TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #26

[cluciano63]

Perhaps an item or items dropped on a road leading to an interstate, for example, when the perp actually did not take the interstate...but since they don't know where he went, it hardly helps to know where the phone ended up or even to know where it had been...by now, the location of any recovered items is meaningless and if they did not yield any prints or DNA, the items themselves are useless too.

 

[T4Tide]

Doesn't LE sometimes not give out all the information regarding a crime, even to the victim's family, because they (LE) are attempting to figure out who is giving factual information and who is not? I mean, if LE lays out exactly every bit of evidence they had and it was on every news channel, it would be super easy for a perp to keep it straight, correct? However, if LE keeps their lips sealed, it leads me to believe they've got their eye on someone(s) and they are watching every move and every story they tell. (Or at least I'm hopeful, for Holly's sake.)

 

[concentric]

Ummm, I hate to keep saying this- but I believe we may be making more work for all of our wonderful mods on Websleuths.

Can we go back to where Holly might be?
The FBI thinks she was:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

<Holly Lynn Bobo was last seen early on the morning of April 13, 2011, outside of her home in Darden, Tennessee. She was seen being led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area by a man described as approximately 5'8" to 6'0" tall and 200 pounds, wearing camouflage clothing>

Are we clear on which 'wooded area' we are talking about here?

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Article above says "led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area"

I still think Clint was referring to the "carport" when he said "garage".

 

[goldiegirl]

I am unbelievably confused. Does anyone else remember where the interview or information came from that said that Karen first knew something was wrong when the neighbor who heard the scream called the school? Where did that come from? I can't remember now if that was something the family said or if it was in an article somewhere.

So, if these are both true that the neighbor called the school and Clint "got in touch with" Karen, I wonder what order this all happened in. Did the neighbor call and then Karen called Clint? I think I remember hearing that somewhere. But Clint makes it sound like HE called HER to find out who was in the garage. Did the neighbor call, Karen was on the way home, and Clint happened to call, too?

So confused. Any clarification would be nice : )

 

[goldiegirl]

I support the family, and this isn't meant in any way to cast aspersions on Clint, but one particular thing from the interview stuck out to me, and I just wonder what it meant. When JVM asked Clint whether or not he saw the turkey, he answered, "No, it was gone," as if it had been confirmed that there ever was a turkey. Probably nothing, but I found the wording odd. I would have expected him to say, "No, I didn't actually see a turkey" or "If there had been one it was gone by the time I went out there." Maybe the latter is what he meant to say, but it came out strange.

 

[goodgirl65]

For anyone interested, here are a couple of links to some forensic astrology analyses of Holly's charts..The first link is a thread from the now-closed astrology forum on WS. The other link is to a forensic astrology blogspot:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133675&highlight=holly+bobo

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2011/05/holly-bobo.html

 

[goodgirl65]

I support the family, and this isn't meant in any way to cast aspersions on Clint, but one particular thing from the interview stuck out to me, and I just wonder what it meant. When JVM asked Clint whether or not he saw the turkey, he answered, "No, it was gone," as if it had been confirmed that there ever was a turkey. Probably nothing, but I found the wording odd. I would have expected him to say, "No, I didn't actually see a turkey" or "If there had been one it was gone by the time I went out there." Maybe the latter is what he meant to say, but it came out strange.

A poster here, and myself listened carefully to the audio...I believe he says "They were gone"

 

[helpfindthemissing]

CB mentioned a logging road in the transcript. I do not see anything like that on the map? Does anyone else?

I.M.O. After reading what the weather was that morning (somewhere between 41 and 48 at the time of abduction) I would think she would have been wearing more, a jacket, a pull over, something. (thank you for providing the weather for that day, by the way) I have not seen any reports stating she was wearing anything other than the pink shirt/jeans/flip flops.

I also recall an article somewhere way back in the begining that had stated that Drew had been contacted by Holly. I tried to find it again and couldnt locate it.

I know I have speculated alot on what could have happened and who may or may not have been involved. That said I can not even begin to imagine the guilt that CB must feel given the fact that he was the last to see her. I do not think CB is involved.

I honestly believe he was tired/groggy and maybe he himself doesnt know what was a dream vs reality. I think that the scream made the dog bark but the dog was inside and closer so thats what CB is assuming woke him up. Have you ever woke up and sat straight up in bed and there was total silence for a minute and you cant figure out what woke you and then a moment later, whatever the real culprate was appears (for example my littlest has asthma, I can hear when he is having an attack in his cough. I have been awoken by this before and not known it until he coughs again). Just my opinion. As far as the rest of it? Very confusing. I wish the Bobo's would join up and fill in the blanks.... you know...help us to help them.

If the abducter was in the home/garage what about finger prints? You would think they left some.

Wild speculation: Wonder why they didnt take the car? Maybe Holly had thrown her car keys towards the woods and the abductor was taking her in that direction to locate her keys (When CB saw them), never walking her through the woods at all..... wasn't there a report that said the dogs never caught HB's scent in the woods?:waitasec:

 

[helpfindthemissing]

watched the interview again.... He said they were holding the turkey. Odd choice of words.

 

[helpfindthemissing]

I have been thinking about the whole blood in the garage thing.... What if she hurt herself not the abductor? For example.... What if she stubbed her toe? She had flip flops right? Or the abductor scared her because he was waiting in the garage.... she drops her coke (assuming it a can) her flip flop falls off and she steps on open soda can cutting her foot (or it falls on her foot, on the exposed part, cutting it open). Small amount of blood. She may not know she is being abducted at this point, especially if she knew the person? So maybe she is not in fear of the person harming her. Just trying to give a reasonable answer for the blood in the garage and her failure to appear to be in danger as they were seen walking away.

 

[Darcyline]

I have always thought the screams and phone call from neighbor came after Clint originally called his mom. If it came before I am even more baffled how he didn't wake up. The screaming would have had to reach a neighbor living really far away-there are no houses even really close. It always made more sense to me that the screams came after they had walked away from the house and closer to a neighbor's house.

Can anyone clarify?

 

[BeanE]

I support the family, and this isn't meant in any way to cast aspersions on Clint, but one particular thing from the interview stuck out to me, and I just wonder what it meant. When JVM asked Clint whether or not he saw the turkey, he answered, "No, it was gone," as if it had been confirmed that there ever was a turkey. Probably nothing, but I found the wording odd. I would have expected him to say, "No, I didn't actually see a turkey" or "If there had been one it was gone by the time I went out there." Maybe the latter is what he meant to say, but it came out strange.

If you listen to the video, he actually stumbles a bit as if confused by her question, then says, "No, they was gone".

I don't think there was a turkey. I think Clint was saying that he thought at the time that perhaps they were bent down looking at a turkey.

I am very glad, though, that we have gotten a turkey, albeit a phantom one, in this case.

:turkey:

 

[BeanE]

CB mentioned a logging road in the transcript. I do not see anything like that on the map? Does anyone else?

I've been trying to figure out where the logging road is also. If anyone has any pictures and ideas, please post!

(I think this is Carla's job. :angel

 

[BeanE]

watched the interview again.... He said they were holding the turkey. Odd choice of words.

What? Holding a turkey? Can you give the minute mark where you hear this? I don't hear that at all.

:turkey:

 

[BeanE]

I have been thinking about the whole blood in the garage thing.... What if she hurt herself not the abductor? For example.... What if she stubbed her toe? She had flip flops right? Or the abductor scared her because he was waiting in the garage.... she drops her coke (assuming it a can) her flip flop falls off and she steps on open soda can cutting her foot (or it falls on her foot, on the exposed part, cutting it open). Small amount of blood. She may not know she is being abducted at this point, especially if she knew the person? So maybe she is not in fear of the person harming her. Just trying to give a reasonable answer for the blood in the garage and her failure to appear to be in danger as they were seen walking away.

It's possible. Or she could have tripped and fell on the turkey and been cut by its beak.

Possible but improbable. I haven't heard anything to indicate that Holly was unusually clumsy, or prone to improbable accidents.

:turkey:

Personally, I'm sure she was wounded by the kidnapper. I could be wrong.

 

[BeanE]

I have always thought the screams and phone call from neighbor came after Clint originally called his mom. If it came before I am even more baffled how he didn't wake up. The screaming would have had to reach a neighbor living really far away-there are no houses even really close. It always made more sense to me that the screams came after they had walked away from the house and closer to a neighbor's house.

Can anyone clarify?

We don't know for sure the sequence of events.

I wish the Bobos would hire a professional who does timelines, and work with them to iron out a timeline, and then provide that to LE.

If they'd also provide it to us, it would be like Christmas.

 

[Oriah]

CB mentioned a logging road in the transcript. I do not see anything like that on the map? Does anyone else?

I.M.O. After reading what the weather was that morning (somewhere between 41 and 48 at the time of abduction) I would think she would have been wearing more, a jacket, a pull over, something. (thank you for providing the weather for that day, by the way) I have not seen any reports stating she was wearing anything other than the pink shirt/jeans/flip flops.

I also recall an article somewhere way back in the begining that had stated that Drew had been contacted by Holly. I tried to find it again and couldnt locate it.

I know I have speculated alot on what could have happened and who may or may not have been involved. That said I can not even begin to imagine the guilt that CB must feel given the fact that he was the last to see her. I do not think CB is involved.

I honestly believe he was tired/groggy and maybe he himself doesnt know what was a dream vs reality. I think that the scream made the dog bark but the dog was inside and closer so thats what CB is assuming woke him up. Have you ever woke up and sat straight up in bed and there was total silence for a minute and you cant figure out what woke you and then a moment later, whatever the real culprate was appears (for example my littlest has asthma, I can hear when he is having an attack in his cough. I have been awoken by this before and not known it until he coughs again). Just my opinion. As far as the rest of it? Very confusing. I wish the Bobo's would join up and fill in the blanks.... you know...help us to help them.

If the abducter was in the home/garage what about finger prints? You would think they left some.

Wild speculation: Wonder why they didnt take the car? Maybe Holly had thrown her car keys towards the woods and the abductor was taking her in that direction to locate her keys (When CB saw them), never walking her through the woods at all..... wasn't there a report that said the dogs never caught HB's scent in the woods?:waitasec:

BBM:
You cannot see the logging roads and trails on a google or bing map, or on google earth. You have to be on the ground in order to see them.

Perhaps someone could search youTube and similar sites to see if there are videos or pics of the area.

 

[Oriah]

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Article above says "led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area"

I still think Clint was referring to the "carport" when he said "garage".

I agree. And I believe the direction of travel was N/NE.

But I hope the reference to the article above is not the 'Kidnapping' poster!?

That's not an article- that's a release by federal law inforcement.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

It would be hard for Clint to be considered suspect because of the scream and the 911 call. Not much time there to hide a body. Now Clint could be telling the absolute truth or he covering for somebody.

A stranger hanging around the scene this along doesn't work for me. We have three different scenes. The car; the garage; and the woods.

Clint says blood was near the car with a coke can. Clint says two people were kneeling and he found blood at that spot later.

I have the car in the driveway but according to Clint, it had to be in garage. This makes the space tighter to see anything such as silhouettes. That term implies indoor lighting...and darkness viewing it.

Clint does not say the car is in the garage, which by previous accounts was enclosed and is used as house/living space and not for storing cars. Now exactly where Hollys car was is up for interpretation. I don't think it is of super importance at least based on what we now know. The blood was found in the garage. I think also the local that used to post here pointed out that while the garage was enclosed and now more like just part of the house proper, it was still referred to as the "garage".

What is frustrating is that prior reports have placed her car in the drive way or on the car port. The more detailed accounting of what happened that came out in July said the car was in the driveway in front of the house.

Ultimately none of what Clint saw involved the car from what we can tell, so its sort of moot at this time.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

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Article above says "led away from the carport of her home toward a wooded area"

I still think Clint was referring to the "carport" when he said "garage".

Clint said very clearly in the JVM article that Holly and camo man were in the garage and that it was attached to the house. It seems that the car port is an open structure behind the garage on the back of the house.

The direction that Clint saw Holly and camo man walking was North which is in the opposite direction from the garage and car port, which are on the South end of the house.