TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #26

[Wonless]

I think we need to make a list of what Karen, Clint, and Dana have each said. What they've said directly, picking it out of videos - and not what anybody else - reporters, LE, anybody - has said they've said.

Ok, I can't find the link to the video but back in April does anyone remember when, I think it was the sheriff or a TBI spokesman, was commenting about the rumor that HB was "dragged" into the woods, and he gave CB's account of her being turned and lead away with like she had a straight, stiff arm down to her side, and the perp, was holding it. The guy even demonstrated the position.. This was LE version of CB's story, and it was intended to clear up the "dragged" rumor. I wish I could post it to refresh memories. Anyway...if that version of events is true..I still don't think CB's story has changed. I mean he has never told the story before tonight right, only alluded to the events.

I think CB's story has to start from tonight.

Still I have to agree with yall, I mean the more you look at it the more CB looks like a total "horses behind" in the way he handled things. I think this might be a source of the Mom's axietity.
Also, I think that another aspect to this is that its obvious to me that either CB is not real bright or maybe has ADHD or something, his anwsers are not the anwsers to the questions..I think it may be just him. Anyone else thinking that?

 

[OldSteve]

Even though stories may change a bit, the media may misreport some things, and in hindsight family members may have wished they could have done things differently - and of course we love to dissect every statement the family makes - when you compare what LE was given in this case to what they get most other missing person's cases ... the ball was really in LE's court once it was reported Holly was taken.

 

[T4Tide]

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Why is no one saying they called Holly?? We all know she had a phone. Teens and their phones are inseparable. So why didn't CB call Holly instead of mom? Did mom then try to call Holly? I would give anything to see phone records from that morning. Did anyone call Holly? At what point did mom call dad? Did Dad try to call Holly? Just imagining my own family member missing... but even when my DH is late coming home from work, I blow up his phone trying to get on touch with him.

I've heard reports of CB calling mom. Mom calling 911, neighbors calling 911, mom talking to DS, etc....but I've never heard one report of someone saying they tried to call Holly. Did I miss this somewhere?

MOO, but the only reason I wouldn't call someone that I was searching for is because I knew they wouldn't answer, they didn't have their phone, etc. I wonder why LE hasn't released info about Holly's phone activity? I would just love to know who all tried to call her, and the last call/text made from her phone and what times.

 

[sumzero]

I think we can safely assume that mom, dad, brother, boyfriend -- and maybe others -- tried to call Holly. I can't imagine that the immediate and extensive search for her would have happened without someone first verifying that Holly could not be contacted by phone. It might be so obvious that nobody -- at least so far -- has thought to even mention it.

 

[cluciano63]

I wish someone competent, preferably someone from WS, could interview the Bobos. JVM is hopeless, I guess she means well, but she never follows up if they answer a different question from what she asked, and then the lousy phone connections, geez, this is the 21st century isn't it? Good grief...

Why can't an interviewer ask them to go step by step as to what happened that morning? I am sure they (the family) has done it in their minds a thousand times, but the questions they are asked are always out of sequence and disjointed, and not helping in what may be one of the most CONFUSING cases I have ever encountered.

 

[goldiegirl]

Sorry if this has still been addressed - I was away from the comp yesterday and have spent a while catching up but need to go to bed and still have page I haven't read, but has the transcript been released yet from JVM? I can't find it. I can't believe I missed that appearance! That'll teach me not to be away from WS for a day : )

 

[BeanE]

Transcript - Jane Velez Mitchell interviews Holly Bobo's Family
Thursday August 4 2011

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

 

[Darcyline]

Thank you for the transcript. I am even more confused now. So, he sees Holly and who he thinks is Drew kneeling in the garage then calls his mom semi-casually (from his own words?) talking to her about Holly and Drew. Then after all this he sees them walking and Holly isn't being forced at least by the person physically.

Why would he have her kneeling? Why take that long to get her out of there? Why would she go with him? Did he threaten her family? Did they chat beforehand? Did he hit her and that is why they were on the ground?

 

[Hippy Chick]

I have followed this case from the beginning just like all of you and that interview tonight was the strangest thing I have ever saw, mom was as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof. I mean I can understand being nervous but she seemed more nervous than most to me. And the brother I don't know he seemed a little slow or maybe sedated a bit. Then after commercial dad was gone and pastor was there. The brother said he saw them kneeling in the garage and he calls his mom and then sees her walk into the woods. Why didn't he look him self amd not call mom that was 20 miles away. Mom also said she didn't think the SO had anything to do with it. Then they say they don't have any idea what happened. I think they have an idea and a good one probably. I am more confused after this interview than I was before.

 

[goldiegirl]

Thank you for the transcript, BeanE! I thought I was blind, but it looks like it was hidden under the same link as the Warren Jeffs stuff.

 

[Telicity]

I think ... that it isn't a matter of trying to dissect what the family says, so much as it is trying to stretch things and find explanations for what they say. They are victims, we need to give them the benefit of the doubt. We must.

I know we aren't really allowed to focus on the family, and I don't mean to, but how many cases have there been (that we can access and read about, of course) where there have been multiple versions of the same story reported through whatever means, and it turned out that everything wasn't all hinky?

From what I can think of, that's pretty much a major hallmark of hink. This whole thing from day one has sounded to me like a bunch of stretching, pushing and pulling to make a believable abductor story.

My gut tells me to go along with what we are supposed to here: take the word of the single eyewitness as absolute truth. But my rational side can't help but ask a million questions, and every question that gets "answered" brings about ten more. I was so pleased to see the family speak finally. I watched and went "oh good. I can relax now and stop being so critical, they've finally cleared all this stuff up." And now I am not so sure.

This is a very unusual case. Perhaps the circumstances are making everything look a certain way that is not the case. But danged if I can think of any other recent case where everything turned out hunky-dory when there was so much misinformation abounding. Regardless of what the situation is, who is innocent, etc. they seriously NEED to come clean here. There is clearly something amiss, information they are not revealing, who knows. Maybe it's even as simple as them being afraid of someone .

 

[wanttohelp]

and what about this

Sheriff Wyatt: “It was a neighbor that lives just up the road there from the house, and didn’t see it, but heard the screams of the young lady as she was leaving the house.”

 

[Frogzilla]

I think we need to make a list of what Karen, Clint, and Dana have each said. What they've said directly, picking it out of videos - and not what anybody else - reporters, LE, anybody - has said they've said.

I have been going on and on about this for awhile now, as I know you are fully aware.
And now you want to discuss it! ullhair:
Look at my posts, if you dare! I have a lot of quotes from articles and paraphrases and direct quotes from videos of what the family has been saying compared to LE versions.

 

[concentric]

OK, from the transcript, the brother sees the "silhouette." That, to me means that he saw the forms of Holly and a guy either through a material like a somewhat transparent tarp, say a cloth carport, or he saw the forms of Holly and the guy cast onto an opposite wall or pavement, or there was a window from the house where you could see into the carport. I think he meant carport when he said garage. There had to be either the sun or another light source projecting those shadows.

If he meant the garage that was made into a room, then he wouldn't have said garage, right?

 

[Hippy Chick]

Did any one get the impression that the brother may be slow or was it just me?

 

[concentric]

And, that is certainly interesting that when I asked if there were any logging roads near the house in one of the first threads, it seems to be the case.

 

[BeanE]

I have been going on and on about this for awhile now, as I know you are fully aware.
And now you want to discuss it! ullhair:
Look at my posts, if you dare! I have a lot of quotes from articles and paraphrases and direct quotes from videos of what the family has been saying compared to LE versions.

Huh? No, I wasn't aware, Frog.

I didn't say anything about discussing. I said - as you quoted - that I think we need to put together lists of what each family member has said directly, with quotes from videos. Not what others have said, and certainly not paraphrasing. I'm not interested in comparing those lists to what LE - or anyone else - has said at this time.

I said after that (my next post) I don't know what to do.

If you already made those lists, no, I haven't seen them, and please, by all means post them again so I don't duplicate your efforts.

 

[Darcyline]

I don't think Clint seems slow. He seems sort of country and people from the country know what I mean. But it would be a mistake to think that country=slow.

I don't even really find the family as suspect as others. I do feel like there is something not being said that would make everything make sense. I cannot really put my finger on a theory of what though. :waitasec:

 

[Frogzilla]

I think ... that it isn't a matter of trying to dissect what the family says, so much as it is trying to stretch things and find explanations for what they say. They are victims, we need to give them the benefit of the doubt. We must.

I know we aren't really allowed to focus on the family, and I don't mean to, but how many cases have there been (that we can access and read about, of course) where there have been multiple versions of the same story reported through whatever means, and it turned out that everything wasn't all hinky?

From what I can think of, that's pretty much a major hallmark of hink. This whole thing from day one has sounded to me like a bunch of stretching, pushing and pulling to make a believable abductor story.

My gut tells me to go along with what we are supposed to here: take the word of the single eyewitness as absolute truth. But my rational side can't help but ask a million questions, and every question that gets "answered" brings about ten more. I was so pleased to see the family speak finally. I watched and went "oh good. I can relax now and stop being so critical, they've finally cleared all this stuff up." And now I am not so sure.

This is a very unusual case. Perhaps the circumstances are making everything look a certain way that is not the case. But danged if I can think of any other recent case where everything turned out hunky-dory when there was so much misinformation abounding. Regardless of what the situation is, who is innocent, etc. they seriously NEED to come clean here. There is clearly something amiss, information they are not revealing, who knows. Maybe it's even as simple as them being afraid of someone .

Lol ya, the truth has been stretched in this story like a stretch armstrong doll. It just keeps getting more and more confusing. I want to take CB word as 100% truth but his versions of the story keep getting added too, in a calculated way. CB and KB are confusing me with this phone call stuff, why can't they just give a direct timeline. She calls him, he calls her, which is it? Also, I am not a huge fan of this evasion from the family. It is becoming clear why they were not doing any interviews, almost 4 months later and the story cannot be straightened out still? Also, the misinformation in this case is seemingly coming from every direction, the family, media and LE. It is mind boggling, to say the least.

 

[BeanE]

I don't think Clint seems slow. He seems sort of country and people from the country know what I mean. But it would be a mistake to think that country=slow.

I don't even really find the family as suspect as others. I do feel like there is something not being said that would make everything make sense. I cannot really put my finger on a theory of what though. :waitasec:

Clint hasn't struck me as slow. None of them have struck me as anything but traumatized, which is certainly understandable.

I don't think any of them were involved in any way in Holly's disappearance.

I think what they say can be analyzed in terms of trying to construct a timeline, and reconstruct what happened, and I think it can be done without bashing any of the family members or accusing them of any involvement.

It's my understanding that that is within the rules and guidelines of this forum, but mods, please correct me if my understanding is inaccurate.