TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #26

[BeanE]

from your first post

"Why didn't Clint hear the screams, but Holly did?"

I didnt know Holly heard any screams. I thought she was screaming. Or it is assumed she screamed. Thats why I asked if you meant why didn't clint hear but the neighbor did?

Oh God. :floorlaugh: Yes, there I meant the neighbor - not Holly!!!

 

[wfgodot]

When my child was murdered we were never given any information and did not find out much of the things until trial. We were not even allowed to see the autopsy or speak with the medical examiner. The Prosecutor kept saying that they did not want to risk the case.

Here in Oklahoma, the OSBI tried to push through a law much like the
(alleged) Tennessee one, but the legislature wouldn't hear of it. (Yet.)

 

[wfgodot]

Oh God. :floorlaugh: Yes, there I meant the neighbor - not Holly!!!

Revenge of the Turducken!

 

[BeanE]

snipperoo


Yes, the question of the scream, magnified by its utter absence in media interviews,
might be one of those things the lawyer has put off-base.

I meant advised by LE and changed my post to reflect that. I haven't seen anything to indicate any of the Bobos have an attorney.

 

[BeanE]

Revenge of the Turducken!

LOL! :floorlaugh:

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Here in Oklahoma, the OSBI tried to push through a law much like the
(alleged) Tennessee one, but the legislature wouldn't hear of it. (Yet.)

It is not a law here. We do have victims rights which are the right to be present during the trial even if we are called as a witness and notification of any upcoming hearings or court proceedings.

The prosecutor will seal everything and you don't get to know anything. I've seen other trials that have done this also. Remember Casey Anthony, they did not unseal some of the evidence in her trial (the tape of her having melt down).

It's really up to the Judge and Prosecutor. They also have to protect the suspect to be sure they get a fair trial. I know it's hard to believe especially if your child was mutilated and to think they are worrying about the murderer.

 

[Oriah]

Ummm, not picking on anyone? :waitasec:

I just want fellow posters to understand that from a SAR standpoint, it is very important to determine the exact direction of travel (especially when someone is missing under duress, and last seen on foot.)

Ok my only use of the word NORTH is in reference to the direction Clint saw them walking through in the back yard... where they went after Clint lost sight of them, who knows.

I never said directions were not important. Not at all. I just dont know why you are picking on me for using the word NORTH that Clint used. I am not talking about mileage, roads, etc. I am talking about two people walking past a window in a said direction. That all.

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Ummm, not picking on anyone? :waitasec:

I just want fellow posters to understand that from a SAR standpoint, it is very important to determine the exact direction of travel (especially when someone is missing under duress, and last seen on foot.)

Thats fine... :truce: I never said or implied it was not important. maybe your concerns should be in a post all by themself where you can expand upon your feelings or expertise in this area.

hopefully this is resolved.

 

[wfgodot]

I meant advised by LE and changed my post to reflect that. I haven't seen anything to indicate any of the Bobos have an attorney.

Gotcha. Advised by one or the other, or perhaps both. If they have a lawyer. Which is an assumption as no MSM has confirmed that as fact. I don't think. And LE might have their reasons.

 

[cluciano63]

My wish is that the Bobo family will go on TV every day until what happened to Holly and the events leading up to it, are made more clear...not saying I'll get my wish, or even that I should, but still...

 

[TxLady2]

It is not a law here. We do have victims rights which are the right to be present during the trial even if we are called as a witness and notification of any upcoming hearings or court proceedings.

The prosecutor will seal everything and you don't get to know anything. I've seen other trials that have done this also. Remember Casey Anthony, they did not unseal some of the evidence in her trial (the tape of her having melt down).

It's really up to the Judge and Prosecutor. They also have to protect the suspect to be sure they get a fair trial. I know it's hard to believe especially if your child was mutilated and to think they are worrying about the murderer.

It's not only to protect the suspect, but to protect the case. LE has to keep certain details to themselves because if the media gets hold of it, it might not be allowed to come in at trial. And until a suspect is caught and charged, they do not want him/her to know they're onto them.. the element of surprise is a good thing. Too many details being released could cause them to run and hide... or to kill the person they abducted.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I am really glad the family has hit the TV circuit in the last couple of weeks. This thread was dying fast. It really saddened me to see one post a day or one post every two days for a while. I knew people hadn't given up, but honestly what more was there to say after 3 months with such sketchy info to go on.

At least now people are all pumped up and thinking and coming up with new avenues to investigate, and reinvestigating old details or ideas.

I gotta say also I really do not know exactly what kind of crime we are dealing with here. When a woman visits an abusive, estranged husband, and suddenly goes missing, and the wife's friends and family all say that the ex did it... you can sort of figure out what happened. But in this case, its a real mystery. It doesn't fit a lot of common profiles for a crime.

One thing I had just thought of... ARE ANY ITEMS MISSING FROM THE BOBO HOME? While I have not really consiered this to be a robbery attempt, based on the original description of events that were said to have occurred outside of the house. But with things now happening within the attached garage/room of the house, that changes things a lot. Was Holly assaulted in the garage? Was Holly surprised outside and taken back into the garage at the time Clint observed them? If it was a home invasion, why not continue on into the house, especially if you were armed and had a hostage? Seems odd to plan out a home invasion (which usually implies people were at home) and then just take someone with you and leave? Could missing items be withheld by LE for use later on in helping to identify an aprehended subject? This was done in the Anne Pressly murder... a few items were taken from her home but not revealed to be stolen until the trial. So a lot of people felt it was a straight murder and not a robbery gone bad, which is what that crime really was.

 

[wfgodot]

The reluctance of LE to release almost any type of information they have results in a shutting out of the general public's interest and participation in the case. It is not the Bobo family's job to find Holly, it's LE's. The Bobos have been forced into TV appearances to keep this crime in the public mind. That should not have to be the case. LE's handling of this case if baffling: no attempt to use social media to garner tips, and instead the release of info about this RSO who does not meet Clint's description of the kidnapper. The reward hasn't worked. Holly's been gone over a hundred days. Don't hide behind a law that says you don't have to. TRY SOMETHING NEW.

 

[shefner]

I'm not sure I agree with the theory that the enclosed garage is part of the living space in the home. Let's face it...if there was actually an intruder within the house then I think Clint would have had a better view of him...and would have been able to hear what was being said. By the same token, the intruder would have heard Clint making the phone call to his mom and would have realized he might have been identified.

I think the blood and the spilled Coke were found outside on the driveway area. I doubt very seriously if Clint would have thought that 2 people were standing over a killed turkey in the house. This has to be an outside area. I am not sure of the terminology...but I don't believe this unsub was in the living area of the house. I think he got Holly as she was approaching her car....but I still don't know exactly where her car was parked.

Such a very confusing case. Total lack of clarity.

Interesting theories by everyone, though.

 

[Whisperer]

BBM:
I'm not sure what this means. :waitasec:
I don't WANT to think anything.
I was trying to clarify the direction of travel that Holly and her abductor may have taken.

From a SAR standpoint, it is critically important to know very specifically which direction Holly and her abductor may have taken. Any and all information about this is useful.

Mileage, timing, access to roads.... it is all very important.
I don't want to argue over semantics either- but I guess I don't understand why folks are debating the value of this information.

I understand completely coming from the point of view..to actually locate where she is. In my mind to find her it would be important to know who has taken her. To do that, the perp needs a profile. If stranger and sexual, they would normally get rid of the body quickly. If known, all avenues are opened up. Was the crime scene organized/disorganized? We don't have Holly but there is a witness. So far, it appears to be disorganized due to taking her different places before whisking her away. This could be due to rage or impulsive behavior.

If a predator were tracking her, taking her from her home would not be the first choice. He could have got her away from the home near the school, on the road, etc. So far, this appears (to me) to be an impulsive act. If a stranger (alone) stormed that home, he was not bright or was emotionally charged. The perp was very angry with her, IMO.Since Holly was the focus, this is either sexual or a rage situation. All we have is her walking into the woods, apparently carrying her lunch and a phone...bizarre. Cue to this oddity, the person most likely knew Holly.

To sum it up, there is a scream at 7:30am, holly being near her car, kneeling in a garage and then her walking, unassisted in the woods. Then LE called at 8:00am. Are the tapes of the 911s available? Not much help here, I'm afraid. These rural towns in the South so far haven't a good track record at finding people.

 

[Peepers]

When my child was murdered we were never given any information and did not find out much of the things until trial. We were not even allowed to see the autopsy or speak with the medical examiner. The Prosecutor kept saying that they did not want to risk the case.

OMG..Im so sorry....what a horrible thing to live through..

 

[Darcyline]

I am originally from the West Coast, but moved to the country later in life. I do have to say that one of the most shocking things to me was not only that people still hunt, but also that animal corpses are brought everywhere. It really doesn't not seem that weird to me that a dead turkey may be brought into an enclosed living area of some sort. The first week I lived in the South I saw someone carry a bag of deer parts through a living room and thought I would die. Now it just seems normal.

Long explanation just to give another perspective for people thinking it is weird that Clint thought a turkey me be brought into the house or "living area" somehow. I don't think that would be as weird if you live in a really, really country hunting area.

 

[Whisperer]

Well since Clint is the only witness ANY account we have gotten from LE and the Family since day one is based on what Clint said. And how many different stories do we have. In recent weeks the family has made several public TV appearances (good!!) but each time they tell the story it is different from previous stories.

For example, if the stories are not contradictory or confusing, how come we did not know until the other day that Clint saw camo man TWICE, and that camo man and Holly were in the garage and that things reported to have been found outside like the blood were also inside.

Once again, we have a problem understanding what CB is saying and truthfully, it is getting tiring trying to interpret it.

There was no garage. So holly was inside the house with this man. That means she may have let him in the house. I would think the parents would have locked the door when they left. just assuming.

So the dog was going crazy with the action INSIDE the house. There was no signs of forced entry reported. This case will put me over the cliff. These facts do not add up. Will somebody tell me more about Clint. Does he have some kind of disorder that hasn't been stated? If not, this part of the country has a different language than the rest of us.

No forced entry
blood in a living space; not in the garage as reported
blood by car (now I have to try to retrieve that little tidbit
empty coke can. I suspect Holly may have been drinking coke to stay awake. She was up at 4:30am studying for exam.

If surprised at the car, why go into the house? As crazy as this is, clues may have to be reversed. What a coincidence that she was up and awake very early that morning and a *stranger* comes to the house to take her/harm her/abduct her/rape her/or kill her. If he surprised her at her car in the driveway, he had to be pretty crazy to take her back in the house. Wouldn't it have been locked?

 

[Whisperer]

I am originally from the West Coast, but moved to the country later in life. I do have to say that one of the most shocking things to me was not only that people still hunt, but also that animal corpses are brought everywhere. It really doesn't not seem that weird to me that a dead turkey may be brought into an enclosed living area of some sort. The first week I lived in the South I saw someone carry a bag of deer parts through a living room and thought I would die. Now it just seems normal.

Long explanation just to give another perspective for people thinking it is weird that Clint thought a turkey me be brought into the house or "living area" somehow. I don't think that would be as weird if you live in a really, really country hunting area.

I will keep this in mind, I would not be alive long if left to witness the brutality of animals. Do the people there not have turkey in their grocery stores? and deer, I don't want to go there because I can't take it. Humans are the most cruel species on earth.

 

[Whisperer]

When my child was murdered we were never given any information and did not find out much of the things until trial. We were not even allowed to see the autopsy or speak with the medical examiner. The Prosecutor kept saying that they did not want to risk the case.

I am sorry for your loss. This is crazy, why you could not discuss the case would be sheer "HeII". Darn criminals have more rights than the victims.