and Tommy wasn't helping him with answers. Of course if Lisa knows, she probably told Hank. Not sure about that. JMO
Of course I have other theories. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

 

[tfrohning]

ROFL, Sorry about that! It was early this morning when I made the post.

Since my post was about a person being untruthful, I COULD say the topic itself created a natural mistake of last names.......

But I won't! LOL LOL!

:floorlaugh: It okay it was early when I read it and was thinking maybe MS Chelsea Croslin was releated to the pass President:floorlaugh: J/K

 

[dodie20]

From the beginning of this case, I have viewed the many instances of Chelsea's "chatting" with great suspicion. What she has said, in many instances, strikes me as contrived and intended to take someone to an understanding of events that's of her choosing.

I've gone to great lengths to analyze her comments, all the way back to her version of events beginning at the bus stop on 2/9/09, and they are a stretch to accept as completely factual.

The end result for me? I quit worrying about ANYTHING Chelsea Clinton had to say on 10/4/2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9rCfv8vqVM

I flat don't believe a little 4 year old boy said ANY of what she says. Even her, likely, self anointed nom du jour of "Aunt" Chelsea seems contrived to lend credibility to her tale.

And now, in her latest "chatting" and the subject of this thread, as soon as we read about Joe saying it was Timmy and Chelsea who took off in the van that night, "Aunt" Chelsea starts trying to apologize and bury the hatchet?

Imagine that!

Her stories are ridiculous, which is a shame, because she seems to have some sense & if she would just tell the unadorned truth, this case might be solved. IMO, she has inserted herself unnecessarily.

 

[Concerned Papa]

One thing about Chelsea,*ahem*, CROSLIN'S story that has always bothered me was her placing herself at the bus stop that day. Why was she there? She didn't have any kids on that bus, yet she gave a very detailed storyline involving "kisses being blown" and happy smiles:

C. CROSLIN: I didn`t get to talk to her. She come running off the school bus with a big smile on her face, and Ronald had his windows rolled up on his car. My daughter was waving out the window. Yelling "Hi, Haleigh." and Haleigh looked back and blew us a kiss, and she leaned up against the car, and then she got in the car and they drove away. And I never seen her again.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/16/ng.01.html

Depending on who you choose to believe, EVERYONE was at the bus stop that afternoon! Ronald says he was there. Chelsea says she was there. Santos says Misty was there. Heck, Santos even says Lindsey was there even though SHE says she was at nursing school!

I don't get it. There were only TWO kids possibly being picked up, Haleigh and/or Austin. How many people did it take?

 

[Chablis]

One thing about Chelsea,*ahem*, CROSLIN'S story that has always bothered me was her placing herself at the bus stop that day. Why was she there? She didn't have any kids on that bus, yet she gave a very detailed storyline involving "kisses being blown" and happy smiles:



Depending on who you choose to believe, EVERYONE was at the bus stop that afternoon! Ronald says he was there. Chelsea says she was there. Santos says Misty was there. Heck, Santos even says Lindsey was there even though SHE says she was at nursing school!

I don't get it. There were only TWO kids possibly being picked up, Haleigh and/or Austin. How many people did it take?

However, Chelsea could have been picking up the kids for Tommy and Lindsay, we dont know Tommy didnt work that day.

 

[Emeralgem]

One thing about Chelsea,*ahem*, CROSLIN'S story that has always bothered me was her placing herself at the bus stop that day. Why was she there? She didn't have any kids on that bus, yet she gave a very detailed storyline involving "kisses being blown" and happy smiles:



Depending on who you choose to believe, EVERYONE was at the bus stop that afternoon! Ronald says he was there. Chelsea says she was there. Santos says Misty was there. Heck, Santos even says Lindsey was there even though SHE says she was at nursing school!

I don't get it. There were only TWO kids possibly being picked up, Haleigh and/or Austin. How many people did it take?

IIRC Santos claimed Austin got into the same van as Haleigh did yet we have Chelsey claiming Ron picked up Haleigh... Anyone ever recall hearing Chelsea state the reason she was there? Has she stated she is the one who picked up Austin..Other than her being there to pick up Austin I can't think of a reason for her to even be at the bus stop. Is it possible she was the one driving the van that Haleigh and Austin was seen getting into that afternoon or could she have been in the van with Misty? As I see it, there is a method behind the madness of why she put out the story she saw Ron C pick up Haleigh.. And it just might have everything to do with the fact she knows Haleigh never went home to 202 Green lane that afternoon...JMHOOTS

 

[Nonni Brenda]

IIRC Santos claimed Austin got into the same van as Haleigh did yet we have Chelsey claiming Ron picked up Haleigh... Anyone ever recall hearing Chelsea state the reason she was there? Has she stated she is the one who picked up Austin..Other than her being there to pick up Austin I can't think of a reason for her to even be at the bus stop. Is it possible she was the one driving the van that Haleigh and Austin was seen getting into that afternoon or could she have been in the van with Misty? As I see it, there is a method behind the madness of why she put out the story she saw Ron C pick up Haleigh.. And it just might have everything to do with the fact she knows Haleigh never went home to 202 Green lane that afternoon...JMHOOTS

BBM
Maybe Haleigh did get into the van with her and Austin, and she is trying to distance herself from Haleigh, and put her with Ron. Maybe she did pick up Haleigh, take her home with her and something happened to Haleigh on her watch? Just thinking out loud... but that wouldn't explain some other things that the other's did???

 

[dodie20]

One thing about Chelsea,*ahem*, CROSLIN'S story that has always bothered me was her placing herself at the bus stop that day. Why was she there? She didn't have any kids on that bus, yet she gave a very detailed storyline involving "kisses being blown" and happy smiles:



Depending on who you choose to believe, EVERYONE was at the bus stop that afternoon! Ronald says he was there. Chelsea says she was there. Santos says Misty was there. Heck, Santos even says Lindsey was there even though SHE says she was at nursing school!

I don't get it. There were only TWO kids possibly being picked up, Haleigh and/or Austin. How many people did it take?

I believe Chelsea's overly detailed story of Ron not letting her talk to Haleigh about as much as I believe Ron's overly detailed story of letting Haleigh drive home. Both stories were silly, IMO.

 

[tfrohning]

I thought TN was there too!

 

[Emeralgem]

BBM
Maybe Haleigh did get into the van with her and Austin, and she is trying to distance herself from Haleigh, and put her with Ron. Maybe she did pick up Haleigh, take her home with her and something happened to Haleigh on her watch? Just thinking out loud... but that wouldn't explain some other things that the other's did???

I suspect she is attempting to distance herself from what happened to Haleigh especially IF it happened at her inlaws residence and she was with the person who drove Haleigh to that residence, or was the one who drove Haleigh there herself...JMHO..

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I suspect she is attempting to distance herself from what happened to Haleigh especially IF it happened at her inlaws residence and she was with the person who drove Haleigh to that residence, or was the one who drove Haleigh there herself...JMHO..

Yep! And that leads up to another theory we've discussed here: that whatever happened did so at Hank's and Lisa's home...:banghead:

 

[titanfan62702]

I thought TN was there too!

No, that was from a NG transcript error. TN said her son and the transcript came out that she did.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

IIRC Santos claimed Austin got into the same van as Haleigh did yet we have Chelsey claiming Ron picked up Haleigh... Anyone ever recall hearing Chelsea state the reason she was there? Has she stated she is the one who picked up Austin..Other than her being there to pick up Austin I can't think of a reason for her to even be at the bus stop. Is it possible she was the one driving the van that Haleigh and Austin was seen getting into that afternoon or could she have been in the van with Misty? As I see it, there is a method behind the madness of why she put out the story she saw Ron C pick up Haleigh.. And it just might have everything to do with the fact she knows Haleigh never went home to 202 Green lane that afternoon...JMHOOTS

Chelsea said on Levi's show that she was there to pick up Austin.

"Snip" Chelsea Croslin on the Levi Page Show 10/04/2010
This was the old link to listen to the show: http://tobtr.com/s/1299850

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Yeah, Ronald did work nights. I’m not going to say that he didn’t. Ronald worked late some nights, 3 o’clock in the morning, that is a little bit late for his normal work hours he usually came home at 11 o’clock, between 11 pm and 1 am usually, somewhere around there was when Ronald usually came home. It was very rare for him to be there so late that night. It was also very rare for the fact that when I went to pick up my nephew that day from the bus stop because whoever is usually closest to the keys is the one who goes and when I realized what time it was, I went down there and I didn’t know if I was picking up HaLeigh and Austin. You know sometimes they both get off. Ronald’s car was there. He had all the windows up and he wouldn’t talk me, he wouldn’t let me see who was in the vehicle. He wouldn’t let my daughter talk to him. That was rare because Ronald was always very good with my daughter; her and HaLeigh were very close and he completely ignored all of us.

 

[Concerned Papa]

However, Chelsea could have been picking up the kids for Tommy and Lindsay, we dont know Tommy didnt work that day.

Sure, she could have been. Why didn't Nancy Grace ask her why she was there? Why didn't Art Harris?

Am I the only one that doesn't understand why someone with no kids of their own was at a bus stop and conveniently providing verification of someone else’s story about being there?

It's not like she didn't have anywhere else to go, according to the next part of her "chronicles":

“We’d just left Gainesville, dropping (Misty’s mother) Lisa off to be with Hank at the hospital. I’d been up late trying to figure out insurance claims for our car that was wrecked, dealing with an injured father in law and then, we go to sleep and about 4 a.m., and I get a phone call.”

It was Misty. “I don’t usually answer the phone in the middle of the night,” she tells me, “but I did this time and heard everyone in the background yelling for Haleigh.”

They lay in bed for an hour or so, not sure what to make of it, not wanting to wake up her two girls, close to giving birth to a third. At about 6 a.m., “I woke up Timmy when we realized this was serious.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/

According to this, Chelsea is saying that AFTER being at the bus stop at around 3:45 pm, they went to Gainesville to drop Lisa off at the hospital.

Since Chelsea never mentioned Lisa being with her at the bus stop, and Lisa has never said she was there, somewhere along the way, Chelsea would have had to pick up Lisa to take her to the hospital. On that day, Lisa and Hank’s residence was at 130 Magnolia.

(A is the bus stop on Tyler, B is 130 Magnolia)

Now that she’s picked up Lisa, they drive to Shands Hospital at 1600 Southwest Archer Road, Gainesville, FL

Since Chelsea said “We’d just left Gainesville”, it seems reasonable to believe that her husband Timmy was along on the trip of about an hour and a half. When they got there, I would tend to think that they didn’t just kick Lisa to the curb and speed off. Surely they went inside to visit Hank who was in serious condition. After their visit of some period of time, they would have had a long drive of over an hour and a half back to their home at 108 Smith Lane, Crescent City, FL:

What's my point in all of this?

If Chelsea Croslin was at that bus stop at 3:45 pm, which effectively verifies Ronald Cummings' story of being there despite other witnesses statements, she couldn't have left for what I believe to be a 4 hour round trip until probably around 4:15-4:30 pm. They wouldn't have got back home until around 8:30 pm.

The next part of her story says she stayed up late trying to figure out insurance claims and dealing with an injured father in law. None of us know what time "late" was when she finally went to bed, but "late" to me is at least sometime after midnight.

Wonder why Nancy Grace didn't ask her what time she went to bed? Isn't that a little bit more important than asking Crystal what time Haleigh went to school?

If Chelsea Croslin's answer to late was, as I suspect, at least 12:00-1:00 am, when was Joe supposed to have "snuck" out with that van? I thought Tommy's call was supposed to have been around 10:00 pm?

Finally, "Aunt" Chelsea says she got a call a short time later at 4:00 am saying the little girl that supposedly blew her daughter kisses earlier, had vanished and she didn't even get out of bed until 2 hours later?

I can't tell you how tired I am of these people.

 

[Chablis]

Finally, "Aunt" Chelsea says she got a call a short time later at 4:00 am saying the little girl that supposedly blew her daughter kisses earlier, had vanished and she didn't even get out of bed until 2 hours later?

I can't tell you how tired I am of these people.

I dont know, I mean I just look at all these actions and know Chelsea had not been a part of Haleighs life at all, except for the 3 months at the point of disappearance, its not like Chelsea was acquainted with Haleigh for a year, I also am going to go out on a limb and factor in some substance abuse may be going on that legitly fogs her memory. I highly doubt if Haleigh ever vanished, Chelsea would have ever really been her aunt.

 

[twall]

I dont know, I mean I just look at all these actions and know Chelsea had not been a part of Haleighs life at all, except for the 3 months at the point of disappearance, its not like Chelsea was acquainted with Haleigh for a year, I also am going to go out on a limb and factor in some substance abuse may be going on that legitly fogs her memory. I highly doubt if Haleigh ever vanished, Chelsea would have ever really been her aunt.

IIRC Chelsea said she knew Haleigh through Amber before Misty started seeing Ron. Misty and Amber were friends, they would visit Chelsea with Haleigh and Jr. Does anyone else remember this? I think I heard it from Chelsea on a Levi show, I can look it up if need be.

 

[Chablis]

IIRC Chelsea said she knew Haleigh through Amber before Misty started seeing Ron. Misty and Amber were friends, they would visit Chelsea with Haleigh and Jr. Does anyone else remember this? I think I heard it from Chelsea on a Levi show, I can look it up if need be.

I just think, so much focus on Chelsea does a great disservice to Haleigh because this kind of energy, imo, needs to be shifted to Ron and his family.

 

[4Jacy]

Sure, she could have been. Why didn't Nancy Grace ask her why she was there? Why didn't Art Harris?

Am I the only one that doesn't understand why someone with no kids of their own was at a bus stop and conveniently providing verification of someone else’s story about being there?

It's not like she didn't have anywhere else to go, according to the next part of her "chronicles":



According to this, Chelsea is saying that AFTER being at the bus stop at around 3:45 pm, they went to Gainesville to drop Lisa off at the hospital.

Since Chelsea never mentioned Lisa being with her at the bus stop, and Lisa has never said she was there, somewhere along the way, Chelsea would have had to pick up Lisa to take her to the hospital. On that day, Lisa and Hank’s residence was at 130 Magnolia.

(A is the bus stop on Tyler, B is 130 Magnolia)

Now that she’s picked up Lisa, they drive to Shands Hospital at 1600 Southwest Archer Road, Gainesville, FL

Since Chelsea said “We’d just left Gainesville”, it seems reasonable to believe that her husband Timmy was along on the trip of about an hour and a half. When they got there, I would tend to think that they didn’t just kick Lisa to the curb and speed off. Surely they went inside to visit Hank who was in serious condition. After their visit of some period of time, they would have had a long drive of over an hour and a half back to their home at 108 Smith Lane, Crescent City, FL:

What's my point in all of this?

If Chelsea Croslin was at that bus stop at 3:45 pm, which effectively verifies Ronald Cummings' story of being there despite other witnesses statements, she couldn't have left for what I believe to be a 4 hour round trip until probably around 4:15-4:30 pm. They wouldn't have got back home until around 8:30 pm.

The next part of her story says she stayed up late trying to figure out insurance claims and dealing with an injured father in law. None of us know what time "late" was when she finally went to bed, but "late" to me is at least sometime after midnight.

Wonder why Nancy Grace didn't ask her what time she went to bed? Isn't that a little bit more important than asking Crystal what time Haleigh went to school?

If Chelsea Croslin's answer to late was, as I suspect, at least 12:00-1:00 am, when was Joe supposed to have "snuck" out with that van? I thought Tommy's call was supposed to have been around 10:00 pm?

Finally, "Aunt" Chelsea says she got a call a short time later at 4:00 am saying the little girl that supposedly blew her daughter kisses earlier, had vanished and she didn't even get out of bed until 2 hours later?

I can't tell you how tired I am of these people.

Papa, my first reaction when I read what Chelsea said about receiving the call around 4:00 AM and going back to sleep (for about two hours) raised hugh red flags for me. Even if I had never known the person, say a neighbor called and said someone in the vicinity was missing, I would have bolted upright and been out my door, helping to look and search and pray.

NO. That's not what really happened. No one would go back to sleep. How could they? Somehow Timmy was involved. Remember when Lindsay told Tommy she had thrown out his and Timmy's boots? Yea, that was a real conversation starter. He's in jail and she's talking about he and his brothers boots (yea, right.)

Timmy is involved in this and Chelsea is a liar. Misty gave that up when she said Timmy was the one person she could count on. I'm not saying she meant to give him up, I believe it was a loving endorsement of how she really felt about him.

Now: Where do we go from here?

 

[twall]

I just think, so much focus on Chelsea does a great disservice to Haleigh because this kind of energy, imo, needs to be shifted to Ron and his family.

True. I have went back and forth about Chelsea's knowledge or involvement where Haleigh is concerned. There are so many scenarios with her like there is with everyone else involved in this case.
At times I thought she knew but was protecting Misty and/or Timmy.
Other times I think she is in the dark and has no knowledge, wasn't there a jail conversation between Timmy and Tommy about Timmy sneaking out at night and Chelsea never being aware of it?
I know I could go out to my garage, open the door and leave and my husband would never know, he sleeps like a log and does not wake up until his alarm goes off! Chelsea was pregnant at the time, that could make her more tired than usual.
The van bothers me to no end, always has. I think it is possible someone who knew where Chelsea put her keys could go in and take them in the middle of the night, leave in the van, use it for nefarious reasons and bring it back, damaged and parked different than Chelsea did to set them up.
Someone who knew if they locked their door or not, someone who had a key or knew where a spare one was hidden.

JMO