trial thread: 3/27/2012

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  • #341
You are correct. I have been told that it works faster and 'all at once', instead of gradually as it would if one took the pills orally. But, since I have never done this, I can't say for certain whether the result is different, or just faster. I was never told if it was a different high, just that the results are faster. I still highly doubt 'murderous rage' is a side effect, though.

I believe Oxies are time release (not sure about Percosets tho) and that's why addicts crush them, or inject them to get the effect of the drugs quicker. As for the murderous rage part, you never know how a drug will react on someone. Or a combination of drugs, even if by TLM's own account of having a high tolerence for pain killers, she could still have been affected adversely, maybe the pills were a higher mg, who knows.
 
  • #342
I find curious that by TLM's own version of the story, MR was on his way to Guelph alone, but when she got home from doing her stuff he was waiting for her in her driveway. What made MTR come back to pick her up.
 
  • #343
I wonder how mad MTR mother is for him telling his dealer that the drugs were for his mother? And for dragging her into it by telling the officer that his mother went over to CMs house. IMO I wonder how mad his brothers are about this as well. IMO If indeed they are upset which I don't know.

They're apparently not in court supporting him. I think that speaks for itself.
 
  • #344
I find curious that by TLM's own version of the story, MR was on his way to Guelph alone, but when she got home from doing her stuff he was waiting for her in her driveway. What made MTR come back to pick her up.

Thinking back to him trolling the school that morning and "good things are comming my way"I wonder if he originally planned to take a child alone and then decided later to take TLM with him. Possible, I think it's possible that he had already tried to lure children into his car. But that's just my opinion.
 
  • #345
Well, it's possible that MTR intimidated Tori into behaving herself, but if you can believe TLM's testimony that the little girl thought of her as a friend and protector during all this, it seems doubtful that she (TLM) had acted aggressively toward her. Tori supposedly took her hand, talked to her, asked her to stay with her during the assault, etc. However, it's pretty hard to know how much of TLM's story is credible.

I just realized that Tori not being seen throughout this 2 1/2 hour ordeal (by BA or people in the parking lot) is not that unbelievable. She could have calmly been sitting in the back seat thinking she was being babysat.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ictoria-stafford-was-abducted/article2360263/

JMO


They could've told Tori some BS about the puppies being a surprise or anything that would have an 8 year old little girl believe that something exciting was going to happen but she can't look. IMO

God, typing that just broke my heart because it could be a very real possibility. :(
 
  • #346
MR's mother was dragged into this for sure, she is the "reason" for her son's drugs AND he brings her into to Carol McClintic's drug house and gets her involved with Carol. ????? VERY bizarre behaviour.JMO

He could be BS'ing though, right? Maybe the Carol thing never even happened. I wonder if his mom was interviewed by LE. I bet she was. Is she not in court because she's a witness? hmmmmmmmm
 
  • #347
Just getting caught up with todays thread...Not sure who commented on the name "Mike Reynolds", reading this made me think of the RW case and how RW changed his name a few times, hmmmmm interesting, we have heard 3 different names that MR used, Rafferty, Reynolds and Cundy.

Someone else questioned how far BA's house is to the crime scene, it would be 1 hour.
Someone else questioned how far the nearest car wash would be...there is a car wash in Mt Forest, which would be about 5km from the scene. There is also one in Arthur and in Fergus.
 
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He could be BS'ing though, right? Maybe the Carol thing never even happened. I wonder if his mom was interviewed by LE. I bet she was. Is she not in court because she's a witness? hmmmmmmmm

I don't believe MR was looking after and caring for Carol, or that MR and his mother went over and bought groceries, plants etc. In an earlier report, I remember reading that Carol stated in the media that MR was nothing but trouble and didn't like him. If she really felt this about him, I cannot see him around the house with TLM not being home. JMO
 
  • #350
I believe Oxies are time release (not sure about Percosets tho) and that's why addicts crush them, or inject them to get the effect of the drugs quicker. As for the murderous rage part, you never know how a drug will react on someone. Or a combination of drugs, even if by TLM's own account of having a high tolerence for pain killers, she could still have been affected adversely, maybe the pills were a higher mg, who knows.

You are right, which is why it is only my opinion. My personal experience, and the personal experience of people close to me, is limited to proper use of the drugs in question. I wouldn't take a drug addicts word for much, so what they have told me is taken with a grain of salt. And it most definitely is different for everybody.
It is just my opinion, based on my opinion/observations. I think that TLM was in control of herself that day, and if the accused turns out to be guilty, I believe he was also in control (if he is guilty, he is still only the accused)
UNLESS... there were more drugs involved than we know. TLMs word isn't exactly reliable! Who knows what else she/they took that night. In my opinion, it is highly unlikely that TLM was only using painkillers and marijuana. This opinion is based on my personal experience with drug addicts and people as troubled as TLM. I am not an expert, just somebody who asks a lot of questions and has been involved with all the wrong people. (Being the only sober person in a room of people high on various substances is an interesting experience)
 
  • #351
Very interesting to note that in the middle of a kidnapping he is totally relaxed, sits and chats with his old friend and then mosies on back to his car - like he didn't have a care in the world, no rush, no agenda to keep - just out and about around town ....

But, a couple of days later he is described as being a totally different, stressed out person ...

Why? Because when he was at BA's house on April 8 he had no idea that TLM had kidnapped TS or of the events that were to follow.

In the meantime, during those ten minutes that TLM waited for him in the car, she reviewed her situation. Perhaps she tried using MR's phone that he had left with her to call or text someone about the alleged drug debt, and not getting an answer, panicked, knowing that they could not bring TS back to Woodstock with them. TLM knows that she cannot allow TS to live, as she can identify TLM. She also knows that if she tells MR now that she has abducted the child and needs to kill her that he will not co-operate. Her twisted mind tells her that the child must die, and her body left where it will not be found for a good long time.

MR returns to the car and suggests a Timmies, to which TLM agrees. Stopping at Timmies on Woodlawn, TLM sees the Home Depot, and realizes that this is her chance to choose a murder weapon. She mentions to MR that she needs to pick up a couple of things and he waits for her in the car while she runs in, all the while unaware of what she is purchasing or what her plan is.

Since they now have the drugs they came to pick up in Guelph, there is no urgency and MR heads out of Guelph the back way. This is when TLM tells him that they need to pull over so TS can relieve herself .... so they turn into a laneway and MR walks over to a stand of trees ...

In my opinion MR was unaware of TLM's plan until it was too late. No wonder he would appear stressed and jittery a few days later.

JMO of course!

:goodpost:
 
  • #352
That BA visit and the couple hours following the perc visit sure sounds like it could have panned out like that ChaChaCha. Smart thinking.
 
  • #353
I don't believe MR was looking after and caring for Carol, or that MR and his mother went over and bought groceries, plants etc. In an earlier report, I remember reading that Carol stated in the media that MR was nothing but trouble and didn't like him. If she really felt this about him, I cannot see him around the house with TLM not being home. JMO

Makes perfect sense Flip. I don't believe MR was taking care of anyone but himself. If anything people were taking care of him. Stealing money from girlfriends, other women paying for dates and him stuff, MR flopping in on friends and mooching off them, MR moving back home and taking financial advantage of his mother according to DR.

Another think your post make me think of. Someone mentioned back a few days ago, why didn't MR go to TLM's when she was in custody and get TLM's journal which he help her with? Wouldn't that be kinda awkward? How would someone do that? Just knock on the door and go help themselves to belongings in TLM room? I would imagine CM wouldn't allow that to happen no matter how whacked out on drugs she was. She didn't like or trust MR and made it known.:moo:
 
  • #354
Very interesting to note that in the middle of a kidnapping he is totally relaxed, sits and chats with his old friend and then mosies on back to his car - like he didn't have a care in the world, no rush, no agenda to keep - just out and about around town ....

But, a couple of days later he is described as being a totally different, stressed out person ...

Why? Because when he was at BA's house on April 8 he had no idea that TLM had kidnapped TS or of the events that were to follow.

In the meantime, during those ten minutes that TLM waited for him in the car, she reviewed her situation. Perhaps she tried using MR's phone that he had left with her to call or text someone about the alleged drug debt, and not getting an answer, panicked, knowing that they could not bring TS back to Woodstock with them. TLM knows that she cannot allow TS to live, as she can identify TLM. She also knows that if she tells MR now that she has abducted the child and needs to kill her that he will not co-operate. Her twisted mind tells her that the child must die, and her body left where it will not be found for a good long time.

MR returns to the car and suggests a Timmies, to which TLM agrees. Stopping at Timmies on Woodlawn, TLM sees the Home Depot, and realizes that this is her chance to choose a murder weapon. She mentions to MR that she needs to pick up a couple of things and he waits for her in the car while she runs in, all the while unaware of what she is purchasing or what her plan is.

Since they now have the drugs they came to pick up in Guelph, there is no urgency and MR heads out of Guelph the back way. This is when TLM tells him that they need to pull over so TS can relieve herself .... so they turn into a laneway and MR walks over to a stand of trees ...

In my opinion MR was unaware of TLM's plan until it was too late. No wonder he would appear stressed and jittery a few days later.

JMO of course!

BBM

How is heading out of Guelph on Hwy 6 north to Mt Forest going out the back way towards Woodstock which is in the complete opposite direction to the south? :waitasec:

MOO
 
  • #355
I don't believe MR was looking after and caring for Carol, or that MR and his mother went over and bought groceries, plants etc. In an earlier report, I remember reading that Carol stated in the media that MR was nothing but trouble and didn't like him. If she really felt this about him, I cannot see him around the house with TLM not being home. JMO

nor do I believe when MTR told LE on the audio tape that he moved back in with his mom to help out around the house as it was kind of a dump when he moved back in....:what:
 
  • #356
Very interesting to note that in the middle of a kidnapping he is totally relaxed, sits and chats with his old friend and then mosies on back to his car - like he didn't have a care in the world, no rush, no agenda to keep - just out and about around town ....

But, a couple of days later he is described as being a totally different, stressed out person ...

Why? Because when he was at BA's house on April 8 he had no idea that TLM had kidnapped TS or of the events that were to follow.

In the meantime, during those ten minutes that TLM waited for him in the car, she reviewed her situation. Perhaps she tried using MR's phone that he had left with her to call or text someone about the alleged drug debt, and not getting an answer, panicked, knowing that they could not bring TS back to Woodstock with them. TLM knows that she cannot allow TS to live, as she can identify TLM. She also knows that if she tells MR now that she has abducted the child and needs to kill her that he will not co-operate. Her twisted mind tells her that the child must die, and her body left where it will not be found for a good long time.

MR returns to the car and suggests a Timmies, to which TLM agrees. Stopping at Timmies on Woodlawn, TLM sees the Home Depot, and realizes that this is her chance to choose a murder weapon. She mentions to MR that she needs to pick up a couple of things and he waits for her in the car while she runs in, all the while unaware of what she is purchasing or what her plan is.

Since they now have the drugs they came to pick up in Guelph, there is no urgency and MR heads out of Guelph the back way. This is when TLM tells him that they need to pull over so TS can relieve herself .... so they turn into a laneway and MR walks over to a stand of trees ...

In my opinion MR was unaware of TLM's plan until it was too late. No wonder he would appear stressed and jittery a few days later.

JMO of course!

Have you ever considered law school? This is a pretty brilliant defence.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:
:goodpost:
 
  • #357
Have you ever considered law school? This is a pretty brilliant defence.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:
:goodpost:

except that he has a severe credibility problem ie he is a loafer, drifter, associates with psycho's, buys hard drugs, tampers with evidence, leaves dead kids without proper burials and tells LE enormous porky pies! :what: but other than that not a bad defense :floorlaugh:

Antiquegirl my above was in jest; you did make an excellent post...my blood just boils when I think of MTR no matter what his part I would have not one iotta of respect for any so called man who would leave a child in that condition and not come to her aid or who would leave a family in that kind of utter despair wondering where their young child is...this is not a good human being IMO even if you believe what the defense has to say (which I do not). In the news tonight there is a story about two adults drowning and two young brothers aged 14 and 15 I believe rushed to save them and did. Their mother had demanded they take rescue swimming courses. In the face of danger they rushed in and are heroes. Based on the defense suggestions MTR is _________(fill in the blank.)
 
  • #358
Do we know that MTR gave/lent her money to pick up her things, or did TLM have money of her own... Hmmm, since she didn't have money to put money into her phone, then she didn't have money to buy the hammer and bags, so MTR must've given her the money.

Maybe he was paying her back for putting the Super8 Hotel bill on her debit card:woohoo::floorlaugh:
 
  • #359
IMO The fact that MR has not had a single friend or relative show up to offer him any support (that we know of) speaks volumes.

To me that doesn't mean anything. What if they're supporting him silently from behind the scenes in an effort to stay out of the media circus? Alternatively, what if they have been subpoenaed? If they are under a subpoena then they wouldn't be allowed to be present in the court room anyhow until after they have given their testimony. JMO.
 
  • #360
Another think your post make me think of. Someone mentioned back a few days ago, why didn't MR go to TLM's when she was in custody and get TLM's journal which he help her with? Wouldn't that be kinda awkward? How would someone do that? Just knock on the door and go help themselves to belongings in TLM room? I would imagine CM wouldn't allow that to happen no matter how whacked out on drugs she was. She didn't like or trust MR and made it know.:moo:

(RSBM)

And yet he did have access to her house and belongings. He took her clothes from home for her court appearance and was seen on the street by the neighbours. Either Carol willingly let him in, or TLM persuaded her to. But even if she resisted, if he was determined to get his hands on that journal, he could easily have overpowered that frail, drug-addled woman. Would she have called LE? I seriously doubt it.


He brought her clothes for court appearances.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article...ddled-mcclintic-offered-to-take-fall-for-beau

I was the one who mentioned the journal and the mystery of why it was still there on May 19th. If he, in fact, as some have speculated, went back up north to collect his clothing and shoes and was so damned careful, why would he leave that very damning journal? Makes no sense to me. IMO, he didn't take it away because he didn't know about it.

JMO
 
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