Trial Thread 8 May 2012 Wrapping up Closing Arguments

[Sailor Bug]

Are you going to post all the info we didn't hear when the jury gets sequestered this week?

Mike Knoll: - yes.



any idea why Tori's mother never speaks to the press?

Mike Knoll: - she has requested privacy and the press has collective adhered to her wishes.


God Bless Tara...I've been thinking about her so much throughout this trial...I cannot imagine how heavy her heart is without her precious Tori...just so very sad for her ...especially with Mother's Day coming up

 

[~greeneyedgirl~]

I disagree with the crown. MR was on cam also that day. If MR was the master mind in this don't you think he would have been prepared? It was TLM that bought the hammer and bags. She needed his money to buy them and this is why she wasn't prepared. JMO

He is still guilty IMO because he helped clean up the crime and he isn't denying that.

I believe he was the mastermind and that he was prepared... He was prepared for an abduction and a sexual assault, he wasn't prepared to murder a child.

When TLM came back with an older child he made the decision that she would have to be killed. Maybe a child of 4 or 5 would be easier (please excuse my bluntness) to rape and release somewhere and they not be caught, but a child Tori's age can describe them, give details about the car, tell exactly what happened.

I think too that when Tori was brought into the car she was asked her name, and maybe she spoke of her parents, I think when TLM made the connection of knowing Tara she realized too little Tori would have to be killed, that this wasn't just going to be a sick sexual fantasy brought to life... This was huge and there was no turning back now.

MR had his funds for drugs/gas no extra for murder weapons because he sure wasn't going to use anything of his own.

This is all just my opinion.

 

[Sillybilly]

I don't know.....If I were charged with this serious offence, rolling my eyes would not be an appropriate response if I were innocent. The fact that he is repeating the same action almost signals a guilty person covering up his crime.

I wonder what body language experts would say about this.MOO!

IMO this innappropriate behaviour is representative of his lack of understanding of human emotion .. he believes he is influencing the jury in a positive manner when in fact it will have the opposite affect.

 

[tmhco]

I am baffled as to how a suggested gang/drug debt can be more compelling than the evidence presented. If the defence had anything at all they would have presented it. Smoke and mirrors. JMO

 

[Jezbel]

She was arrested because she breached the probation order which was part of her sentence for stabbing a man.

She is in prison because she was seen on the CASS video abducting TS.

The neighbors identified her. TS informed the police about her.

She could confess or go to trial.

<modsnip>............and she would be found guilty anyways.

So she tried to make a deal...........and took whatever she managed to get.

JMO............

Hmm took whatever she managed to get..? You can't make a deal when you pleaded guilty to 1st degree murder, she was given the minimum sentence of life in prison, that doesn't sound like a deal?

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

It isn't imaginary ... Her friend ks and her brother JS are gang members ...

http://www.sarniapolice.com/update-robbers-remanded/


http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysessio...zJnBpY2lkPTQzNjMzNDAyJnVzZXJpZD0xNjU5ODQzNg==

She only became acquainted with KS (and peripherally with JS) after she was incarcerated. IIRC, she had very few connections on her online accounts.

Speaking of connections, anyone hear of TLM ever having a boyfriend prior to MTR?

 

[OhSoCurious]

My friend is in drug rehab. Does that make me a druggie? Sorry, I don't get your point. It would be helpful if you provide links to back up your statements if true that TLM is/was in a gang. Not her friend nor her friend's brother but TLM herself. TIA

ETA: Nevermind the link. It has nothing to do with this trial.

Yes - someone in drug rehab is a druggie. Someone being treated for alcoholism is an alcoholic for life whether they drink another drop or not. JMO MOO IMO

 

[paris_paris]

When TLM plead guilty she was saying MTR killed Tori wasn't she? If she'd gone to trial they may have proven that she killed Tori. At the time she was saying he killed her.

Unless I'm remembering wrong.

 

[impatientredhead]

TLM is motivated by anger and rage.
When she started cooperating it was reported that she had just found out about the other girlfriend(s). She was pissed off and behind bars. She didn't make a deal because putting him behind bars was her payoff. moo

 

[TopTop]

I don't know.....If I were charged with this serious offence, rolling my eyes would not be an appropriate response if I were innocent. The fact that he is repeating the same action almost signals a guilty person covering up his crime.

I wonder what body language experts would say about this.MOO!

I was thinking about this. If I was innocent and sitting in MR place right now what would I be doing? I don't really know but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be rolling my eyes. Maybe crying, maybe having an outburst, shaking in fear, be in a trance like state? Rolling my eyes would seem too immature for the panic I would be feeling. JMO

 

[greenthumb]

Yes - someone in drug rehab is a druggie. Someone being treated for alcoholism is an alcoholic for life whether they drink another drop or not. JMO MOO IMO

The point being made was that being the friend of an alcoholic is not proof that I am an alcholic... being friends with a druggie does not make me a druggie... and being friends with gang members does not automatically make TLM a gang member. JMO

 

[nobodyzgirl]

When TLM plead guilty she was saying MTR killed Tori wasn't she? If she'd gone to trial they may have proven that she killed Tori. At the time she was saying he killed her.

Unless I'm remembering wrong.

You are correct, originally she said MTR murdered Tori, and then recanted her statement in January and said on the stand during this trial, she was in fact the one that murdered Tori.

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes - someone in drug rehab is a druggie. Someone being treated for alcoholism is an alcoholic for life whether they drink another drop or not. JMO MOO IMO

WADR, my understanding of nt's question was if having a friend in rehab made nt a druggie.

 

[Tahorn]

She only became acquainted with KS (and peripherally with JS) after she was incarcerated. IIRC, she had very few connections on her online accounts.

Speaking of connections, anyone hear of TLM ever having a boyfriend prior to MTR?

It is <modsnip> to believe that TLM wrote to a gang member using gang symbols and not be a gang member.

 

[CarrieBean]

Yes - someone in drug rehab is a druggie. Someone being treated for alcoholism is an alcoholic for life whether they drink another drop or not. JMO MOO IMO

lol, I think you misread the post you were quoting.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

If a relative of mine was on trial for such hideous charges, and maintained their innocence, I would support them until the jury decided otherwise.

I would express my deep sorrow to the family of the victim directly and in person, if that was acceptable to them, but I certainly would not hold a press conference to satisfy the press hunger for a sensational headline for their evening news roundup or newspaper coverage.

JMO................

I'm not trashing MR's mother, because god knows she is just as much a victim here, but isn't a press conference exactly what she did, and there were no words of comfort for Victoria's family.

 

[Oldsoul2]

Question for anyone....if the Crown is finished by thrusday and the Judge explains to the jury the law etc and it runs into the evening or the weekend, which IMO I don't think it will, will they tweet the verdict in either circumstance?

 

[JayFriend]

Mike Knoll: Many people are asking about Rafferty's demeanor. I just got back to the LFP newsroom from the courthouse - while I was in court Rafferty rolled his eyes a number of times and was mouthing words I couldn't determine (things perhaps like 'Bulls---') seemed a bit more fidgety than in the past; taking his glasses on and off and such.

Okay, would Rafferty's animated protestations (in spite of his but failure to testify) be valid reason enough for the jury to have "reasonable doubt" as to his guilt?

 

[nursebeeme]

I hope Rodney didn't have to witness any of those eyerolling theatrics before he left the courtroom..

My heart goes out to Tori's whole entire family....

 

[~n/t~]

WADR, my understanding of nt's question was if having a friend in rehab made nt a druggie.

Yes you understood correctly.