TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #27

[cluciano63]

No, I think JVM had talked about Holly before at some point...but nothing was ever useful so it hardly matters...JMO

 

[wishuwerehere]

“Sunday, April 17, Day 5: Search intensifies
Late Sunday afternoon a source tweeted that several waterway searches were in progress and that dive teams were being utilized.”
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-week-review#ixzz1UegaCIUX

However, they don’t state exactly what waterways have been searched. I was wondering if they have searched ponds nearby on others’ property as well?

It's not stated in the video above (the Geraldo video at Post #113) where the pond shown is located. Whether it be on the Bobo's property or somewhere else.

 

[VirginiaDoll]

Hi all!

This is my first post regarding Holly Bobo and I just wanted to do a quick re cap, as I have been pouring over various news for the last few days trying to piece together what is the most honest/exact set of minute details. (Of course this is my opinion only, based on what I have read.)

1. Clint states that Holly was never dragged. He said he saw her walking towards the woods, with a man holding her arm. Thought it was her boyfriend. LE also stated that it was a media/LE miscommunication that she was dragged.

2. Phone calls to family and LE were:
a. Neighbor hears screams, calls local school where Mother, Karen, works.
b. Neighbor calls 911
c. Mother calls brother, asked if he had seen Holly, and Clint said he saw her walking with her boyfriend. Mother exclaims "It wasn't her boyfriend!" Hangs up.
d. Mother hangs up with son and immediately calls 911.
e. Clint realizes something is wrong, goes out to the drive way, sees blood, calls 911 and runs to the woods where he last saw Holly walking with man approx. 6 ft. Finds nothing.
f. Sherriff (not TBI) said call came in at 7:59am but didnt say which call for help it was.

3. Father, Dana, said it was his opinion that the lunch sack and belongings found, may have been placed there to throw LE off the trail.

4. Dogs trace Holly's scent into the woods, but never found exit point.

5. Father, Dana alspo states he believes the perp must have known the family well enough to know when they left for work/school.


Questions:
Does anyone have an exact time for the the 911 calls?
When did the first police car arrived to the Bobo house?
What exact time did they start the offical search?
How large is the wooded area?
Are there any roads that go out of the wooded area to the street?
With everyone just standing around the Bobo's yard/driveway waiting to search, didnt anybody leave and start driving the roads nearby the woods?

The family said they feel terrible no road blocks,searches were set up during this time and feel like they could've missed a window of oppoortunity (what an awful 'what if' to have!). I guess in a crisis, people just wait for the police, but it surprises me that no one though to go to the roads that sat at the perimiter of the woods.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Hi all!



Questions:
Does anyone have an exact time for the the 911 calls? No
When did the first police car arrived to the Bobo house? Not known
What exact time did they start the offical search? Not known but not right away
How large is the wooded area? vast
Are there any roads that go out of the wooded area to the street? trails and logging roads in area
With everyone just standing around the Bobo's yard/driveway waiting to search, didnt anybody leave and start driving the roads nearby the woods? Parents said LE wouldnt let people into woods

edited down to get to the question part

 

[Oriah]

Oriah would the dogs be confused if her scent were all over the property?
Still, they should have followed it into the wooded area, though, right? If she had entered the woods on foot? What if she was carried at that point and tossed into a nearby waiting vehicle?

The thing about what MF said on Fox, it was never really picked up on by any other media or further explored, or even contradicted, it's like he just said it and that was the end of it, other than rumors and message boards, as far as I know. It would be significant info, if true.

Hi cluciano!
A properly trained trailing dog with a good scent article from the missing person- and put on scent within the period of time described in Holly's abduction- should be able to follow the trail of a person (especially one on foot) for miles.

If there were a waiting vehicle that Holly was placed in- then the dog(s) should have trailed her through the wooded area to a vehicle access area- such as the logging trail.

They shouldn't have stopped at the treeline; and I don't know that they did...
But either way- we have a couple of scenarios:
*The dog(s) used initially were not properly trained for trailing a live scent.
*The dog(s) used initially were trained in tracking and/or trailing, but not trained in HRD.
*They were 'guided' by a handler in the direction of the wooded area behind the Bobo home b/c of witness accounts.
*The dog(s) actually lost scent at the treeline because Holly was moved from there, and not on foot.
*Holly never went anywhere on foot.

There are a few other possibilities as well- but these are the most likely, IMO.

 

[BeanE]

Hi all!

This is my first post regarding Holly Bobo and I just wanted to do a quick re cap, as I have been pouring over various news for the last few days trying to piece together what is the most honest/exact set of minute details. (Of course this is my opinion only, based on what I have read.)

1. Clint states that Holly was never dragged. He said he saw her walking towards the woods, with a man holding her arm. Thought it was her boyfriend. LE also stated that it was a media/LE miscommunication that she was dragged.

2. Phone calls to family and LE were:
a. Neighbor hears screams, calls local school where Mother, Karen, works.
b. Neighbor calls 911
c. Mother calls brother, asked if he had seen Holly, and Clint said he saw her walking with her boyfriend. Mother exclaims "It wasn't her boyfriend!" Hangs up.
d. Mother hangs up with son and immediately calls 911.
e. Clint realizes something is wrong, goes out to the drive way, sees blood, calls 911 and runs to the woods where he last saw Holly walking with man approx. 6 ft. Finds nothing.
f. Sherriff (not TBI) said call came in at 7:59am but didnt say which call for help it was.

3. Father, Dana, said it was his opinion that the lunch sack and belongings found, may have been placed there to throw LE off the trail.

4. Dogs trace Holly's scent into the woods, but never found exit point.

5. Father, Dana alspo states he believes the perp must have known the family well enough to know when they left for work/school.


Questions:
Does anyone have an exact time for the the 911 calls?
When did the first police car arrived to the Bobo house?
What exact time did they start the offical search?
How large is the wooded area?
Are there any roads that go out of the wooded area to the street?
With everyone just standing around the Bobo's yard/driveway waiting to search, didnt anybody leave and start driving the roads nearby the woods?

The family said they feel terrible no road blocks,searches were set up during this time and feel like they could've missed a window of oppoortunity (what an awful 'what if' to have!). I guess in a crisis, people just wait for the police, but it surprises me that no one though to go to the roads that sat at the perimiter of the woods.

It should be noted when reading the below that it was said that 911 calls went to two different counties. Wyatt is Decatur county. Also should be noted that it's unclear how many 911 calls there were - somewhere between 0 and 4 at last count.

April 15: Decatur County Sheriff Roy Wyatt:
msnbc.com Video Player

Case Signal transcription:

Sheriff Wyatt: “It was shortly before we got the call at my office, which came in at 7:59am. Officers was dispatched, and then we took it up from there. The mother was there on the scene when we got there.”

April 14: ABC 7 WBBJ
http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Decatur-County-Abduction-119818374.html

- Because the area where the incident happened is rural, investigators said it took time for police to arrive and organize the search.

- The family said there may have been as much as a 45 minute time gap form the time this happened, to when the search started.


You might be able to pick out some more info here:
http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/holly-bobo-timeline/

 

[Snowbunny]

Hi cluciano!
A properly trained trailing dog with a good scent article from the missing person- and put on scent within the period of time described in Holly's abduction- should be able to follow the trail of a person (especially one on foot) for miles.

If there were a waiting vehicle that Holly was placed in- then the dog(s) should have trailed her through the wooded area to a vehicle access area- such as the logging trail.

They shouldn't have stopped at the treeline; and I don't know that they did...
But either way- we have a couple of scenarios:
*The dog(s) used initially were not properly trained for trailing a live scent.
*The dog(s) used initially were trained in tracking and/or trailing, but not trained in HRD.
*They were 'guided' by a handler in the direction of the wooded area behind the Bobo home b/c of witness accounts.
*The dog(s) actually lost scent at the treeline because Holly was moved from there, and not on foot.
*Holly never went anywhere on foot.

There are a few other possibilities as well- but these are the most likely, IMO.

Is it possible that the abductor could have thrown some sort of chemical out on the ground that would stop the dogs from being able to track Holly?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Again the overhead shot of the house during WINTER. its actually useful as the trees lack their foliage and you can see the ground better.

Clint said he saw Holly and the susupect waking roughly toward the top of the photo. Swan Johnson road is to the right.

 

[Oriah]

Is it possible that the abductor could have thrown some sort of chemical out on the ground that would stop the dogs from being able to track Holly?

I suppose anything is possible.... but given that LE initally reported that Holly's scent was tracked to the treeline (which CB referred to as north) I think nearly impossible to correlate all scenarios involved. :banghead:

 

[wishuwerehere]

Again the overhead shot of the house during WINTER. its actually useful as the trees lack their foliage and you can see the ground better.

Clint said he saw Holly and the susupect waking roughly toward the top of the photo. Swan Johnson road is to the right.

Is that a pond/lake at the bottom left of the photo?

 

[shefner]

And what is that to the very far left of the map? Is that a house or building of some type?

 

[CanManEh]

BBM: I thought the exact same thing canman!! It was so odd that during a commercial break, they took Dana (the Dad) away and replaced him with the pastor...my first thought was who is this man that looks to be 200 lbs & possibly 6' tall. Very strange indeed.

I know and thats part of what i wad said earlier half the problem is JVM herself and not understanding something and cutting you off in mid sentance . And again im not saying he should be a POI but i just saw it as odd that they are describing the RSO to be 5 foot 5 and 135 pounds but the guy Clint say was closer to 6 foot too hundred pounds and then they go to a reporter saying its someone from town someone that knows holly and knows when she would leave for school and next thing u know u see this paster take over for dad and hes a rather large guy im gonna take a guess that he looked to be about 200 pounds around 6 foot ...Just sayin ..

 

[goldiegirl]

Sorry to ask this, but does someone have a link to the JVM video? I followed one of the links in the last thread to watch the interview right after it happened, but that link only showed Clint talking. I didn't get to see Dana, the pastor or any of the rest of the interview. Thanks!

 

[TxLady2]

I don't think 6ft is average male height in U.S.A. Unless an area is heavily Nordic, most men are under 6ft in U.S.

Unless they're in TX, of course. :crazy:
Guessing someone's height from a distance is not easy, unless you have something or someone with a known height next to them to compare it to. I'm guessing Clint was going by his sister's height standing next to the guy. But how many brothers would know their sister's exact height? Mine wouldn't, for sure.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Is it possible that the abductor could have thrown some sort of chemical out on the ground that would stop the dogs from being able to track Holly?

doubtful. most likely 1) wrong kind of dog 2) no scent

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Is that a pond/lake at the bottom left of the photo?

yes its water. no idea what the small items are at the left of the photo. Could be a small structure, junk, something on someone elses property?

Has anyone typed the Bobo's address into Google Earth to see what actually comes up?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

As to dogs... I noticed our local sheriff (?) had put a moratorium on the use of tracking dogs as it turned out they had a poor track record and were not of any use anyway. So... I don't know if I would take them not finding any scent as meaning a whole lot.

 

[Chili Fries]

In the Geraldo video above, at 6:08 a pond is shown. I'm sure this body of water was searched, yes? And any and all other bodies of water close to the Bobo home were searched also?

According to Hollye's map...

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=35.679217,-88.175486&spn=0.007617,0.013057&t=h&z=17

...that pond is on the Bobo property. I'm not afraid to admit when my memory may be faulty but one thing I'm pretty sure about is that the water on the Bobo's property was reported to have been re-searched thoroughly a few days after she disappeared. I don't have a link but I distinctly remember that.

 

[Darcyline]

As to dogs... I noticed our local sheriff (?) had put a moratorium on the use of tracking dogs as it turned out they had a poor track record and were not of any use anyway. So... I don't know if I would take them not finding any scent as meaning a whole lot.

Yep. I have lost faith in dogs for these reasons. There are cases on here where dogs missed a dead body sitting like...10 feet away. I think dogs can be useful sometimes like maybe hitting hard on a dead body smell in a suspect's place and for other means like sniffing out drugs. Following scent trails? I am not so convinced dogs are very effective there.

I also think it is nearly impossible to guess someone's height from in a house looking down on them standing next to a very small girl. I would say the actual height could be anywhere from from slightly below average to slightly above average (5'8-6'1). All of those heights may look similar when looking from a weird angle from a distance and only having a much shorter person to compare it to.

 

[wishuwerehere]

According to Hollye's map...

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=218199748434644937742.0004a0e4115bf271e54ae&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=35.679217,-88.175486&spn=0.007617,0.013057&t=h&z=17

...that pond is on the Bobo property. I'm not afraid to admit when my memory may be faulty but one thing I'm pretty sure about is that the water on the Bobo's property was reported to have been re-searched thoroughly a few days after she disappeared. I don't have a link but I distinctly remember that.

ChiliFries, do you remember if any of the bodies of water were drained or did they use dive teams only?