Timmy & Chelsea Croslin; and the hours before Haleigh went missing.

[Nonni Brenda]

I did not get a chance to listen to all of the interview as I was falling asleep lastnight listening to it, but from what I did gather listening to Chelsea was she was being honest these are her opinions and her perception of Ron and his life, his being.

The words came easy and rolled off the tounge with no hesitation from Chelsea, she has first hand knowledge of these people, what she was explaining in her interview is exactly how I pictured Ron from the get go..... jmo and all that .....

Hi, Mysticrose, I agrree. I think Chelsea was being honest (I always hoped I could use that word about this case). She does know these people first hand. And her manner of speech seemed direct and straignt forward. Just wish this would end soon and we would have all our questions answered. Hope Misty finally tells the whole truth, and passes a LDT.
ETA: If you get a chance go back and listen to the entire show. It was very interesting to the end.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Chels is no dope; always felt she was bright. Clearly, went to bat for Misty. IMO, excellent PR job for M tonight.

I agree, epiph Chelsea really brought the feelings of sympathy for Misty out.. Unbelievably great PR for the "Misty camp"... Tho, sadly that's just what I see this as PR for the last in line of those being sentenced for drug trafficking, might I add not only the last but the "biggest" in terms of weight/amount of charges and number of years that she is facing to serve in prison...PR.. NOT ensuring justice for the innocent, little girl that was in her care when she was murdered!...

Nope just good PR for Misty..

Just wanted to add: I DO NOT feel sorry for Misty! Just as I had posted in the "Do u feel sorry for Misty" Thread, yes, I do have twinges of sympathy for Misty at times, but the heartwrenching reality ALWAYS, IMMEDIATELY hits me that this precious child, Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings has been murdered and Misty does hold the answers to ensuring not only a proper burial, and closure for Haleigh's loved ones, but MOST IMPORTANTLY Misty is keeping justice from being served in this innocent child's behalf...
The twinges of sympathy for Misty quickly dissolve into frustration, sadness, and anger at the injustice for Haleigh's sake!!!

 

[B4igo2it]

AZWRITER Post #123 above (snipped)
"The main goal of her family should be to find her or find out what happened to her. And I for one do not see any of these people in this group reaching out for that goal. jmo"

This is MO also. What I see is more effort in trying to CYA and blame others. In fact, I find the actions of the paternal side to be nothing more than a "Crock"

o/t: TN and RC relationship baffles me. She acts as though she "knows" his character so well (contrary to what we hear from Chelsey and others). Yet when I read his grandfather Syke's obit it stated: (snipped) "Survivors include his wife of 22 years, Annette Sykes of Welaka; a son, Ronald Cummings of Crescent City; daughters Teresa Neves of Lady Lake, ..."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AJ&pg=5999,5413656&dq=myles-kirby-sykes&hl=en
this is an "unusual" family in my opinion

 

[dodie20]

Since Chelsea has said that the Joe story is a lie, & she's now blaming Ron, did she address Tommy's new story? Is he also going with the Ron left drugs laying around story? Also, did she explain why they were trying to frame Joe?

 

[krkrjx]

AZWRITER Post #123 above (snipped)
"The main goal of her family should be to find her or find out what happened to her. And I for one do not see any of these people in this group reaching out for that goal. jmo"

This is MO also. What I see is more effort in trying to CYA and blame others. In fact, I find the actions of the paternal side to be nothing more than a "Crock"

o/t: TN and RC relationship baffles me. She acts as though she "knows" his character so well (contrary to what we hear from Chelsey and others). Yet when I read his grandfather Syke's obit it stated: (snipped) "Survivors include his wife of 22 years, Annette Sykes of Welaka; a son, Ronald Cummings of Crescent City; daughters Teresa Neves of Lady Lake, ..."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...cummings&hl=en
this is an "unusual" family in my opinion

I have to go OT, so I can address your OT:

I have wondered about the wording of that obit as well the relationship between RC and TN. Anytime I saw the two of them together, and now when I see any reference to RC and TN together, it brings to mind RC's Mom tattoo! I am not saying it's odd that a guy would have a Mom tattoo--some guys do have them, but...they usually say Mom.

And, I need to stress this is I.M.O. But, I find Ron's "Teresa" tat to be sort of...icky...for lack of a better word.

 

[epiphany]

Why haven't they talked in 4 months? Did the phone money run out?

Incidentally, why is Chelsea so active and vocal in this but we have never heard a beep from Timmy, beyond a couple of jailhouse phone calls? I don't even know what he looks like.

PR was difficult for Chels when one was talking about H in a black bag and the other had placed himself at MH, in the car and at dock.

Chels is the most vocal cause she's the most verbal of the Croslin clan.

 

[dodie20]

Chelsea's explanation for kissing the Cummings tail, is lame. She wanted to be invited to the funeral? She kissed their tail early on, when Haleigh was presumed kidnapped & alive. It was only recently, that she started blaming Ron. So, early on, did she know that Haleigh was dead? is that why she called Ron a great dad, & said there were no drugs in the house? because she wanted a funeral invitation? How did she know Haleigh was dead & there was gonna be a funeral?

 

[SmoothOperator]

AZWRITER Post #123 above (snipped)
"The main goal of her family should be to find her or find out what happened to her. And I for one do not see any of these people in this group reaching out for that goal. jmo"

This is MO also. What I see is more effort in trying to CYA and blame others. In fact, I find the actions of the paternal side to be nothing more than a "Crock"

o/t: TN and RC relationship baffles me. She acts as though she "knows" his character so well (contrary to what we hear from Chelsey and others). Yet when I read his grandfather Syke's obit it stated: (snipped) "Survivors include his wife of 22 years, Annette Sykes of Welaka; a son, Ronald Cummings of Crescent City; daughters Teresa Neves of Lady Lake, ..."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AJ&pg=5999,5413656&dq=myles-kirby-sykes&hl=en
this is an "unusual" family in my opinion

Hi B4igo2it! ITA "unusual" is about as accurate a term for the Cummings' family dynamics, atleast here at WS "unusual" will have to suffice[as I think the word many of us would say accurately described the fam's dynamics would be AGAINST TOS rules :angel:]..

I too have often pondered the strange "mother/son" relationship btwn TN and RC.. I have come to the conclusion that as far as TN's unwaivering loyalty to RC, MO is it is purely driven by GUILT! Guilt of TN NOT having been any sort of a "mother" to Ron whatsoever! TN having selfishly put her own wants, needs, desires, and happiness WAY ABOVE the best interest of her own son[my how family cycles play themselves out is always amazingly accurate{i.e. Does this not ring a bell of familiarity to Ron putting his own wants, needs, desires, and happiness WAY ABOVE the best interest of his children?}]

But I really do see alot of TN's motivations that are not "positive" in any way, shape, or form to all of us[from the outside looking in] but it seems as tho she is blind to the reality of the negative impact and role that she is playing in her son[and in turn her grandchildren's] lives. Her guilt outweighs and blinds her to this fact that we all can clearly see.. jmo

I believe the reason why Kirby Sykes[RC's grandfather] obit reads as Ronald Cummings as his son[rather than his grandson] is for the very reason that I have mentioned above[i.e. TN did not raise Ron for the majority of his life. Annette and Kirby Sykes did and I'd assume that Kirby probably thought of Ron more as a son than a grandson]... again jmo, tho...

 

[dodie20]

seeker, thank you for admitting your are crazy. I was beginning to feel alone. This case has made us all a little looney. The thing is - that I believe we have many people involved in different roles in this case. And all of them are lying or covering for themselves or someone else.

Another thing that makes it so difficult is the fact that we do not have privilige to all the evidence gathered so far by LE. Which, leds us to actually have to guess as to what occured. That's why it's called a mystery.

I think your effort in finding it hard to believe TN and GGM Sykes could be involved is very natural and not at all strange. But the bottom line, there is a little girl missing and probably now dead. I believe everyone she had around her in her short life should be suspect. The main goal of her family should be to find her or find out what happened to her. And I for one do not see any of these people in this group reaching out for that goal.
jmo

I think for all of these people, this stopped being about Haleigh, a long time ago.

 

[Bipolar Express]

Chelsea's explanation for kissing the Cummings tail, is lame. She wanted to be invited to the funeral? She kissed their tail early on, when Haleigh was presumed kidnapped & alive. It was only recently, that she started blaming Ron. So, early on, did she know that Haleigh was dead? is that why she called Ron a great dad, & said there were no drugs in the house? because she wanted a funeral invitation? How did she know Haleigh was dead & there was gonna be a funeral?

Thank you. That pretty much clears it up in my mind...as far as Chelseas truthfulness in it all. I cant think of a logical explanation for why should would say that (her reason for being pro Cummings at the beginning) other than it is a lie. Maybe Ron is the new Joe?

Just thinking......oh, and just my opinion.

 

[epiphany]

Chelsea's explanation for kissing the Cummings tail, is lame. She wanted to be invited to the funeral? She kissed their tail early on, when Haleigh was presumed kidnapped & alive. It was only recently, that she started blaming Ron. So, early on, did she know that Haleigh was dead? is that why she called Ron a great dad, & said there were no drugs in the house? because she wanted a funeral invitation? How did she know Haleigh was dead & there was gonna be a funeral?

Certainly one of Chels' most transparent statements last eve (why she kissed their butt). Great dad, bad dad--how bout keep thee mouth shut? M terrified of T and AS, but not of Ron. Loves Ron. Pills all over house, pills in dresser.

No comment about the wickedness implicit in Sis and Tommy's finger-pointing at JO for murder!

 

[epiphany]

Chels is slick. In order to give credence to the pregnant M story, Chels (2 children at that point) uses one of M's visibly available pregnancy tests to see whether she herself was pregnant. And she was (as we know)!

Well thought out responses, or rather must have had a long, long list of points she was to cover during the show. Almost done---as she let us all know-will finish up once JVM Show is booked!

 

[Kat]

Not directed at any poster here! I swear it's not at all, just that I read all 6 pages now and pondered and mulled on all the different POV's and points of interest in each post.

Here is where I stand at this point in time about Chels. If she's knows the "truth" spill it, if she doesn't fine, just don't change up the story to fit who the story is being told to...JMHO.

As far as MSM media (not Levi) I think I'm about done with AH, NG, and JVM coverage on Haleigh. Sorry but I feel I can't trust their sources.

We have this story on the heels of the Haleigh ODed story---sigh.

I don't give a hoot about Gma Hollars and Gma Lisa and Gma Teresa or GGM S. or if they are battling it out, or if they are besties, or if they are trying to intimidate one another. They are all grown women and each and every single one of them can hold their own---JMHO from what I've seen from each and every one of them.

As for Aunt Chels, Aunt Linds, Uncle Tommy, Uncle Timmy. If you what happened to Haleigh take your hinney to the LE now. If you don't but you know where she might be? Take your hiney to the LE right now. Quit with the he said/she said bull stinky. This isn't about you. This is about Haleigh.

Oh I'm so aggravated and irritated and just plain mad at "this crew". Which includes all of them. From Misty and Ron to all the ones I named above.

Where in the H3LLO is Haleigh? Where is she? Bring that baby home now! I could just scream with frustration!

I guess I better back off Miss Haleigh's threads, not because of any member here at WS! But because these 2 families. I can't find sympathy for nary a' one of them and reading and listening to Chels, is just like listening to the rest of them and some of the reporters covering. (again not Levi).

Grrrrr.

 

[archenemy toenail]

o/t: TN and RC relationship baffles me. She acts as though she "knows" his character so well (contrary to what we hear from Chelsey and others). Yet when I read his grandfather Syke's obit it stated: (snipped) "Survivors include his wife of 22 years, Annette Sykes of Welaka; a son, Ronald Cummings of Crescent City; daughters Teresa Neves of Lady Lake, ..."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AJ&pg=5999,5413656&dq=myles-kirby-sykes&hl=en
this is an "unusual" family in my opinion

I've often wondered if there isn't some Cindy and Casey Anthony-esque fighting over Ron between TN and AS.

 

[Emeralgem]

For the record.. I suspect Chelsey has known just as Ron C, his mother, his grandmother, Tommy, Misty and Timmy that Haleigh was deceased from day one...
Ronald Cummings know ALL, as I suspect his mother and his grandmother do too, or at least a hellova lot more than any of the Croslins know...
Since they have all lied and have allowed this fiasco to go on for almost 20 months now, and since it is NOW also apparent Ronald Cummings and his family arranged from the get go to take down anyone they could just as long as Ronald Cummings could not be implcated, I suspect Chelsey has decided to come forth and tell tidbits of truth...


Message for Chelsey
Tell the whole truth and tell it now even IF the truth will implicate you and your husband as knowing exactly what happened that afternoon/evening..
You know Tommy and Misty did not kill Haleigh.. You also know they cannot prove where Haleigh is or how the Cummings Clan disposed of her body...
Also, Misty is telling you LE will not listen to anything she is telling them about Ronald or anyone in his family... Find someone who will listen and take on LE down there... The corruption has to end and those who are involved who have had absolutely no pressure applied to them need to be held responsible...Don't allow your husband's family to be PCSO and LE's scapegoats..

 

[epiphany]

And Chels' comments on the disgusting sexual innuendos bout M and To---take it up with your ex-sister-in-law! Even Linds questions on video that her then hubby's relationship with his Sis is a tad bit over-de-top. Take it up w/M, Chels, who stated/planted that her own brother molested her when younger.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

AZWRITER Post #123 above (snipped)
"The main goal of her family should be to find her or find out what happened to her. And I for one do not see any of these people in this group reaching out for that goal. jmo"

This is MO also. What I see is more effort in trying to CYA and blame others. In fact, I find the actions of the paternal side to be nothing more than a "Crock"

o/t: TN and RC relationship baffles me. She acts as though she "knows" his character so well (contrary to what we hear from Chelsey and others). Yet when I read his grandfather Syke's obit it stated: (snipped) "Survivors include his wife of 22 years, Annette Sykes of Welaka; a son, Ronald Cummings of Crescent City; daughters Teresa Neves of Lady Lake, ..."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AJ&pg=5999,5413656&dq=myles-kirby-sykes&hl=en
this is an "unusual" family in my opinion

It reminds me a lot of a girl I went to high school with. She had a baby when she was 17 and her parents told her the only way she could keep the baby is if they raised him as their own. The girl was known as his sister and his grandparents were known as his parents. He called them mom and daddy and called his bio mother, Sister and still does. He lost his 'mother' when he was in his 20s and his 'daddy' when he was in his 30s and he was listed as their son in the obits. They had raised him from infancy to adulthood.

IMO

 

[dodie20]

Chelsea's explanations are too neat. So, Tommy & Timmy felt protective towards Misty? In the LVA test, MISTY begged to differ. Although she did stand up for Timmy, she had absolutely nothing good to say about Tommy. Chelsea doesn't have the right to dispute Misty accusations, & then treat those accusations like they originated from the Cummings or media. Misty has a brain, & she's entitled to tell HER story. Chelsea wasn't raised with Misty. She doesn't know what went on in that house, just like she didn't live at Ron's trailer, & doesn't know what went on there. If Chelsea is on a mission, to save Tommy, then I semi understand her position, but I don't like her speaking for people who've already spoken for themselves. Although her story is a neat, non violent, 'accidental' explanation, if it didn't happen it didn't happen. I think she is trying to do pre damage control, so when this goes to court, Tommy can claim involvement, but not be the murderer. It's too late for that. If the OD story was even close to being true, it would've come out a long time ago. & how does she explain Joe? because she, herself, pointed at him. Does this family detest him so much, that they jumped on an opportunity to frame him for murder, so he'd be locked up, & out of their hair?

 

[Bipolar Express]

It reminds me a lot of a girl I went to high school with. She had a baby when she was 17 and her parents told her the only way she could keep the baby is if they raised him as their own. The girl was known as his sister and his grandparents were known as his parents. He called them mom and daddy and called his bio mother, Sister and still does. He lost his 'mother' when he was in his 20s and his 'daddy' when he was in his 30s and he was listed as their son in the obits. They had raised him from infancy to adulthood.

IMO

Ted Bundy was in the same situation as a child..his mother was his "sister".

 

[justus4all]

Yeah I've always wondered about the "why it took so long to get home" question myself. It seems it would be reasonable for someone to stop off after work to pick up something at the store, I do it all the time, so I think that question was asked for other reasons. The subject of Ron and work reminds me of comments made by Ron's lawyer, I've wondered why Shoemaker had such a vague response to being asked about Ron's specific duties that night at work... he made it sound like Ron didn't operate the crane that night and couldn't say/describe exactly what he did except "moving materials around and other duties." I hope Ron/Shoemaker had something more descriptive than that to tell LE. Too vague for me. So many questions... so little answers!

underlined by me...

I agree with your opinion.....I also believe you have made a great point that I underlined....

This is my opinion of Ron at work that night...from his attorney making that statement/comment....

IF Ron WAS operating the crane that night....it would probably be difficult for him to leave the crane ..empty..and sitting..for periods of time..during that night..if he had plans on sneaking out....Employees may remember the crane ..not moving/sitting idle.....and Ron absent from the controls...

IF Ron chose...instead..to "walk around"..move materials from here to there...enter and leave various areas..employees may not be able to NOTICE when he DID sneak out..

That would give Ron an opportuntiy to "leave the area" ..walk around with materials..looking busy.....then sneak out..and no one would notice him gone..just notice he was in different areas..at different times...by different folks...if questioned..

Like his attorney making the statement...Ron was accountable.... FOR THE MOST PART......per the employees..that he was seen at work..all night..(paraphrasing)..His attorney just couldn't "sell" Ron's story that he was there 100%...

I have a feeling the LE figured that "ruse" out a long time ago...If there was a hole in the fence...the LE found it.....

MOO...