GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #13

[human]

I wouldn't doubt if he was smoking meth. It causes obsessions with sex, heightens and escalates sex drive.

http://www.sexualrecovery.com/articles/crystal-meth-sex-addiction.php

That makes total sense to me. His obsession is extreme and meth sure is a culprit in that.

We have a huge issue with bath salts or synthetics or whatever you want to call them. But so far, no one has said anything about sex addiction.

 

[x_files]

That's not quite what I read, jmo:


"After the divorce, Jeff Holder and his new wife, Gina, bought Kimberly Holder a mobile home and set it on their property so she could live there with her son, then around 2, he said. A boyfriend of Kimberly’s also lived there.

Gina Holder remembers Tyler Holder as a “wild child,” a little-bitty kid who had to be forced to eat his macaroni and cheese and was on medicine for hyperactivity.

“He had a mind of his own, for sure,” Gina Holder said. “Even when he was young, he was hard to correct. He was hard to corral. … It was his way or no way.”

Gina Holder said her husband asked his daughter to leave after they found the mobile home trashed, with drug paraphernalia inside. She said Kimberly Holder and her son drifted apart from the couple after that."

drug paraphernalia=drug use by either mother or bf.
Unless grandpa saw a black velvet poster of Jimi Hendrix and jumped to wild conclusions.

 

[ctkid]

But so far, no one has said anything about sex addiction.

We would all like to know to what extent the information on the phone and the computer show, that could be and maybe some information about sex addiction. The online ads could also point to sex addiction. We do know that he had a addiction to toilet paper tubes, water hoses and condoms.

Thinking!


Could those items relate to some kind of sex addiction?

 

[blue22]

That makes total sense to me. His obsession is extreme and meth sure is a culprit in that.

We have a huge issue with bath salts or synthetics or whatever you want to call them. But so far, no one has said anything about sex addiction.

I used to pretty much live in meth country. He just doesn't look like a single person I've known to do meth. I'm not saying that means he doesn't do meth, but he certainly doesn't physically fit the profile. Bath salts has not ever been reported to really be a problem around here. Now, they could be, but the police and news are pretty quick to report on dangerous drug trends. Heroin is more of a problem here, especially with the younger crowd. Prescription mediation and other opiates, as well. There are methadone clinics all over the place, here. I have wondered if he was on methadone. It can cause people to gain a lot of weight, get sweaty and puffy, swelling, etc.

Or, he was really just a pot head. There wasn't really anything in the way of drug paraphernalia in the search warrants. I don't think hard core drug abusers would have nothing.

 

[blue22]

drug paraphernalia=drug use by either mother or bf.
Unless grandpa saw a black velvet poster of Jimi Hendrix and jumped to wild conclusions.

I think they were just pointing out, that it doesn't mean the mother was the one on drugs. People have assumed she was, but we have nothing to prove that.

 

[human]

In the city by me, a prominent person was busted for having sex with a 16 year old male he met on Craig's. They were in an outdoor area and I forget if it was LE who caught them or a park personnel o r whatever.

Anyway, money exchanged hands. Among other things.

Prostitution is illegal so no money can be mentioned in an ad.

Are there code words or I wonder how the price is determined? I wonder how much an encounter goes for?

 

[human]

Maybe OT for this thread (deals with Ariel Castro), but an interesting insight into the psychology of a (possible) sexual psychopath, which perhaps applies to TH as well.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/08/01/am-not-monster-inside-mind-ariel-castro/

Sorry if anyone here has an aversion to Fox News.

This is so excellent. He has dealt with so many pukes so he knows what he is talking about.

I, too, cry about these damaged souls. I look into huge baby eyes, so innocent. Some of them not knowing what hell they are descending into. I don't know how anyone can look at a tiny baby and think the baby is evil.

Sorry, but parents do things they may not even know are harmful. Not being mean, but where do people learn how to take care of children?

Some people think it's great that their children sit in front of educational TV all day. Some people prop a bottle to feed their child. Some people believe it is spoiling a baby to respond to their cries. Lots of incorrect info out there

 

[human]

We would all like to know to what extent the information on the phone and the computer show, that could be and maybe some information about sex addiction. The online ads could also point to sex addiction. We do know that he had a addiction to toilet paper tubes, water hoses and condoms.

Thinking!


Could those items relate to some kind of sex addiction?

Sorry. I am not clear. Meth causes bizarre sex issues. I have not heard if synthetics do.

He is a chunk, and it has been discussed earlier about meth and being skinny. Anyone see his teeth? Skin, besides the purple panties? Hm. Take a look a few hours after your meal.

 

[ctkid]

Found this on bath salts.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/signs-symptoms-bath-salts.html

These signs of bath salts use include:

Increased blood pressure
Chest pains
Increased heart rate
Agitation
Hallucinations
Kidney pain
Increased body temperature or chills
Muscle tension
Nausea
Confusion
Reduced need for food or sleep
Paranoia
Suicidal ideas
Delusions
A person using bath salts may overheat and therefore tear his clothes off. His paranoia may drive him to aggressive, uncontrolled attacks on others, or self-destruction. He will probably not respond to any commands to stop his actions, and pepper spray or tasers may have no effect.

 

[human]

I used to pretty much live in meth country. He just doesn't look like a single person I've known to do meth. I'm not saying that means he doesn't do meth, but he certainly doesn't physically fit the profile. Bath salts has not ever been reported to really be a problem around here. Now, they could be, but the police and news are pretty quick to report on dangerous drug trends. Heroin is more of a problem here, especially with the younger crowd. Prescription mediation and other opiates, as well. There are methadone clinics all over the place, here. I have wondered if he was on methadone. It can cause people to gain a lot of weight, get sweaty and puffy, swelling, etc.

Or, he was really just a pot head. There wasn't really anything in the way of drug paraphernalia in the search warrants. I don't think hard core drug abusers would have nothing.

The lack of drug is interesting. Some people said the toilet paper tubes could be used for smoking.

I do not want to ask hubby to experiment. Seems like the tubes are too small for sex purposes?

 

[Sincerely]

Has this link been posted regarding RCs wife car being rifled through prior to all of this and also includes words from bio dad:

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/29/5038936/arlington-officer-shot-during.html

 

[ctkid]

http://www.narconon.org/drug-information/synthetic-drugs.html

This on Spice.

Spice was purported to be a legal replacement for cannabis and was often sold as incense in head shops. Instructions for use specifically state that the product was not for human consumption but that fooled no one. Spice, also known as K2, is composed of one or more chemicals sprayed onto herbal material. These chemicals are known only as HU-210, JWH-018 or JWH-073, among others.

Besides being legal in the US until 2012, Spice would not show up on many existing drug tests in the early days of its distribution. It found popularity among some members of the military, but this was short lived. In 2011, more than 1,500 sailors were relieved of duty after being found to be using Spice. The military had to scramble to update drug tests and institute drug abuse monitoring programs in part due to the internal crisis created by Spice abuse.

Spice was found to cause anxiety, hallucinations, psychosis and paranoia in some users. Several deaths were associated with Spice, often because of paranoia or violence triggered by use of the drug. But lack of drug tests for Spice in the early days of its distribution made accurate reporting on resulting deaths impossible.

 

[human]

Found this on bath salts.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/signs-symptoms-bath-salts.html

These signs of bath salts use include:

Increased blood pressure
Chest pains
Increased heart rate
Agitation
Hallucinations
Kidney pain
Increased body temperature or chills
Muscle tension
Nausea
Confusion
Reduced need for food or sleep
Paranoia
Suicidal ideas
Delusions
A person using bath salts may overheat and therefore tear his clothes off. His paranoia may drive him to aggressive, uncontrolled attacks on others, or self-destruction. He will probably not respond to any commands to stop his actions, and pepper spray or tasers may have no effect.

That fits exactly with what is happening here. The people go to the ER. They are totally out of control. Some die. Some are institutionalized for life.

 

[x_files]

I used to pretty much live in meth country. He just doesn't look like a single person I've known to do meth. I'm not saying that means he doesn't do meth, but he certainly doesn't physically fit the profile. Bath salts has not ever been reported to really be a problem around here. Now, they could be, but the police and news are pretty quick to report on dangerous drug trends. Heroin is more of a problem here, especially with the younger crowd. Prescription mediation and other opiates, as well. There are methadone clinics all over the place, here. I have wondered if he was on methadone. It can cause people to gain a lot of weight, get sweaty and puffy, swelling, etc.

Or, he was really just a pot head. There wasn't really anything in the way of drug paraphernalia in the search warrants. I don't think hard core drug abusers would have nothing.

I've known meth users that were overweight and stayed overweight. He could have just started in the last few months it can take up to a year to show signs of meth abuse.
I had a few male model types that used meth recreationally and had perfect skin, hair and teeth. I never would have known.
You can smoke meth or put up your bum. There wouldn't be any other paraphernalia needed.
http://www.drugs.com/cg/methamphetamine-abuse.html

 

[ctkid]

The lack of drug is interesting. Some people said the toilet paper tubes could be used for smoking.

I do not want to ask hubby to experiment. Seems like the tubes are too small for sex purposes?

I thought about the toilet paper tubes being formed into a pipe with some aluminum foil. When the item list said "Condoms inside toilet paper tubes", I switched over the secondary option.

 

[Flutterby80]

The CL ads did not only say weed, but mollies as well. I looked them up.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/health/molly-mdma-drug

 

[ctkid]

I've known meth users that were overweight and stayed overweight. He could have just started in the last few months it can take up to a year to show signs of meth abuse.
I had a few male model types that used meth recreationally and had perfect skin, hair and teeth. I never would have known.
You can smoke meth or put up your bum. There wouldn't be any other paraphernalia needed.
http://www.drugs.com/cg/methamphetamine-abuse.html

I know a big time crystal/meth users, I saw him at a pizza parlor on Sunday, and I said to myself, dang he's getting fatter. And saying that, the guy does have some strange sex thing going on, he has a stripper pole in his bedroom. He would describe different girls that were over as the flavor of the month.
I am not going to say anything about the videos that I hear he was in.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Wow! Just caught up reading from yesterday. My ex was/is addicted to and the amount of time he spent viewing it increased as time went on. As time went on he also would view more and more bizarre things. How did I know.....I found things hidden in places and saw his online history. Some people just don't view, they also want to act out what they see. My ex did not do drugs and he was not molested as a child. His addiction (he still denies) cost us our marriage.

IMO sexual addiction is not about male/female, male/male etc. it is about the act of sex. Anything goes! It is very easy to find other males that will participate in "anything goes" online. It is difficult to find other females that will do this. This is why the ads are placed for male/male. 420 is commonly referenced in these ads as well as asking for "gifts".

The things found in TH's home and his behavior all IMO lead to a sexual addiction, an obsession....IMO he viewed and he wanted to act out what he viewed.

 

[human]

I thought about the toilet paper tubes being formed into a pipe with some aluminum foil. When the item list said "Condoms inside toilet paper tubes", I switched over the secondary option.

So, his equipment may not be that large.

Maybe he has a condition for that causes small size? I know there is someting.

 

[Flutterby80]

I kind of think sex addiction is like drug addiction in that at first, a little is good but as time goes on you need more and more to feel the rush. More in volume and/or more variety. I have RA and have been taking prescription meds for about 2 years, and I have already had to increase the dosage on one and switch another because the effectiveness wears off. You build an immunity to the effects, I think. Drug and other addictions work the same way, right? You don't do more necessarily to get a bigger high, but to just maintain the high you first experienced. I can see how sex addiction could work the same way.