Trial Thread 8 May 2012 Wrapping up Closing Arguments

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She is a player in this tragedy, in the same way that Tori's mom and dad and grandmother and aunt, etc. etc. are... and she has her son and his actions, or lack thereof, to thank for that. She is in the spotlight by a result of his involvement and that cannot be blamed on the media, IMO.

There have been pictures posted of many of Tori's family, so why is this any different? Did you also express outrage over their pictures being posted in the media?

Sorry, I don't get it.

In fact, I have sympathy for MR's mother. At the very least, when all is said and done, if she has followed this case at all, she will have learned (if she was previously unaware) that her son is a cad, a pimp, a liar and has such a faulty moral compass that, by his own lawyer's admission, covering up the murder of a child was not only ok by him, but he continued in a romantic relationship with the murderer.

That is knowledge that I would not wish on any mother.

But my sympathy for Tori's family runs deeper... Tori was the innocent in all of this.

All JMO.


Thanks for posting this GT - I was going to respond to Ardy's post pretty much saying the same as what you said, but I get so emotional sometimes when responding to posts that I'm sure they sound nasty which isn't my intention of course.
 
I hope Rodney didn't have to witness any of those eyerolling theatrics before he left the courtroom..


My heart goes out to Tori's whole entire family....


BBM
I agree, It would be difficult for Tori's loved ones to watch the accused's antics. Very disrespectful and immature, in my opinion. I was equally upset the day MTR walked into court wearing Tori's favorite colour, purple.

I think it was unwise of his lawyer to advise him to do this, or alternately, his lawyer should have discouraged him from doing this. I lost a lot of respect for Derstine because of that.

I don't believe it was a coincidence that MTR wore purple that day either; I believe he understood the significance and it was his way of thumbing his nose at the family.

It was an insult to the memory of Tori and the family who had been wearing purple to the courtroom.

These are just my opinions.
 
Everyone keeps asking about Rafferty's demeanor, but I'm interested in the Jury's. Have you been able to read any of their reactions to the crown vs. defense closing statements?

Mike Knoll: - it's very difficult to get a read on the jury from the overflow courtroom. The shot of the main courtroom is VERY wide and facial expressions are impossible to make out. We experienced the same limitations with the witnesses. However, there is a monitor that shows a tight shot of Rafferty the whole time - much easier to get a read on his demeanor
 
Do you have a link for the bolded part? I don't remember anywhere in the testimony that indicated that TLM pled because she was afraid of the hammer. Her lawyer would have been privy to the discovery of the Crown and would have known that there was no hammer - so this statement is inconsistent with the testimony as we know it.

And - she had every right to go to trial - just like MR - whether she would be found guilty or not. She could have really turned this into a he said/she said - blaming every little thing on MR. MR should be greatful that she chose not to do that - because then it would have been a real spitting match, in my opinion.

Salem

Your right Salem. And, then, Rafferty would have had to take the stand. MOO!
 
Totally OT here, but wanted to share something light ..

For the past 3 or 4 days when i've gone to my car, there is some serious bird poop on the driver's door. No overhead wires or bushes where this birdie could be hanging out. I just looked out my window to see a young robin, clinging to the frame ... having a great tete a tete with the other young birdie in my sideview mirror :)
 
RaffertyLFP: Court late in resuming Don't know why

RaffertyLFP: Court is resuming jury not in
 
Totally OT here, but wanted to share something light ..

For the past 3 or 4 days when i've gone to my car, there is some serious bird poop on the driver's door. No overhead wires or bushes where this birdie could be hanging out. I just looked out my window to see a young robin, clinging to the frame ... having a great tete a tete with the other young birdie in my sideview mirror :)

Angry birds
 
If TLM is or was in a gang (heck, I wouldn't put it past her... she is evil!) all it does is further solidify to me the evil she was capable of and also her "sheep like" qualities (re: following what the evil leader says).....

No way was she some kingpin of gangland... which means she was a follower.. She certainly seemed good at it that day Tori was vanished and still was good at it in her protection of MR with her various versions of the truth of what happened that day and who did what.

It is also evidenced after the crime in the interactions between the two of them.

moo
 
Huge difference between being a wannabe at your local high school and claiming false affliation with a gang in PRISON. One will make people laugh at you behind your back and the other will get you seriously hurt.

I never said he was in high school, all I said was young and there is a lot of similarities. Also TLM was not in PRISON she was in a detention centre with youth, I doubt very much that claiming false affiliation with a gang is going to get her hurt in there, it's going to make them scared of her.

All MOO
 
Mike Knoll: - here's a link to the complete archive of feeds: http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/03/23/19539806.html


Is Rodney there today ? will he do a press conference today

Mike Knoll: - Rodney left around 12:15 and said "I can't take it anymore" - no presser today.

Heartbreaking....

It must be hard to see all the evidence come together and see that this man in this same room as you have without a doubt done all those terrible things to your daughter. As well as the fact that he was having to relive the last day of his daughter's life in an entire sitting.

When he heard testimony on an on-going basis, it was just snippets. This is the whole "enchilda". Very Difficult. Again, my condolences to Rodney, Tara and the whole family and justice for Tori!!!
 
Jurors heading back into the courtroom.

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey goes into Rafferty's post-crime behaviour
 
People imply that MR's mother could in some way be responsible for the murder of TS, as a result of her actions or non actions... ..and at the same time claim immunity for the actions or non actions of others?

That is a double standard........by any other name.

JMO...............

Nobody here blamed MR's mother. Show me a post that blames her please?
 
Do we know TLM is affiliating herself with a gang now?

...and where were all her gang members when she needed help getting out of her predicament? It sure doesnt look like any came to help cover her azz.

ETA: Please excuse my typos. My "E" key keeps falling off. :o/

TLM says no, but respects them ...

Same thing happen in a case here in BC ... Killer Tells the victim he is a gang member then during the trial says he is not ...


http://www.timescolonist.com/news/A...+want+kill+Philbert+Truong/2910968/story.html
 
Totally OT here, but wanted to share something light ..

For the past 3 or 4 days when i've gone to my car, there is some serious bird poop on the driver's door. No overhead wires or bushes where this birdie could be hanging out. I just looked out my window to see a young robin, clinging to the frame ... having a great tete a tete with the other young birdie in my sideview mirror :)

Are you sure it wasn't a female cardinal? They are notorious for that!
 
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Jurors heading back into the courtroom.
 
TLM and KS(known gang member) were both in communications through letters, using gang terminology and symbols, discussing revenge on others ...

And that proves what exactly? TLM never lived in London, how did she become part of this gang? There has been no proof brought forward that she was an active member in a gang. The only thing is letters she wrote to someone she met who happened to be in a gang.

Really to me it has no bearing on if she was in a gang or not, I'm just saying there is no solid proof. It's also not going to matter to the jury as they cannot theorize on what might have happened or how things went down, they will have to go by evidence presented and the judges charge.

JMO
 
Crown Attorneys Carnegie, Venne, Gowdey and Crockett leave the court house for lunch.

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