TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018

[Jennifer17]

yep! How convenient

And the story changed drastically.

 

[MaryG12]

I’m a little cynical. Came with the territory. I tend to wait to make up my mind on the coverage. But this one is a massive fail from top to bottom. It’s obvious now.

And the story changed drastically.

Yep.

 

[jjenny]

She had a whole weekend to decide what her story was...JMO.

I am not sure what exactly is the benefit of him being inside the apartment versus him being at the door. She shot him either way, that's not in dispute. We don't know that her story changed in any way since Texas rangers were the only ones to interview her, Dallas police department didn't do it.

 

[tmar]

thank you for Starting this, his name is Botham Jean, and by all accounts a really great guy (I did not know him) Honestly though HOW do you not know you are in the wrong apt ....are they all so standard that they look the same at the entrance .....off to answer my own question...I will report back

Must keep reading, but I agree, walking into someone's apartment.
How did she enter : her keys fit his apartment!!!
Surely there is more to this.

 

[jjenny]

Yep.

Actually, nope.
The version attributed to anonymous source in Dallas police department doesn't qualify as her changing her story.

 

[Thora_Jay]

A white Dallas police officer says she shot her black neighbor whose home she mistakenly entered after he ignored her "verbal commands," police wrote in an arrest affidavit released Monday.

David Armstrong of the Texas Rangers wrote that officer Amber Guyger said she inserted her key into the door, and it opened because it had been slightly ajar. Guyger said the apartment was completely dark and she thought a burglar was inside her home when she noticed a large silhouette across the room, he wrote.

Guyger drew her handgun, gave verbal commands that were ignored and fired her weapon twice, striking 26-year-old Botham Jean once in the torso.

She entered the apartment and called 911, requesting an ambulance and police. When 911 asked for her location, she checked outside the apartment and realized she was at the wrong apartment, Armstrong wrote in the affidavit.

Dallas officer who killed neighbor in wrong apartment said he ignored her verbal commands

From the article:

“officer Amber Guyger said she inserted her key into the door, and it opened because it had been slightly ajar. “

I say bull! How did she fully insert here key in the door if it was ajar without it fully opening from the pressure? Try going to your front door, have it ajar and see if you can fully insert a key (even a card or whatever they use in the apartment building) You have to hold on to the door handle to do that without it opening all the way. Oh boy I hope I am explaining this right. Hopefully you will know what I mean.

 

[Rocco]

The affidavit filed for the manslaughter arrest of a Dallas police officer who shot Harding graduate Botham Jean in his own apartment says he ignored her verbal commands and she fired after she entered his apartment thinking it was her own.


She said she didn't know she was in the wrong place until after she'd shot Jean. She said the door opened at the push of electronic key card into the door lock and that when she was entered the apartment was dark and she could only see the silhouette of someone she presumed was a burgla

Affidavit released in Dallas cop's shooting of Harding graduate

The written article states ''when she entered the apartment'' but the actual affidavit doesn't say she actually 'entered'. I wonder if she saw his silhouette from the doorway and just shot him. I also wonder if that's the big news the family attorneys have and it was caught on surveillance.

 

[Jennifer17]

The written article states ''when she entered the apartment'' but the actual affidavit doesn't say she actually 'entered'. I wonder if she saw his silhouette from the doorway and just shot him. I also wonder if that's the big news the family attorneys have and it was caught on surveillance.

It does seem that her statement changed after the news of the new witness, doesn't it?

 

[jjenny]

The written article states ''when she entered the apartment'' but the actual affidavit doesn't say she actually 'entered'. I wonder if she saw his silhouette from the doorway and just shot him. I also wonder if that's the big news the family attorneys have and it was caught on surveillance.

I think later on in the affidavit it does say she entered the apartment, but after she already shot him. So you are likely right, she wasn't inside the apartment when she shot him. But that can not be what attorney has, since we are told whatever evidence attorney has doesn't cover the shooting itself.

 

[jjenny]

It does seem that her statement changed after the news of the new witness, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't. Her statement is what she told Texas Rangers.
It doesn't have anything to do with whatever witness says. Rangers interviewed her before family's lawyer showed up with the witness.

 

[Jennifer17]

No, it doesn't. Her statement is what she told Texas Rangers.
It doesn't have anything to do with whatever witness says. Rangers interviewed her before family's lawyer showed up with the witness.

But did not change it until after. She was not charged until the new witness had been interviewed.

 

[Medstudies]

And the story changed drastically.

Yes it did, and it’s insulting. - (am I the only one that is even more angry now?)

 

[cybervampira]

I am not sure what exactly is the benefit of him being inside the apartment versus him being at the door. She shot him either way, that's not in dispute. We don't know that her story changed in any way since Texas rangers were the only ones to interview her, Dallas police department didn't do it.

Oh, there‘s a big difference.

Story 1:
- She is fummeling with the key.
- Door doesn’t open.
- She puts items down and continues fighting with the lock.
- He opens the door and startles her.
- She shoots immediately.

Story 2:
- She comes home and finds the door ajar.
- She enters the dark apartment and discovers a burglar.
- She gives him orders (hands up).
- He doesn‘t follow her orders and approaches her. Maybe he has a weapon, she can‘t see it because it‘s dark. Maybe he wants to choke or beat her.
- She is in fear and there is an imminent threat to her life.

No. 2 clearly blames the victim. No. 1 doesn‘t.

 

[Rocco]

A white Dallas police officer says she shot her black neighbor whose home she mistakenly entered after he ignored her "verbal commands," police wrote in an arrest affidavit released Monday.

David Armstrong of the Texas Rangers wrote that officer Amber Guyger said she inserted her key into the door, and it opened because it had been slightly ajar. Guyger said the apartment was completely dark and she thought a burglar was inside her home when she noticed a large silhouette across the room, he wrote.

Guyger drew her handgun, gave verbal commands that were ignored and fired her weapon twice, striking 26-year-old Botham Jean once in the torso.

She entered the apartment and called 911, requesting an ambulance and police. When 911 asked for her location, she checked outside the apartment and realized she was at the wrong apartment, Armstrong wrote in the affidavit.

Dallas officer who killed neighbor in wrong apartment said he ignored her verbal commands

This account says the door opened, she thought she saw a burglar, she drew her handgun, she gave verbal commands, she fired her weapon striking Botham and then she entered the apt and called 911.

I think she shot him from the doorway.

 

[Rocco]

Yes it did, and it’s insulting. - (am I the only one that is even more angry now?)

Nope---I'm right there with ya.

 

[jjenny]

Oh, there‘s a big difference.

Story 1:
- She is fummeling with the key.
- Door doesn’t open.
- She puts items down and continues fighting with the lock.
- He opens the door and startles her.
- She shoots immediately.

Story 2:
- She comes home and finds the door ajar.
- She enters the dark apartment and discovers a burglar.
- She gives him orders (hands up).
- He doesn‘t follow her orders and approaches her. Maybe he has a weapon, she can‘t see it because it‘s dark. Maybe he wants to choke or beat her.
- She is in fear and there is an imminent threat to her life.

No. 2 clearly blames the victim. No. 1 doesn‘t.

Story one is attributed to anonymous source from Dallas PD. So you can't say her story changed based on that.

 

[jjenny]

But did not change it until after. She was not charged until the new witness had been interviewed.

She gave one interview to Texas Rangers. Nowhere in the affidavit does it say her story changed at any point.

 

[MsFacetious]

This case is making me question LE more than I usually do.

This case is making me question my sanity more than I usually do.

Yes it did, and it’s insulting. - (am I the only one that is even more angry now?)

No, I am raging angry now. Not just this case but this case started it.

 

[Medstudies]

Just a weird thought... I wonder if he had any security devices? Or an Echo that may have picked up anything? Or if he thought to pull out his phone to record the encounter or dial police?

Then again, if he did - would this actually be disclosed or buried?

 

[jjenny]

Just a weird thought... I wonder if he had any security devices? Or an Echo that may have picked up anything? Or if he thought to pull out his phone to record the encounter or dial police?

Then again, if he did - would this actually be disclosed or buried?

I don't think he had time to do any of that.