TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #2

[Jim G]

If there was no crime <modsnip> she wouldn't have been charged.

Never said there was no crime <modsnip>. Said there was no murder. And when you claim an "innocent" man, you are failing to put yourself in Amber's mindset that he was an intruder in HER apartment.

 

[DatelineFan]

Never said there was no crime <modsnip>. Said there was no murder. And when you claim an "innocent" man, you are failing to put yourself in Amber's mindset that he was an intruder in HER apartment.

She knew she had killed an innocent man when she was walking around outside instead of trying to save his life! There's not ONE excuse for that. Not one.

 

[Jennifer17]

Never said there was no crime <modsnip>. Said there was no murder. And when you claim an "innocent" man, you are failing to put yourself in Amber's mindset that he was an intruder in HER apartment.

Except she reckless ignored all the signs that it was not her apartment. The red mat at the door and the fact that her key would not open the door.

 

[DatelineFan]

Except she reckless ignored all the signs that it was not her apartment. The red mat at the door and the fact that her key would not open the door.

Right. And tired is no excuse. People work around the clock all the time. Doctors, surgeons, firefighters, etc., and they don't walk into the wrong house at the end of the shift and start shooting people.

 

[Isabelle]

There could be evidence on the laptop that shows there was a relationship with the Officer, a dispute or even threats made by the Police Officer. This could show intent to kill and prove murder. Until we develop a Psychic Police force and to follow the rules of evidence it is necessary to obtain a warrant and do a physical search. Hope this helps

LE should have had to do the search with an independent representative for Mr. Jean present. I would not put it past LE to place nefarious materials in his home that would reflect badly on his person. The victim has no voice.

 

[DatelineFan]

LE should have had to do the search with an independent representative for Mr. Jean present. I would not put it past LE to place nefarious materials in his home that would reflect badly on his person. The victim has no voice.

I think they usually video the searches, is that right? I hope that at least happened!

 

[Isabelle]

Never said there was no crime <modsnip>. Said there was no murder. And when you claim an "innocent" man, you are failing to put yourself in Amber's mindset that he was an intruder in HER apartment.

Well, for one thing, it was NOT her apartment. I don’t care that she mistook it as her apartment. She killed an innocent man only because she could!!!

 

[Jim G]

Except she reckless ignored all the signs that it was not her apartment. The red mat at the door and the fact that her key would not open the door.

Recklessly, perhaps. Willingly? No. Murder requires willingly

 

[Isabelle]

She knew she had killed an innocent man when she was walking around outside instead of trying to save his life! There's not ONE excuse for that. Not one.

Agree. I doubt she would allow blood to get on her hands.

 

[Rocco]

Never said there was no crime <modsnip>. Said there was no murder. And when you claim an "innocent" man, you are failing to put yourself in Amber's mindset that he was an intruder in HER apartment.

She wasn't in what she thought was her apt. It's not like she was in what she thought was her apt, relaxing or watching a movie, and she saw a man in what she thought was her apt.
She was at the doorway.
In order to shoot someone under the Castle Doctrine you have to be in fear of great bodily harm or death from the intruder. You can only use as much force as necessary to stop the intruder. She couldn't have been in fear of anything---she was standing there with a loaded gun. And then she shot and killed him without even bothering to turn on the lights to see who she was shooting. She said so herself.

 

[Rocco]

Recklessly, perhaps. Willingly? No. Murder requires willingly

She shot him against her will?
No.
She willingly shot him.
She said so herself.

 

[Eclipse]

Recklessly, perhaps. Willingly? No. Murder requires willingly

Then what you are saying is that at this point- with the evidence known, manslaughter is the correct charge?

 

[TinaG]

I think they usually video the searches, is that right? I hope that at least happened!

Why on earth did they search his apartment and not hers! She committed the crime!

 

[rosesfromangels]

Think about it Roses. Amber calls 911 immediately. She renders CPR immediately. Do those sound like the actions of a murderer?In the microseconds between when the trigger was pulled and the 911 buttons pressed , When does she have time to concoct a bogus explanation?

Jim, I have a theory, and admittedly it is amateur speculation.
The Officer allegedly was shouting to be “let in”. We know someone reported the Victim for making noise, sometime in the hours or day before his death.

I speculate the officer came home and was wound up for whatever reason. She may have been altered by substances, or just unstable. I think she popped. I don’t think this was a horrible mistake as she describes, I think it was an act of aggression.

Amateur opinion and speculation.
Time, witnesses, and evidence will tell.

Sad all around.

 

[TinaG]

Recklessly, perhaps. Willingly? No. Murder requires willingly

Mr Jim, if you are LE or know or work with them personally, then you know darn well that they lie & cheat, not to mention their enormous ego's and their nobody can touch me attitude! Don't even pretend that is not the case! And yes I am jaded spent too many years up close and personal! They will not hesitate for one second to lie and fabricate evidence and ruin someone else's life just to cover up their own minor infraction.

 

[sloane7777]

Why on earth did they search his apartment and not hers! She committed the crime!

its where the crime took place , but searching hers is a good idea!

 

[Isabelle]

Its farfetched based on the information we have so far that this cop INTENTIALLY broke into this man's apartment to shoot him in cold blood. From the facts so far they didn't even know each other.

But, I don't believe her story of the door being ajar either.

Agree and I believe she made a mistake, a very bad mistake. The shooting could be seen as accidental, but a life was taken. If you are in a car accident and not intoxicated or on drugs, it may well be an unfortunate accident. If another is killed because of the accident, it doesn’t make the accident ok.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

For you to be correct, you would have to prove that Amber knew she was entering the wrong apartment, and you cannot and will never be able to prove this. If you have any proof, let's here it.
::crickets::

Not really, a jury does not have to believe a single one of her conflicting stories. I sure don't.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

I don't have to prove it. Websleuths is not a court of law. I can believe what I want without proving my position to random Jim's on the internet.

For your position to be true, YOU would have to prove she did NOT know. But I'm not going to ask, cause I don't care random jim.

Nobody is obligated to extend her the benefit of the doubt or believe a thing she swears to............court or no court

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

According to all that's been reported, she didn't actually enter the apt until after she shot him. She shot a silhouette from the doorway that was a man in his home.

If the apartment was allegedly dark with illumination coming in from the open door, since the hallway is brightly illuminated, how did she see a silloutte which requires back light?