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It could have been targeted, planned and opportunistic.
TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #5
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Is it usual to start a garage sale in the early morning at 6am. when still dark? (I wouldn't have done it; rather I would have risked, that someone steals a thing or two of my offers.)
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There are some people that do start them early, and some people who go to lots of garage sales on weekends so not too crazy or unusual plus it seems like it was actually starting at 7.
I am curious, they had these sales before did they always start this early?
I’ve lived in my city for 20 years and sometimes if I’m on auto pilot or distracted/thinking about something, I start driving the wrong direction lol. Or it could be that they are familiar with the city and have been to her house previously but not enough to be “experts” in the navigation of her subdivision.
Like you said, who knows in this case. It’s a wild one.
We have a yard sale almost every year and usually start setting up between 6-630 for an 8:00 official start time (though hardcore garage salers will often show up by 7:30).
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There's an update on the Who Killed Liz Barraza.
Detective Ritchie now Sargeant Ritchie is back on the case as lead. He transferred back to homicide.
Not sure if Wyatt is still on the case in some capacity.
I ran across another high-profile case Ritchie was on. Missing persons/double homicide. SOLVED involved social media, surveillance video and phone tech.
Case with Ritchie featured on Investigation Discovery: To Catch a Killer: Episode 1: All Hands On Deck
I recall him saying he has a 90% solve rate. Fingers crossed this is the year....
Here's an article: Cousins criminally linked to 2 recent disappearances, deputies say
THERE WAS ANOTHER UPDATE TO THE TIMELINE but I'm unsure what was updated. Maybe the vigil and memorial info? Take a look. Interested if any new times added...but I didn't catch anything.....
Detective Ritchie now Sargeant Ritchie is back on the case as lead. He transferred back to homicide.
Not sure if Wyatt is still on the case in some capacity.
I ran across another high-profile case Ritchie was on. Missing persons/double homicide. SOLVED involved social media, surveillance video and phone tech.
Case with Ritchie featured on Investigation Discovery: To Catch a Killer: Episode 1: All Hands On Deck
I recall him saying he has a 90% solve rate. Fingers crossed this is the year....
Here's an article: Cousins criminally linked to 2 recent disappearances, deputies say
THERE WAS ANOTHER UPDATE TO THE TIMELINE but I'm unsure what was updated. Maybe the vigil and memorial info? Take a look. Interested if any new times added...but I didn't catch anything.....
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Crossing fingers that with detective Ritchie back on the case, the case will progress to being solvable and solved.
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Me too; toes crossed too, I can actually do that.
I just hope it signifies some new activity.
The other Ritchie case renewed my hope; it involved identifying a vehicle, surveillance, phones, social media, and working with the DA’s office.
Liz’s case is just a different beast though. A conspiracy with several parties..they always take time.
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Morf13 cited Arrin Stoner's video in the post;
TX - TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #5
I agree it is not up to his usual standard. IMO:
The dynamic range of the nest camera audio does
not sound to me to be sufficient to come to the
conclusions he came to.
He asserts that the words "you know what, it's not
worth it" can be heard - I can't discern that.
Also, (when the killer is running towards the Pro4x),
that the words "keep pressing" are heard - I don't
hear those words at all.
The shots, scream and the rev(roar) of the Pro4x
driving away are easily discerned, as you would
expect of quite loud sounds - but other 'rev' (aka
whoosh) type sounds appear to have their source from
barely audible and not understandable snatches of
sound of the conversation between killer and victim,
and possibly the sound of vehicles driving through
Sorrel Meadows Dr & Barmby Dr (next streets north).
The entrance way the nest camera is located in forms
a natural sound channel to pickup such noise.
Possibly, also the sound of some of the vehicles
proceeding at speed along Kuykendahl Rd (off to the
east, limit 45 mph) is also being caught.
This lack of clarity applies also to the question
of whether it's a male or female voice. The sound
software he utilized gives a result, but the sound
quality input is too poor (garbage sound in, garbage
result out) for me to believe the result it gives. You
might as well input a lion roaring or a monkey
screeching.
The momentary flickering of the headlights to me is
consistent in time with the expected movement of
the running killer as they ran in front of the Pro4x
to get to the drivers seat. I have difficulty with the
liklihood of any accomplice acting to be e.g. pressing
(bliping) on the accelerator.
Was there another person (accomplice) in the Pro4x?
People must come to their own conclusion based on
the visual evidence. For myself, I look closely at
the video (i.e. timestamp 34:28). It seems too fuzzy
to discern a person - but what I do notice is a
lighter colored horizontal line. Depending on the
position of the passenger seat (fully upright or
perhaps partially reclined back) what I think I
see causing that lighter colored horizontal line
may be either light reflecting off the top of the
(leather?) seat (not headrest) or just as likely, the
line of writing that is present in the leather-seated
option of the Pro4x; (Image found at; )
If what we are seeing is the writing, that
suggests the passenger seat is in fact empty.
It may also suggest we are seeing a leather-
seated option Pro4x - however, I understand
there are seat covers purchaseable from Nissan
also with writing on them, but it is uncertain
to me what year Nissan started offering those
seat covers.
TX - TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #5
I agree it is not up to his usual standard. IMO:
The dynamic range of the nest camera audio does
not sound to me to be sufficient to come to the
conclusions he came to.
He asserts that the words "you know what, it's not
worth it" can be heard - I can't discern that.
Also, (when the killer is running towards the Pro4x),
that the words "keep pressing" are heard - I don't
hear those words at all.
The shots, scream and the rev(roar) of the Pro4x
driving away are easily discerned, as you would
expect of quite loud sounds - but other 'rev' (aka
whoosh) type sounds appear to have their source from
barely audible and not understandable snatches of
sound of the conversation between killer and victim,
and possibly the sound of vehicles driving through
Sorrel Meadows Dr & Barmby Dr (next streets north).
The entrance way the nest camera is located in forms
a natural sound channel to pickup such noise.
Possibly, also the sound of some of the vehicles
proceeding at speed along Kuykendahl Rd (off to the
east, limit 45 mph) is also being caught.
This lack of clarity applies also to the question
of whether it's a male or female voice. The sound
software he utilized gives a result, but the sound
quality input is too poor (garbage sound in, garbage
result out) for me to believe the result it gives. You
might as well input a lion roaring or a monkey
screeching.
The momentary flickering of the headlights to me is
consistent in time with the expected movement of
the running killer as they ran in front of the Pro4x
to get to the drivers seat. I have difficulty with the
liklihood of any accomplice acting to be e.g. pressing
(bliping) on the accelerator.
Was there another person (accomplice) in the Pro4x?
People must come to their own conclusion based on
the visual evidence. For myself, I look closely at
the video (i.e. timestamp 34:28). It seems too fuzzy
to discern a person - but what I do notice is a
lighter colored horizontal line. Depending on the
position of the passenger seat (fully upright or
perhaps partially reclined back) what I think I
see causing that lighter colored horizontal line
may be either light reflecting off the top of the
(leather?) seat (not headrest) or just as likely, the
line of writing that is present in the leather-seated
option of the Pro4x; (Image found at; )
Code:
https://jamescerantinissan.net/New-VehicleResearch/2018-Nissan-Frontier-445393If what we are seeing is the writing, that
suggests the passenger seat is in fact empty.
It may also suggest we are seeing a leather-
seated option Pro4x - however, I understand
there are seat covers purchaseable from Nissan
also with writing on them, but it is uncertain
to me what year Nissan started offering those
seat covers.
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I agree 100% with EVERYTHING you said here, great post.
I think it is a mistake to guess what was said, and what is heard, and what the very poor video shows.
I think we can all agree that a person exits the vehicle, shoots Liz, then runs back to the vehicle. (I think many of us DO tend to think that the shooter is wearing something that resembles a robe, dress, etc, and that they may have long hair or a wig, but it's hard to pinpoint) Also still think that the killer did indeed hand Liz something with their left hand, and that she took it with her right, but that too is not a certainty.
Just want to throw one more thing out there. Is it possible that the truck is a Nissan Titan Pro4X and nota Nissan Frontier 4X? As I previously mentioned, I own a Titan version of this truck and as far as big trucks go, it is NOT as big as some other full size trucks. To me, my truck is a mid size truck not a large one. It seems as if police are confident that it is a Frontier, but I'd just hate to see them accidentally rule out a Titan. Below in this pic I am comparing the 2 trucks (comparing the 2023 models)and they are hard to tell apart for me, and I own one of them and I actually think the wheelbase on a crew cab in both models is the same
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I believe there is video of a side-view where the emblem is visible- that might help with the ID
I've not been able to clearly understand what is being conveyed or any of the sounds during the video. Barely, heard the "good morning" or "morning."
I used to be in agreement about the truck revving its engine, but no longer support that idea. I've listened to enough podcasts and similar noises are heard, which I've heard in the grainy murder video. It was a wake up call - sort of. Moo
I used to be in agreement about the truck revving its engine, but no longer support that idea. I've listened to enough podcasts and similar noises are heard, which I've heard in the grainy murder video. It was a wake up call - sort of. Moo
About the truck! Agree, and I've stated same concerns here to no avail. You know decals can be purchased, I know you know this. Anyway, I've never been sold on the truck being a Frontier, but supposedly it is. I hope we find out! Moo
‘GARAGE SALE’ MURDER MANHUNT: Authorities in Tomball, Texas, are searching for an unidentified gunman caught on a security camera fatally shooting Elizabeth Barraza, 29, while she started setting up a garage sale in her driveway.
Didn't hear if anything was said about the time they would start the garage sale(s), unless I missed it.
Bob: That person comes forward breaks the case its that simple.
Rosemary: Sergio got her a Harry Potter suitcase for Christmas. “Liz talked to everybody about the trip. She didn’t post anything on Facebook or any social media though. She was excited for the trip.”
Planned to leave on Sunday, January 27th.
Grace: When did she decide to have the garage sale?
Rosemary: She talked about about it probably for a good month where she was starting to get things together… and am not exactly sure but we probably heard about it the week before she was like okay I’m going to be having it.
The garage sales were not unusual we would have them on Friday and Saturday, nothing new. We were going to go on Friday. She asked if we had anything and we really didn’t and I've (Rosemary) in the past gone to the garage sales but come late, not a morning person. I usually get her coffee and come around 10:00 am. The night before Bob was unemployed at the time and talked with her to explain that Bob needed that time to look for a job.
Bob: On day of garage sale, Liz set the alarm in the house, leave the door from the garage into the house unlocked. I can only say this was in case she needed a quick retreat, but she knew she could get to the door, pop it open and the alarm would instantly have that safety.
Rosemary: This was possibly third garage sale at Cedar Walk home.
Grace: Lets clear up about the garage sale. Rosemary: Yes, she wanted to earn some extra money for souvenirs and stuff and it pains me to know end because the garage sale if she had sold everything at that garage sale she might have made a $100. Liz would have sold it really cheap if someone got really excited about an item. Bob: or give it to her. They already paid for the trip/flight. Money saved for souvenirs. They didn’t need the money. Liz thought there might be something needed. Didn’t need to have garage sale.
Partial summary of 01.23.2023 interview with Grace White (KHOU 11) and Liz Barraza's parents:
Rosemary: The truck leaves Goddard school seconds before S left the house. It’s very possible and we don’t know this for a fact S when he left the subdivision he was directly behind the truck but didn’t see didn’t think anything of it. But it’s that close of a time period when they’re actually leaving the subdivision.
Bob: They were waiting to see him leave and got nervous for whatever reason or they decided that he was leaving soon and they were going to get in position. We don’t know but it’s literally S out of the neighborhood probably less than a minute and killer pulls up.
Shooter gets on driveway very quickly but cuts across the grass.
Bob: Audio: from the audio we can tell doorbell camera was picking up
Grace: a lot of people have tried to analyze. What can you. Make out?
Bob: I can make out her say good morning. I’ve listened to and looked at some of the interpretations. One of the interpretations essentially describes the kind of conversation you would have with someone if you were going to a garage sale. The words that they attribute to Liz are things that she would have said.
Things like yep or sure, we’re sure people. Liz would say sure all the time.
Parents think shooter knew of cameras. Don’t know why shooter (58 seconds) drove back by murder.
They exited the neighborhood and according to everything we’ve heard the truck was lost in an area where there was no commercial camera feeds at all. That’s the last we’ve seen of it. Speculation by some people that have spent some time truck went down a dead end cul-de-sac. That had a driveway style curb in cul-de-sac and drove up onto a Greenbelt and exited onto Kuykendahl far down the road from where police were coming in at main entrance to Princeton Pl.
Rosemary: It makes sense to them. Didn’t know how truck left neighborhood previously. This gives an answer possibly.
Rosemary: Liz was shot four times (confirmed with detective) despite what report states or puff of smoke or dust shown on doorbell camera. Bullet hit/ricochets and hits the top of the house.
The alarm company called parents that morning. Parents tried calling Liz no answer. House was not entered for 20 minutes. On the way to Liz’s house S called the parents and said that he could see police tape but didn’t know if it was in front of his house or from his doorbell or the neighbors and that he tried to call Liz and she didn’t answer.
They stayed there until S got there. Rosemary: When I heard that she was life flighted I kind of resigned myself that she was gone. They told us she had been shot. We didn’t want to leave S by himself. He wasn’t there yet. Liz would want them to stay with him. Parents tried to get S family there so they could leave.
Shooter touched nothing and took nothing. Liz did not live a dangerous lifestyle. Parents speculate why she was killed…jealousy, jealous of their relationship, a nice home, going on vacation, living a dream life?
They want their story told correctly and reference their website.
Rosemary: The truck leaves Goddard school seconds before S left the house. It’s very possible and we don’t know this for a fact S when he left the subdivision he was directly behind the truck but didn’t see didn’t think anything of it. But it’s that close of a time period when they’re actually leaving the subdivision.
Bob: They were waiting to see him leave and got nervous for whatever reason or they decided that he was leaving soon and they were going to get in position. We don’t know but it’s literally S out of the neighborhood probably less than a minute and killer pulls up.
Shooter gets on driveway very quickly but cuts across the grass.
Bob: Audio: from the audio we can tell doorbell camera was picking up
Grace: a lot of people have tried to analyze. What can you. Make out?
Bob: I can make out her say good morning. I’ve listened to and looked at some of the interpretations. One of the interpretations essentially describes the kind of conversation you would have with someone if you were going to a garage sale. The words that they attribute to Liz are things that she would have said.
Things like yep or sure, we’re sure people. Liz would say sure all the time.
Parents think shooter knew of cameras. Don’t know why shooter (58 seconds) drove back by murder.
They exited the neighborhood and according to everything we’ve heard the truck was lost in an area where there was no commercial camera feeds at all. That’s the last we’ve seen of it. Speculation by some people that have spent some time truck went down a dead end cul-de-sac. That had a driveway style curb in cul-de-sac and drove up onto a Greenbelt and exited onto Kuykendahl far down the road from where police were coming in at main entrance to Princeton Pl.
Rosemary: It makes sense to them. Didn’t know how truck left neighborhood previously. This gives an answer possibly.
Rosemary: Liz was shot four times (confirmed with detective) despite what report states or puff of smoke or dust shown on doorbell camera. Bullet hit/ricochets and hits the top of the house.
The alarm company called parents that morning. Parents tried calling Liz no answer. House was not entered for 20 minutes. On the way to Liz’s house S called the parents and said that he could see police tape but didn’t know if it was in front of his house or from his doorbell or the neighbors and that he tried to call Liz and she didn’t answer.
They stayed there until S got there. Rosemary: When I heard that she was life flighted I kind of resigned myself that she was gone. They told us she had been shot. We didn’t want to leave S by himself. He wasn’t there yet. Liz would want them to stay with him. Parents tried to get S family there so they could leave.
Shooter touched nothing and took nothing. Liz did not live a dangerous lifestyle. Parents speculate why she was killed…jealousy, jealous of their relationship, a nice home, going on vacation, living a dream life?
They want their story told correctly and reference their website.
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I think about this case a lot, ,more than most murder cases. My heart wants this case solved for Elizabeth who did not deserve this horrible death and for her family. They all deserve justice. I was thinking about the person (sub-human) that committed this horrendous hateful vile act. This person possesses a special kind of evil: Most murderers don't walk right up to someone, look them dead in the eyes and shoot them while looking at them, watching them die. That is a special kind of evil and I think it tells us this person had/has a very deep abiding hatred and /or jealousy toward Elizabeth. Because of that hatred and jealousy, I believe it is a woman. I don't see a man possessing that depth of hatred/jealousy. JMO.
Agreed.
Something I can't shake is in a video Liz’s mom said she doesn’t think "the person that shot Liz is the person that wanted her dead." I'm not sure if she made that comment in the Paula Zahn A Fairy Tale Ruined or what video, but that statement has always stuck with me. Mom's usually know. If the killer wasn't the one that wanted Liz dead (imo) they would have a very close and personal connection to who did want her dead.
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Agree - if they were "making sure she was dead", you'd assume they'd slow down as they drove by.. but they didn't appear to pause at all, so I'm not sure what extra information they would have gleaned by driving by that they didn't already have from standing over her a minute before.
This theory has never felt too convincing to me. I think more likely that they were lost/flustered or changed direction because of listening to activity on police scanner or somesuch.
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