TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #26

[concentric]

The two of them kneeling, could have been that he startled her, she dropped what she was carrying, he then pulled a weapon on her and told her to pick it up, and they both bent down to pick up the stuff.

 

[Frogzilla]

Huh? No, I wasn't aware, Frog.

I didn't say anything about discussing. I said - as you quoted - that I think we need to put together lists of what each family member has said directly, with quotes from videos. Not what others have said, and certainly not paraphrasing. I'm not interested in comparing those lists to what LE - or anyone else - has said at this time.

I said after that (my next post) I don't know what to do.

If you already made those lists, no, I haven't seen them, and please, by all means post them again so I don't duplicate your efforts.

Here is part of one of my posts-
Maybe we could actually discuss reasons that information has not always been accurate in this case? Why the family is directly contradicting press releases? One piece of inaccurate info is forgivable, 4 months worth is a pattern.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/holly-bobo-...ry?id=13389409
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14...decatur-county
"What we believe, and I'll tell you he actually had an arm holding her and so we feel that she knew that she was in fear of her life so she was complying with his commands," he told a news conference. John Mehr, spokesman for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. - CB, the supposed eye witness, says he believes this is not true

Her brother, said Mehr, "had reasons to believe [the man] was not an attacker," and did not call 911 until he saw blood outside. - Bobo family said this is not true according to their last article/interview, CB never called 911 and blood was spotted when people were gathered on the driveway, according to HB father

The officer said that neither Bobo's brother nor her boyfriend were suspects. "We are confident of that," he said. - Later changed to nobody has been cleared

Helm (TBI spokesperson) said the crime lab is still analyzing blood found in a carport at the Bobo home. She said they believe it either belongs to Bobo or her abductor. - HB father says blood was found on the driveway when people were gathered waiting to search.

 

[Chili Fries]

Transcript - Jane Velez Mitchell interviews Holly Bobo's Family
Thursday August 4 2011

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

I don't see what's weird about this. Clint hears and sees two people in the garage. He can't make out who they are so he calls his mom to find out if they were people who were supposed to be at the house. He probably thought they could be people who were going to work on the house or something like that but he just wanted to make sure.

He calls his mom to find out and she tells him Holly should still be at home so he realizes it's Holly and somebody else. His obvious conclusion is that her boyfriend has stopped by. He then looks outside and sees her just walking towards the woods and the logging road with a guy wearing camo, who he still figures is her boyfriend.

I don't see anything weird or suspicious in that at all.

I would have liked JVM to go into the 911 calls but everything he said tonight makes sense to me.

 

[BeanE]

The two of them kneeling, could have been that he startled her, she dropped what she was carrying, he then pulled a weapon on her and told her to pick it up, and they both bent down to pick up the stuff.

Or if he punched her in the nose, and she dropped to her knees, shocked and dizzy - also dropping her belongings in the process - and he knelt to quick pick things up and tell her she was going to have to get up and go with him or else.

 

[BeanE]

Oriah - info for you and our SARs:

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did the blood trail lead anywhere?

K. BOBO: No.

C. BOBO: The trail in the woods leads to a logging road.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s a logging road, is that what you said?

C. BOBO: Right.

K. BOBO (BeanE note - I think this is VM rather than KB speaking): So she goes into this logging road, and then eight miles away her lunch pail shows up. What do you make of that, Karen? What do you make of the lunch pail showing up eight miles away from the home? That`s a long distance to walk, that would have to involve some kind of vehicle, I would think. Do they have any vehicle they`re looking for, Karen?

K. BOBO: As far as I know, if they do, I`m not sure what kind of vehicle that is. But, yes, I do believe a vehicle was involved.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you would think that where they found the lunch pail, they would have some kind of tire tracks or something. What about -- her cell phone was left at home?

K. BOBO: No, she had her cell phone with her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did they ever find it?

K. BOBO: I`m not sure about that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Have they been able to track it, the pings?

K. BOBO: I`m not sure about any of that?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

 

[concentric]

Or if he punched her in the nose, and she dropped to her knees, shocked and dizzy - also dropping her belongings in the process - and he knelt to quick pick things up and tell her she was going to have to get up and go with him or else.

I've always pictured it that he grabbed her in a choke hold from behind with a knife against her neck, and she's dropped the stuff. So now with this new info., I could see it like he tells her kneel down and retrieve the stuff, which they both do in tandem because he's connected to her.

 

[evelyn24]

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So where did you find the blood?

C. BOBO: It was in the garage, under where I saw the silhouette of them kneeled down in the garage.



(later)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now I want to go to Holly Bobo`s father, Mr. Bobo, your daughter`s lunch pack or lunch bag was found eight miles away in the woods. What about the blood? Have authorities told you that the blood is that of your daughter? And what do you make of the lunch pack being found eight miles away?

D. BOBO: Yes, they did tell us -- after a few weeks they did tell us that that blood did belong to our daughter. And as far as the lunch bag found that far away and some more stuff, I believe that was just more likely thrown out for a decoy. Might be to lead them away from where that really went, maybe.

Clint said he saw two silhouettes in the garage where the blood was identified as Holly's later by LE to the family. The confusing part is CB mentions seeing Holly and camo man after the garage walking into the woods; that's the last he saw Holly. He described them as casually walking side by side, but if Holly was hurt in the garage wouldn't she have ran, screamed, or wouldn't her body language show she wasn't with someone friendly strolling into the woods? She had to know her brother was still in the house and would come if she screamed loud and long enough.

 

[evelyn24]

I've always pictured it that he grabbed her in a choke hold from behind with knife against her neck, and she's dropped the stuff. So now with this new info., I could see it like he tells her kneel down and retrieve the stuff, which they both do in tandem because he's connected to her.

How do you go from a violent confrontation in the garage to them strolling side by side in the woods like nothing happened? At least according to Clint Bobo's interview to local media in the last two weeks. He was not alarmed at the sight of Holly and camo man walking into the woods together because he said they were side by side and walking into the woods like no big deal.
Even though now we find out he saw them together bent over in the garage and called his mom.

idk.

 

[concentric]

I don't think she could have screamed cause he probably had her in a choke hold initially and could have knicked her with the knife (there's the blood). Then he tells her he doesn't want to hurt her more and says something like calmly walk out (from the carport) with me and don't scream or worse will happen.

 

[evelyn24]

The mom Karen Bobo said she got a call from a neighbor who heard screams coming from their residence or at least near their home and called her at school. So either the neighbor heard something else and it was just a coincidence Holly was being hurt/abducted at the same time the neighbor heard this, or it was Holly screaming.

 

[helpfindthemissing]

C. BOBO: I spoke with mom -- I spoke with mom initially to find out who the people -- I heard two voices outside our house and I called mom to try to find out who these people were outside our house. But I had no idea who they were. JVM INTERVIEW EXCERPT

So can he identify the voice (s) (was Holly's one of the voices he heard)? Was it raised, whispering, casual? If there was blood in the garage then obviously something happened before that point. If he could hear them, then when he called his mom could the abducter and Holly hear Clint?

If I read that transcript correctly the blood in carport was Holly's.... two figures bent over something large....like a turkey (he says)...or a person? Like Holly? Was a second person involved? Was it Holly walking into the woods? How long after they were crouched in the CP did he see "them" walking into the woods? Questions, Questions, Questons.... Seriously gets more and more fishy.

 

[Frogzilla]

I don't see what's weird about this. Clint hears and sees two people in the garage. He can't make out who they are so he calls his mom to find out if they were people who were supposed to be at the house. He probably thought they could be people who were going to work on the house or something like that but he just wanted to make sure.

He calls his mom to find out and she tells him Holly should still be at home so he realizes it's Holly and somebody else. His obvious conclusion is that her boyfriend has stopped by. He then looks outside and sees her just walking towards the woods and the logging road with a guy wearing camo, who he still figures is her boyfriend.

I don't see anything weird or suspicious in that at all.

I would have liked JVM to go into the 911 calls but everything he said tonight makes sense to me.

What I find suspicious is why it took 4 months to tell this version of the story, yes another version IMO. The info given by the family in this interview is still missing pieces to the story and why was this info being guarded for so long? There is nothing there that is telling, except to say HB was kneeling in the garage with her abductor. It makes the story more difficult in some ways because if HB is attacked in a way that draws blood while they are in the garage, it is puzzling she would then casually walk off with a stranger. There is so much info still being withheld, like does CB think that HB and her abductor saw him when he saw them? If HB was in trouble and saw CB, I find it hard to believe she wouldn't yell for him to grab a gun. If she wasn't comfortable with this person in camo, why did she not yell anyway? Sure it is possible she walked away with him if he threatened her with a weapon, but it is puzzling she didn't put up any resistance, nowhere better to make your stand than at home. Also, if CB is the one who calls KB after the garage sighting, why in the last article/interview does KB say that a neighbor heard screams and the neighbor called her school and a secretary informed her, then KB calls CB. Also it is VERY odd in this version that CB has to call KB to see what is going on with HB, when CB now says he saw her in the garage. Why not just walk the 20 feet or however far and see for himself? This does not add up at all and adds to the mystery.

 

[concentric]

I think the scream came later when they were near or in the woods a ways off, and she realized he was going to bind her with duct tape.

 

[evelyn24]

C. BOBO: I spoke with mom -- I spoke with mom initially to find out who the people -- I heard two voices outside our house and I called mom to try to find out who these people were outside our house. But I had no idea who they were. JVM INTERVIEW EXCERPT

So can he identify the voice (s) (was Holly's one of the voices he heard)? Was it raised, whispering, casual? If there was blood in the garage then obviously something happened before that point. If he could hear them, then when he called his mom could the abducter and Holly hear Clint?

If I read that transcript correctly the blood in carport was Holly's.... two figures bent over something large....like a turkey (he says)...or a person? Like Holly? Was a second person involved? Was it Holly walking into the woods? How long after they were crouched in the CP did he see "them" walking into the woods? Questions, Questions, Questons.... Seriously gets more and more fishy.

Also, to go from seeing only silhouettes in the garage, and not being able to even recognize one as your own sister, to then saying the man in the garage had on camo so you thought it was Holly's bf Drew showing Holly a turkey he shot and killed and that's why you ignored it? Yet that is where Holly's blood is found according to Dana Bobo.

Idk

 

[concentric]

A silhouette by definition is a shadow projected onto a lighter surface.

 

[Frogzilla]

I've always pictured it that he grabbed her in a choke hold from behind with a knife against her neck, and she's dropped the stuff. So now with this new info., I could see it like he tells her kneel down and retrieve the stuff, which they both do in tandem because he's connected to her.

The problem I have with thinking down this path, according to versions we have been told, is CB says he saw HB and her abductor not once, but twice (garage and walking toward woods) and both times must of appeared seemingly innocent. If one silhouette is attacking the other or hovering over the other in an aggressive way, that would be obvious IMO. The same as if they were walking away together, walking casually together and being forced to walk would look a bit different. The other problem is after two seemingly innocent sightings, CB claimed in the last article that he now knows she was threatened and led into the woods against her will. How does he know this, did the abductor tell him after the fact? These versions of the story do not jive with me.

 

[Darcyline]

I still feel like her body language would have been really obvious if a large man did something to make her bleed just moments earlier. But, maybe Clint just glanced at them and couldn't read how tense she must have been? But, he could make out clothing, the fact that Holly wasn't being physically held or led at this point, and a basic body shape/size/height? But then again he is a man so maybe body language isn't a detail that would be noticed while camo would be?

 

[helpfindthemissing]

Also, to go from seeing only silhouettes in the garage, and not being able to even recognize one as your own sister, to then saying the man in the garage had on camo so you thought it was Holly's bf Drew showing Holly a turkey he shot and killed and that's why you ignored it? Yet that is where Holly's blood is found according to Dana Bobo.

Idk

Exactly. Wild Turkey's are huge and he stated something about thinking it was a turkey several times. I would also think he would recognize his sisters voice, even if it was whispered. Leads me to believe if he had to call his mom to ask her then it wasnt his sisters voice he heard. I really am wondering now if more than one person was involved. If only one was involved.....what was the large object between them that they were hunched over? If the blood was found there in the spot they were hunched over...as you stated...it would have had to have been Holly. So who else/or was someone else was there?

 

[concentric]

I'm just giving what I think could have been the scenario to explain what Clint described.
You don't have to agree. But please don't attack me for having an opinion. We all garner ideas from our own experiences, what we've studied, etc. My own mother was attacked from behind by a guy who had his hand over her mouth and a knife held to her. I've been a victim myself, as have many other people here.

 

[concentric]

How do you see clothes from a silhouette? It's a black body form. Clint probably described the guy's camo from seeing them as they exited the garage (carport).