Top secret

[David Rogers]

This case has the tightest security seen anywhere. Top secret files and equipment has been leaked everywhere. Area 51 has been exposed. The JonBenet Grand Jury? Not a peep. Not even a hint. No deathbed leaks, not even anonymous leaks. Not the jury, court staff, county employees, not one leak and hundreds know the evidence. That means Patsy didn’t kill her. That would have come out by now. John? Someone would have said something not wanting him to get away with the murder. That only means one thing. They are all protecting Burke

 

[Swirlz]

Two former grand jurors have given interviews. Burke has been blamed very publicly by Jim Kolar. CBS aired a several part series blaming Burke. No one is protecting Burke Ramsey.

 

[David Rogers]

Two former grand jurors have given interviews. Burke has been blamed very publicly by Jim Kolar. CBS aired a several part series blaming Burke. No one is protecting Burke Ramsey.

They jurors gave interviews and didn’t say anything. Kolar danced around the whole thing and CBS settles. If anyone really wanted this solved they would drop some real evidence.

 

[Swirlz]

I'm sure there's evidence that hasn't been released to the public but probably nothing explosive. I mean, pics of JonBenet's skull and of the body can easily be found on google images. I doubt there's much more out there.

 

[Tadpole12]

Maybe more from 'The LS's Files', in the near future?

 

[UKGuy]

Maybe more from 'The LS's Files', in the near future?

Tadpole12,
Nah, they want donations to do dna checks. This suggests LS never got that large thick brown envelope from the Ramsey Foundation on his retirement?

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[UKGuy]

This case has the tightest security seen anywhere. Top secret files and equipment has been leaked everywhere. Area 51 has been exposed. The JonBenet Grand Jury? Not a peep. Not even a hint. No deathbed leaks, not even anonymous leaks. Not the jury, court staff, county employees, not one leak and hundreds know the evidence. That means Patsy didn’t kill her. That would have come out by now. John? Someone would have said something not wanting him to get away with the murder. That only means one thing. They are all protecting Burke

David Rogers,
There has been leaks but just not leaks that rule out any one of the R's particularly BR. This might simply be a procedural issue, i.e. BR being underage means whether he played any role in JonBenet's death or not entails his privacy is protected by Colorado State Statute.

Its JR that keeps the secrecy bandwagon rolling, once he leaves us people will be able to speak without fear of litigation.

The GJ outcome tells you everything you want to know, both parents leveled with counts of child abuse and neglect, but not Murder In The First Degree!

Normal procedure would be charge both parents with Murder 1 and wait and see what happens?

The reason Hunter never filed the case or promoted Murder 1 for both parents is that meant a public trial which would result in the forensic evidence going into the public domain, thats what was blocked not anyone being found guilty as Hunter and friends all knew who killed JonBenet.

Also there is all the other stuff the judge ruled inadmissable for public consumption in his original adjudication.

So you can bet there is much more to come out in the JonBenet case, e.g. once JR leaves us there will be a documentary published blaming John for allegedlly abusing JonBenet and helping create the dysfunctional household where BR copied his father's attitude leading to JonBenet's death?

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[David Rogers]

David Rogers,
There has been leaks but just not leaks that rule out any one of the R's particularly BR. This might simply be a procedural issue, i.e. BR being underage means whether he played any role in JonBenet's death or not entails his privacy is protected by Colorado State Statute.

Its JR that keeps the secrecy bandwagon rolling, once he leaves us people will be able to speak without fear of litigation.

The GJ outcome tells you everything you want to know, both parents leveled with counts of child abuse and neglect, but not Murder In The First Degree!

Normal procedure would be charge both parents with Murder 1 and wait and see what happens?

The reason Hunter never filed the case or promoted Murder 1 for both parents is that meant a public trial which would result in the forensic evidence going into the public domain, thats what was blocked not anyone being found guilty as Hunter and friends all knew who killed JonBenet.

Also there is all the other stuff the judge ruled inadmissable for public consumption in his original adjudication.

So you can bet there is much more to come out in the JonBenet case, e.g. once JR leaves us there will be a documentary published blaming John for allegedlly abusing JonBenet and helping create the dysfunctional household where BR copied his father's attitude leading to JonBenet's death?

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That’s an interesting take it makes a lot of sense. If true it is unfortunate John will get always with his part in it. I also wonder if there was first degree murder counts and how the Grand Jury voted on them.

 

[UKGuy]

That’s an interesting take it makes a lot of sense. If true it is unfortunate John will get always with his part in it. I also wonder if there was first degree murder counts and how the Grand Jury voted on them.

David Rogers,
Yes of course there has to be Murder In The First Degree counts, even if the GJ return negatives, otherwise its a rigged jury since a child is dead the parents are formally implicated, but the GJ only consider an IDI scenario?

What is more likely is that either Hunter or the GJ decided Murder In The First Degree counts could not be levelled at Burke Ramsey due to his age?

Or they did and this has been redacted and forms part of the most recent legal outcome, thus explaining explicitly why Hunter decided not to file the GJ outcome in open court?

To clear this up you need to establish if BR could have Murder In The First Degree counts levelled against him, in anticipation of him never ever facing prosecution due to Colorado State Statutes regarding their underage reporting provisions.

So for all the conspiracy folks out there this means the redacted, unseen GJ documents will itemize Burke Ramsey with Murder In The First Degree counts, including that of counts of Rape in a particular degree, conspiring with his parents to evade detection, etc, etc.

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[BoldBear]

This case has the tightest security seen anywhere. Top secret files and equipment has been leaked everywhere. Area 51 has been exposed. The JonBenet Grand Jury? Not a peep. Not even a hint. No deathbed leaks, not even anonymous leaks. Not the jury, court staff, county employees, not one leak and hundreds know the evidence. That means Patsy didn’t kill her. That would have come out by now. John? Someone would have said something not wanting him to get away with the murder. That only means one thing. They are all protecting Burke

PMPT, Inside The JB murder investigation, and Kolar's book. All of these books hint the inclusion of one person. It's like Patsy's claims that the guest bedroom was never used--no one goes in there, really. Then what's all this stuff on the bed? Lyn Wood told Alex Hunter during a deposition that he better not be looking there. I viewed that as a treat and I won't take it any further than that.

I still view the RN of having a moment that revealed what was really happening. There were little unnecessary pieces of detail that were coded to a single person--the one who the RN was really meant for.

Get this, anyone who's on the phone with 911 won't hang-up the call. Everyone believes it was Patsy who hung up the phone. I believe it was John--he needed to put on his clothes before the police arrived. He then went upstarts to get dressed when Patsy realized she didn't want to be in the house alone with him. Yes, she made the calls for help when John was out of the room.

[If you don't believe that to be true, then John hung around while she made those calls to her friends for help while John was standing next to her. When she finished the calls, John went upstairs to get dressed--possible but not likely. That phone is the key to the outside world. You've got the police coming to the house, but if she had her friends here, John would be less likely to take this to the next level.]

 

[Beltonian]

BoldBear, it is an interesting take at Patsy's calls to summon everyone she knew because she was afraid... Why in that case she did nor separate from John you think? Tia.

 

[David Rogers]

PMPT, Inside The JB murder investigation, and Kolar's book. All of these books hint the inclusion of one person. It's like Patsy's claims that the guest bedroom was never used--no one goes in there, really. Then what's all this stuff on the bed? Lyn Wood told Alex Hunter during a deposition that he better not be looking there. I viewed that as a treat and I won't take it any further than that.

I still view the RN of having a moment that revealed what was really happening. There were little unnecessary pieces of detail that were coded to a single person--the one who the RN was really meant for.

Get this, anyone who's on the phone with 911 won't hang-up the call. Everyone believes it was Patsy who hung up the phone. I believe it was John--he needed to put on his clothes before the police arrived. He then went upstarts to get dressed when Patsy realized she didn't want to be in the house alone with him. Yes, she made the calls for help when John was out of the room.

[If you don't believe that to be true, then John hung around while she made those calls to her friends for help while John was standing next to her. When she finished the calls, John went upstairs to get dressed--possible but not likely. That phone is the key to the outside world. You've got the police coming to the house, but if she had her friends here, John would be less likely to take this to the next level.]

Where can I find the deposition on by Wood about the bedroom. Thanks.

 

[Tadpole12]

PMPT, Inside The JB murder investigation, and Kolar's book. All of these books hint the inclusion of one person. It's like Patsy's claims that the guest bedroom was never used--no one goes in there, really. Then what's all this stuff on the bed? Lyn Wood told Alex Hunter during a deposition that he better not be looking there. I viewed that as a treat and I won't take it any further than that.

I still view the RN of having a moment that revealed what was really happening. There were little unnecessary pieces of detail that were coded to a single person--the one who the RN was really meant for.

Get this, anyone who's on the phone with 911 won't hang-up the call. Everyone believes it was Patsy who hung up the phone. I believe it was John--he needed to put on his clothes before the police arrived. He then went upstarts to get dressed when Patsy realized she didn't want to be in the house alone with him. Yes, she made the calls for help when John was out of the room.

[If you don't believe that to be true, then John hung around while she made those calls to her friends for help while John was standing next to her. When she finished the calls, John went upstairs to get dressed--possible but not likely. That phone is the key to the outside world. You've got the police coming to the house, but if she had her friends here, John would be less likely to take this to the next level.]

BB
It's as if you adjusted the aperture just right
to catch a glimpse of that possibility;
JR's orchestration.

 

[BoldBear]

Sorry for the misunderstanding in what I wrote. Lyn Wood made a threat to Alex Hunter in a deposition about something else. It was Patsy who was trying to distance herself from the guest bedroom.

An out of place dust ruffle isn't evidence when there are two kids in the house. Burke's friends were over on Christmas day. Why didn't Smit mention that there was a pillow on the bed that was pushed back as if someone had been sitting there on the bed? Probably because the intruder was supposed to be sitting on the carpet (leaving a butt print) while he was waiting for the family to return home. Mary Lacy saw it when she walked through the house during the investigation and it gave her the creeps. Her mind instantly went to 'intruder' when she saw a butt imprint on the carpet outside of JB's room. Maybe she should have insisted that they take fiber samples because the carpet had been recently vacuumed which is why the butt print was so obvious.

Sorry, I was reviewing some things from Steve Thomas' book and I'm angry about how Alex Hunter's office disrespected the law. Pleaing down violent crimes like murder, attempted murder, rape and cocaine dealing to levels so low that the punishment didn't fit the crime isn't progressive. It's a betrayal to the people you serve. If JB wasn't murdered, Alex Hunters' office would have run into another very public case where they would have done anything and everything to keep it from going to court. They were operating at this plea-everything-out mode for so long I don't think they would have even thought to take a high crime to court.

--Thomas, Steve. JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation (p. 64). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.