Trial Thread 8 May 2012 Wrapping up Closing Arguments

[Wondergirl]

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey said Rafferty was "dancing around the questions" from police - he want to lead, to be in control He was a capable liar

Rafferty, if he was innocent, had the perfect opportunity to tell police. Rafferty told them he was a dancer, "danced around the questions"

BBM: Finally.

Evidence of the dancing.

Thank-you, Gowdey!

JMO

 

[Sailor Bug]

The Crown is doing a marvelous job...so Proud of them ​

 

[~n/t~]

The Crown is doing a marvelous job...so Proud of them ​

Indeed!!! ME TOO!

 

[CarrieBean]

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey said a search of McClinitic's home turned up oxycontin - Tara Macdonald's address, hair dye and the alibi book

This is why i say TS was targeted. JMO

Where in the home was each item found? Remember CM also lived there and wanting to breed her dog with TM's dog.

 

[nursebeeme]

Tara's address at TLM's could also have been "after the fact" of what happened considering it was found with the alibi notebook of what to say etc

 

[Wondergirl]

Brilliant strategy by the Crown, in my opinion.

ITA.

The Crown doesn't want Rafferty to ever see the light of day, IMO.

His lies dubbed over the video of his actual actions.

Another case of his actions speaking louder than words.

I'd say it shows his character, but, you get the picture....(insert beating a dead horse here)

JMO

 

[snoofer]

I agree.

TM couldn't possibly know if TLM knew TS, so her saying TLM didn't know TS doesn't prove anything.

The Crown opened by saying no one saw TLM around the school......which was nonsense. The grandmother saw her going into the school and walking with TS a few minutes later.

The Crown tried to discredit the witness because it doesn't fit their theory.

Why is the Crown so worried if TLM went into the school or not?

Because it doesn't fit their spin on the facts, it supports the defense spin.

And then there is the "harsh sentence" for TLM.

15 years for committing this brutal murder?

Living in minimum security or no security at all considering her access to another inmate to beat up?

Living in "houses in a campus style setting"?

Having access to counselors .......so that she can become a valuable member of society in 12 years time or so?

And now Christie Blatchford referring to TLM as a "scapegoat".

Good grief..............

JMO

for all intents and purposes for HIS trial, he IS trying to use her for a scapegoat. HIS defense is saying SHE kidnapped without his knowledge, SHE killed TS without his knowledge and SHE FORCED him into cleaning up and hiding crime. THAT is using someone as a scapegoat. MOO

scapegoat = a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place. -dictionary.com

IS THAT NOT what MTR was attempting to do with his defense??? MOO

The crown believes they killed, raped and kidnapped together and that HE was the mastermind. So ya scapegoat applies from the point of view of the crown. MOO

 

[Hello_Kitty]

Originally Posted by Sailor Bug
RaffertyLFP: Gowdey said the only reason for removing Tori's clothes was sexual assault



Mike Knoll: Many people are asking about Rafferty's demeanor. I just got back to the LFP newsroom from the courthouse - while I was in court Rafferty rolled his eyes a number of times and was mouthing words I couldn't determine (things perhaps like 'Bulls---') seemed a bit more fidgety than in the past; taking his glasses on and off and such.

Sounds like he is not so sure he is going home soon now....maybe Millhaven sent him a weekly menu list for him to check his preferences....and this has upset him. MOO

BBM

MR should have taken the stand instead of mouthing off and rolling his eyes like that.

 

[Wondergirl]

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey says the songs Derstine quoted were not even on McClintic's iPod, says the music evidence really means nothing

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey said Rafferty and McClinitic needed an alibi and a change of appearance

Gowdey calls Necro awful, unpleasant, violent and horrific music. "Is that the best evidence the defense can point to?" Gowdey asks.

He says it was given a disproportionate amount of time in this trial .

Great call, Gowdey, THANK-YOU!!!!!

I love that....."Is that the best evidence the defense can point to?"

The answer, is YES!!!

JMO

 

[KMouse]

snipped:
What do people suppose they were discussing for months?

Oh and this.........no deal?

For there to be a deal wouldn't she have to have gained something?


As for her being in general population or what ever unit she is in jail wise...that is up to the jail and their classification system. Once an offender enters the jail the courts, lawyers, etc. have no say. It's a different system.

 

[myzzy]

thank you everyone for bringing us the closing arguments.

 

[CarrieBean]

The address in the house still doesn't prove TLM and Tori had ever met. Whose writing? We know CM was selling pills. We know she wanted to breed her dog and TM said no way.

Besides, what again does this have to do with MR's role in all of this?

 

[robynhood]

AveryFreeFMNews "This was a particularly cold-blooded and calculated way for the 2 of them to cover themselves." On #Rafferty's claims he helped look 4 Tori

recess for I think 15 mins..back robynhood

 

[Thinkzerz]

Tara's address at TLM's could also have been "after the fact" of what happened considering it was found with the alibi notebook of what to say etc

What would the purpose be to write down TM address even after TS death?

 

[~n/t~]

Avery Moore ‏ @AveryFreeFMNews
"This was a particularly cold-blooded and calculated way for the 2 of them to cover themselves." On #Rafferty's claims he helped look 4 Tori

 

[Oldsoul2]

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey says the songs Derstine quoted were not even on McClintic's iPod, says the music evidence really means nothing

RaffertyLFP: Gowdey said Rafferty and McClinitic needed an alibi and a change of appearance

Gowdey calls Necro awful, unpleasant, violent and horrific music. "Is that the best evidence the defense can point to?" Gowdey asks.

He says it was given a disproportionate amount of time in this trial.

Ditto, we felt the same way

 

[jenniferleia]

I agree.

TM couldn't possibly know if TLM knew TS, so her saying TLM didn't know TS doesn't prove anything.

The Crown opened by saying no one saw TLM around the school......which was nonsense. The grandmother saw her going into the school and walking with TS a few minutes later.

The Crown tried to discredit the witness because it doesn't fit their theory.

Why is the Crown so worried if TLM went into the school or not?

Because it doesn't fit their spin on the facts, it supports the defense spin.

And then there is the "harsh sentence" for TLM.

15 years for committing this brutal murder?

Living in minimum security or no security at all considering her access to another inmate to beat up?

Living in "houses in a campus style setting"?

Having access to counselors .......so that she can become a valuable member of society in 12 years time or so?

And now Christie Blatchford referring to TLM as a "scapegoat".

Good grief..............

JMO

Ardy, I respected you for wanting to hear both sides of the story. I, myself, was on the fence early in the trial. After hearing everything now, I can honestly say I think he is guilty. Dont get me wrong....I am not trying to be cheeky....just wondering why you are so adament that he was duped? There is not evidence pointing to that.......I am just curious that is all. JMO

 

[nursebeeme]

What would the purpose be to write down TM address even after TS death?

well, considering that she was writing down scenarios of what to say I would also venture that writing down the address would also not be outside the realm of possibility

moo

(they also according to the crown, also both had missing posters in their possession and if you also recall all the ladies in MR's life he was constantly mentioning Tori and the case and searching)

moo

 

[Sailor Bug]

Tara's address at TLM's could also have been "after the fact" of what happened considering it was found with the alibi notebook of what to say etc

bbm
Interesting nurse

There were two seperate pieces with Tara's address on them.

One Tara had testified was hers/her writing

the other could very well have been written "after the fact" along with the "alibi notebook"

jmo

 

[Sillybilly]

And then there is the "harsh sentence" for TLM.

15 years for committing this brutal murder?

<snip>

She got the absolute maximum available under Canadian Law ... 25 years, no parole other than the option of the Faint Hope Clause. Any prisoner who commited their crime prior to December 2011 and was sentenced to life has the right to apply under the FHC after they have served 15 years. (That same clause is no longer available to crimes post Dec 2011).

TLM received the same sentence as the reviled Clifford Olson. Where do you see the injustice?