GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #10

[kkdj]

Why do you say Holder wouldn't find their lifestyle objectionable? There are people out there who have problems with non-traditional families.

I just had the impression that non traditional wasnt an issue with him. If you think about it, he enjoyed things by far less traditional than Alanna's family. So I just dont think their family arrangement would have been an issue with him. Jmo.
in stating this, I will not and am not putting down Alanna's family in any way.

 

[Brightbird]

I just had the impression that non traditional wasnt an issue with him. If you think about it, he enjoyed things by far less traditional than Alanna's family. So I just dont think their family arrangement would have been an issue with him. Jmo.
in stating this, I will not and am not putting down Alanna's family in any way.

History is full of people publicly espousing one set of values and acting the very opposite in their private lives.

In any case, I think Alanna was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or is that the right place at the wrong time? I don't think she was targeted for any reason other than opportunity.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Beautiful Alanna...

http://www.saginaw-texas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/

Beautiful baby

 

[CHERIE.T]

Occam's Razor...


I know people are probably sick of me writing about it but it does make sense to me.

Take a look at that fat boy. AIN'T no way fat boy carried anything heavier than his cell phone to the end of the driveway and back.

Lacks total ambition.

Didn't even have the motivation to bring her somewhere and hide her. Just dumped her off a mile from home.

I just ...:banghead: and then I....:stormingmad:

And if he killed my child I'd be in....:jail:



And of course this is all just :moo:

Amen ........ I hear you.

 

[21merc7]

Just catching up.

I'm going to guess we do not know what was found in Holder's home, so Alanna's clothes may have been found, or remnants (ie. ashes, shreds, etc...)

Don't know about drugs, but crack, heroin, and meth are the biggest here. Spice is around, but now illegal.

Toilet paper roll. Could have been a used up roll already in the trash, or could have been one that got wet if he put her in the shower to wash evidence away.

2nd perp. At first I was going with groomer and this was planned to video tape for groomer with any child that wandered by at any time it could happen. Then I realized an adult would not leave the child on the side of the street. They would know better and find a wooded area or lake.

I can see a teen coming over, TH saying "I got a dead body in there, want to see it" and a high teen saying "Cool, yeah!". Then disposal after the high is now burst with the reality. Teen life thoughts, or maybe TH has a learning disability (low i.q.) and so do his friends.

All just my current thoughts on this. MOO. And these thoughts are subject to change.

 

[Filly]

TH has a YouTube. I checked the search feature and didn't see it was already posted.




http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv3nzgxHI4G8hRbB3d96U2w

The fact he made the comment about a cannibal six months ago is highly disturbing in of itself.

 

[SCHMAE]

Does anyone still think there's a possibility he targeted Alanna because of her parents' lifestyle? Especially after hearing he slashed their tires before the murder and possibly set their car on fire? It seems like Holder had a vendetta against Alanna's family. Or was it just opportunity? If he saw another little girl playing outside by herself, would he have targeted her instead?

I think it's much more likely that he targeted her because he saw her pass his house every day or two and on that evening he saw her all by herself, peeked around to see if anyone else saw that, and then acted. I doubt if he's got the capacity to care what is going on 2 doors down . mooo

 

[Hopeful One]

The more I see and hear of AG's parents, the more I admire and respect them. Breaks my heart seeing what horror good people have to suffer.

 

[greenpalm]

I've missed a few posts while putting this together. I'll go back and catch up, but this is in regards to escalating crimes and escalating need for attention:

Question: juvenile's records are sealed, but does their DNA still go into the searchable system for LE to compare and search for a match? Furthermore, under what conditions would a crime result in DNA being in the system? I was arrested once, but they didn't take a DNA sample. So, when do they take DNA samples and keep them on file? We can assume that Tyler's DNA was not on file given they had to get a voluntary sample from him. So, what does that say about the kinds of crimes that would be in his juvenile record? assuming he has one, that's sealed.

I meant to say earlier that AG's rape & murder were probably an escalation by TH from lesser offenses, and almost certainly from fantasies along the same lines. Offenders of this type rarely go straight to acting on their impulses to this degree.

Right, exactly. That's why I was asking earlier, what kinds of crimes could be in his juvenile record that would NOT result in DNA being on file?

Of course…*he could have committed crimes like that and not gotten caught, and I'm only assuming he has a juvie record.

in the arrest warrant it says when he came in for questioning the police asked for a sample of his dna and he gave it voluntarily - thats how they got it and were able to match so quick

Thank you, but that's not what I meant. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. Let me try again.

We know his DNA was not on file before that volunteer sample he gave. If it had been, LE would have gotten a match from the samples from Alanna. They didn't.

So, if he does have a juvenile record, it would have to be for crimes which did not result in his DNA getting collected and put in the database.

So, my question was: what kinds of crimes do result in DNA on file, and what kind do not.

Thanks.

Well actually, we don't know that for sure. LE collected DNA samples from several people early on and they may not have known right away if he had any on file.

Okay, perhaps I'm still not being clear.

1. They found DNA on Alanna.
2. They ran the DNA through the database (I'm assuming!)
3. They didn't get any matches, because if they had, they'd have made an arrest.
4. They collected DNA samples from Tyler, and perhaps others
5. They got the results back Saturday, and Tyler was a match.

Therefore, I'm assuming he'd never had DNA collected before for previous crimes, or they'd have gotten a hit when they ran the samples found on her body.

It's been awhile since I researched the law in Texas, but I don't believe it's among the states with mandatory DNA testing for juvenile arrestees.

If the nature of the crime was such that a warrant was issued to collect a sample for evidence, it wouldn't necessarily be retained in CODIS. Following an acquittal or dismissal, the record would be removed. There are variables, and the question can't be answered without knowing the Texas statutes.



Here's a link to the statutes
http://law.onecle.com/texas/government/411.1471.00.html

THANK YOU!!​

That's what I was after. So, it sounds like juvenile DNA is only collected for felonies and even then can be sealed or expunged, but DNA expungement is rare. So, probably, if he has a juvenile record, it's not for felonies.

 

[greenpalm]

I think he will. He seems to crave attention for his crimes.

Look how he left poor little Alanna. He wanted everyone to see what he had done.

Even the slashing of the tires, he was so anxious to have it discovered he was the one who reported it!

He seems to get off on the reactions he gets. I suspect he will greatly enjoy being questioned and getting to tell what he did. Ugh.

Me too:

I wonder if the Gallagher family pressed charges for the tire slashing? It made me curious when Karl said that was one situation in which he wondered if they could have done something different to prevent Alanna's death. (FWIW, "no," but that's how our brains work as parents when bad things happen to our kids. My daughter was recently diagnosed with a chronic, life threatening illness, and I spent weeks looking up the risk factors, and correlated environmental factors, and genetics; second guessing every related parenting choice I'd made, wondering if I could have stopped it if I'd only……" the answer is, "no." You did the best you could with the resources you had at the time, and your heart was in the right place in making the best possible choices for you daughter. ). But Karl's musing make me wonder, what they decided to do. Press charges or not?

It's becoming clear that IBSleuthin was spot on with her "bravado, bully, macho" assessment. I think slashing their tires, and then knocking on the door to say they were flat was another example of that. That behavior of knocking on the door to tell them about the tires sounds like the bully in the school cafeteria who knocks your lunch tray out of your hands, and then sneers at you and says, "you dropped something."

I've changed my mind. Upon hearing the tire stories, I believe he started the fires too. This attention seeking is also why he texted the girl.

(As an aside, his initials being TH is driving me crazy, after following Kyron Horman for so long TH will forever be Terry Horman to me)

 

[ArianeEmory]

(greenpalm, re "TH" initials/crossover with another topic, I really hate that he shares the same last name with my favorite TV cop, Stephen Holder.)

 

[greenpalm]

After that picture LE found on his phone TH appears to be open to many things. I would hope he would be open to consenting adults doing whatever they want in their relationship.

On the other hand, I've seen and heard stories of people behave in really bizarre ways when they are internally conflicted. The ex-smoker who turns into the Smoking Gestapo. (Of course they probably really want a cigarette)

I've read some very interesting stories about women who are very vocal in the pro-life movement. For whatever reason they've found themselves having an abortion (or more than one) but they're ranting in the recovery room about how immoral it is.

Maybe he's got all kinds of complicated emotional baggage tied up in sex, and families, and relationships, and he hated and resented them for their unusual situation, he probably especially hated them because it was loving and mutually supportive.

I can see that, depending on his history, he could both resent and hate them, and want to do what he did with the phone and the garden hose, it's potentially all connected actually.

 

[Threeplus1]

Is he clever enough to try to make it look like it was an attack on their lifestyle? After murdering her in a "fit" of rage/power/whatever?

:seeya:

No but his lawyer might!

Please keep in mind this is Texas, not Pinellas Co., Florida. He killed a baby girl. They have DNA evidence. I'll be surprised if this punk makes it to trial. There's a prosecutor somewhere in Texas trying to figure out a way around the Supreme Court's decision to not put 17 yr olds to death. I guarantee it!

 

[SCHMAE]

Me too:

I wonder if the Gallagher family pressed charges for the tire slashing? It made me curious when Karl said that was one situation in which he wondered if they could have done something different to prevent Alanna's death. (FWIW, "no," but that's how our brains work as parents when bad things happen to our kids. My daughter was recently diagnosed with a chronic, life threatening illness, and I spent weeks looking up the risk factors, and correlated environmental factors, and genetics; second guessing every related parenting choice I'd made, wondering if I could have stopped it if I'd only……" the answer is, "no." You did the best you could with the resources you had at the time, and your heart was in the right place in making the best possible choices for you daughter. ). But Karl's musing make me wonder, what they decided to do. Press charges or not?

It's becoming clear that IBSleuthin was spot on with her "bravado, bully, macho" assessment. I think slashing their tires, and then knocking on the door to say they were flat was another example of that. That behavior of knocking on the door to tell them about the tires sounds like the bully in the school cafeteria who knocks your lunch tray out of your hands, and then sneers at you and says, "you dropped something."

I've changed my mind. Upon hearing the tire stories, I believe he started the fires too. This attention seeking is also why he texted the girl.

(As an aside, his initials being TH is driving me crazy, after following Kyron Horman for so long TH will forever be Terry Horman to me)

I wonder if the tire slashing was to gain a little access to Alanna. Something like ' oh what a nice helpful neighbor boy, he's a good kid' and parents let their guard down because he's been so helpful. Not that the parents did, but I wonder if TH thought it might be a 'foot in the door' type maneuver. Also, did I imagine that he had mowed yards for neighbors? Wonder if he mowed theirs.

 

[skibaboo]

I wonder if the tire slashing was to gain a little access to Alanna. Something like ' oh what a nice helpful neighbor boy, he's a good kid' and parents let their guard down because he's been so helpful. Not that the parents did, but I wonder if TH thought it might be a 'foot in the door' type maneuver. Also, did I imagine that he had mowed yards for neighbors? Wonder if he mowed theirs.

Jumping off this post, I wonder who was the neighbour who was knocking and banging on their door to tell them the car was on fire?

 

[SCHMAE]

To Skibab's post....... You know? No one has said , have they ? More things that make you go hmmmmmmm .

 

[skibaboo]

Jumping off this post, I wonder who was the neighbour who was knocking and banging on their door to tell them the car was on fire? f( I totally jacked up your posts, sorry skibab) You know? No one has said , have they ? More things that make you go hmmmmmmm .

That is the kind of person that may be up at 2am...

 

[ArianeEmory]

Jumping off this post, I wonder who was the neighbour who was knocking and banging on their door to tell them the car was on fire?

I think we actually knew this at some point, I feel like it was someone just across the street, it may have been in the scanner thread.

 

[SCHMAE]

I thought in the interview with LG about the fire, when she said a neighbor knocked, that she was gesturing toward her left. Standing on her front porch, isn't TH"s home to THEIR right? Maybe I have the homes mixed up . tia

 

[skibaboo]

I think we actually knew this at some point, I feel like it was someone just across the street, it may have been in the scanner thread.

Ah ok, thanks. NVM then, just a thought.