GUILTY TX - Haruka Weiser, 18, found murdered, UT-Austin campus, 3 April 2016 *Arrest*

  • #501
Since they keep reporting that they found her "remains" does that mean he decapitated her or dismembered her? Typically when a body is found whole they refer to it as a body. They refer to it as "remains" if it was skeletal, dismembered, decapitated, disemboweled, etc. maybe that's what he was doing for two hours.
 
  • #502
Former teacher speaks out. http://www.fox7austin.com/news/local-news/121106279-story


Mick Criner, the student just arrested for murdering the UT student, was one of my students until a few days ago. He is extremely mentally ill but he was undiagnosed because he was bouncing around the foster child system. He was abused as a child and abused within the Texas foster care system. I don't know what help is available for Mick but he needs help. I had extensive conversations with him on an almost daily basis and he wrote about his past in some assignments in my class. Everyone is going to want to hang Mick but he is mentally ill and he wasn't being treated.


It would seem that the teacher who now "speaks out", a teacher who had extensive contact with Criner and realized he was "extremely mentally ill," might have spoken out a little earlier, if only to maintain a learning environment for the other students.
 
  • #503
When will this country stop burying its head in the sand concerning mental illness?

Incurable and hard to threat. Even with medications there is no guarantee the good outcome. In fact after these types of crime some people start blaming medications the suspects were taking (which doesn't appear to be possible here, since apparently this one wasn't taking any meds). What do you propose be done?
 
  • #504
Incurable and hard to threat. Even with medications there is no guarantee the good outcome. In fact after these types of crime some people start blaming medications the suspects were taking (which doesn't appear to be possible here, since apparently this one wasn't taking any meds). What do you propose be done?

There need to be long term living institutions where people can be appropriately diagnosed and treated, with medication adjustments under supervision until their illness is under control. Then support to teach them to live independently, and then transition back into the community. All mental health hospitals are for now is crisis stabilization. Someone wants to kill themselves? Ok take them to the hospital. 3-5 days later, you don't want to kills yourself anymore? Ok cool, we need a new body in this bed anyway because your insurance only pays for 3 days and you're cutting into our profit. 3-5 days is nowhere near enough time for the majority of mentally ill people.

I could go on for hours about this, but I'll stop for now...we can't keep using jail as the place for our mentally ill members of society.
 
  • #505
There need to be long term living institutions where people can be appropriately diagnosed and treated, with medication adjustments under supervision until their illness is under control. Then support to teach them to live independently, and then transition back into the community. All mental health hospitals are for now is crisis stabilization. Someone wants to kill themselves? Ok take them to the hospital. 3-5 days later, you don't want to kills yourself anymore? Ok cool, we need a new body in this bed anyway because your insurance only pays for 3 days and you're cutting into our profit. 3-5 days is nowhere near enough time for the majority of mentally ill people.

I could go on for hours about this, but I'll stop for now...we can't keep using jail as the place for our mentally ill members of society.

Part of the problem with that is that it raises the issue of Constitutional rights in that you are effectively imprisoning and force-drugging people who have committed no crime. A number of court cases have addressed this where it's very hard to both force people into treatment and it is even harder to force them to take their medications. Very short-term crisis stabilization is about all you can do without violating someone's rights. About the only way people are forced into this is through the criminal process where they end up in a mental institution as part of being Not Guilty By Reason Of Insanity or they are required to get treatment and take their meds as part of their criminal sentence (like Amir Issa who stabbed his boyfriend and was required to take meds and treatment as part of his felony sentencing).
 
  • #506
I realize that it doesn't matter at this point but I can't help but wonder if she was at all aware of his presence. According to video surveillance he watched her walk by as she was looking down at her cell phone. I am a little over cautious about safety but in this day and age it doesn't hurt to be. Maybe she had seen him before around campus so he didn't raise any red flags or maybe she never even saw him. Maybe she was looking down at her phone to avoid him? Article said it was a pretty busy area day and night but sounds like the route she took was off the beaten path and not well lit. Just guessing from what I have read. No place seems safe these days…such a sad thing that she was the only person traveling that particular trail. I am surprised that she felt comfortable to go that way on her own at night. I have never been to this campus so maybe it is all much closer together than I am imagining.
 
  • #507
Sounds like Grandma, at least, knew this kid was a time bomb. Maybe they had him involuntarily committed in the past even...She did say he was/had been on medication to control his anger. Sounds like people were doing what little is available to do.

Not for nothing, but if he was using Spice/K2 then that alone can induce homicidal/suicidal states. Even in those with no prior mental health issues. Spice is a horror that rivals crack cocain. A lot of the homeless are addicted to it here, as it's easy to obtain, and reportedly, doesn't show up in drug testing. Ive heard the cravings are intense beyond those of crack. I have seen people smoke it. It smells terrible, and the effects are instant and horrifying.

I don't think there was a preventive measure to be had in this case. No amount of looking in the rear view mirror shows us any solution. Such a terrifyingly reality.

What an awful end to a such a bright and talented young life. I wish there was more that could've been done.
 
  • #508
I realize that it doesn't matter at this point but I can't help but wonder if she was at all aware of his presence. According to video surveillance he watched her walk by as she was looking down at her cell phone. I am a little over cautious about safety but in this day and age it doesn't hurt to be. Maybe she had seen him before around campus so he didn't raise any red flags or maybe she never even saw him. Maybe she was looking down at her phone to avoid him? Article said it was a pretty busy area day and night but sounds like the route she took was off the beaten path and not well lit. Just guessing from what I have read. No place seems safe these days…such a sad thing that she was the only person traveling that particular trail. I am surprised that she felt comfortable to go that way on her own at night. I have never been to this campus so maybe it is all much closer together than I am imagining.

Welcome to Ws. eclypse 100, good points about the cell phone!
 
  • #509
I realize that it doesn't matter at this point but I can't help but wonder if she was at all aware of his presence. According to video surveillance he watched her walk by as she was looking down at her cell phone. I am a little over cautious about safety but in this day and age it doesn't hurt to be. Maybe she had seen him before around campus so he didn't raise any red flags or maybe she never even saw him. Maybe she was looking down at her phone to avoid him? Article said it was a pretty busy area day and night but sounds like the route she took was off the beaten path and not well lit. Just guessing from what I have read. No place seems safe these days…such a sad thing that she was the only person traveling that particular trail. I am surprised that she felt comfortable to go that way on her own at night. I have never been to this campus so maybe it is all much closer together than I am imagining.

She grew up in a close knit community where safety was not a daily concern.
Lot of students don't pay attention to safety, even if parents try to drill it into them, many brush it off thinking parents are paranoid. Many kids are naive and trusting at that age.
Also she called or texted someone she was on her way and when she didn't show up, it was not followed up( Not blaming anyone. Just discussing kids naivity) Same thing with Hannah Graham: she texted that she was lost on Friday night and she was not reported missing till Sunday evening. By that time very crucial time elapsed.
I wish all universities have safety class for orientation.
 
  • #510
Incurable and hard to threat. Even with medications there is no guarantee the good outcome. In fact after these types of crime some people start blaming medications the suspects were taking (which doesn't appear to be possible here, since apparently this one wasn't taking any meds). What do you propose be done?

I agree, it's a really difficult problem and there are no real solutions yet... Especially with the diversity of illnesses out there, there will never be a one-size-fits-all solution. But I do think that, because it's so overwhelming, we've chosen to totally ignore it and leave sufferers entirely to their own devices.

I volunteered at a soup kitchen in Seattle for five years in my late teens-early 20's, and almost all the guests were older men. And almost all of them were veterans. I'd say about 1/4 of the veteran guests had been physically disabled and couldn't work, 1/4 had had their livelihood wrecked by the recession, and 1/2 had varying degrees of PTSD that in many cases led to self-medicating and a downward spiral. Most were on a miles-long waitlist for VA benefits. People see our veterans on the street and sneer. That some of them are on drugs causes even less sympathy. In any case, what I'm saying is that disability, both physical and mental, ultimately caused these men who served our country to be all alone, homeless, perpetually ill and destitute. Maybe there was never a "solution" for them, but there is help. A little goes a long way. But counseling is expensive.
 
  • #511
She grew up in a close knit community where safety was not a daily concern.
Lot of students don't pay attention to safety, even if parents try to drill it into them, many brush it off thinking parents are paranoid. Many kids are naive and trusting at that age.
Also she called or texted someone she was on her way and when she didn't show up, it was not followed up( Not blaming anyone. Just discussing kids naivity) Same thing with Hannah Graham: she texted that she was lost on Friday night and she was not reported missing till Sunday evening. By that time very crucial time elapsed.
I wish all universities have safety class for orientation.

On that campus, there haven't been any abductions or murders in many years.
 
  • #512
She grew up in a close knit community where safety was not a daily concern.
Lot of students don't pay attention to safety, even if parents try to drill it into them, many brush it off thinking parents are paranoid. Many kids are naive and trusting at that age.
Also she called or texted someone she was on her way and when she didn't show up, it was not followed up( Not blaming anyone. Just discussing kids naivity) Same thing with Hannah Graham: she texted that she was lost on Friday night and she was not reported missing till Sunday evening. By that time very crucial time elapsed.
I wish all universities have safety class for orientation.

I used to use my phone as a barrier when I lived in a really bad neighborhood full of hard-up guys and sex offenders. It was a MESS over there. Making eye contact can be really bad when a guy is acting stalkerish. They immediately take it as a sign of interest and put the pedal to the medal. I would make sure a guy knew I saw him creeping (so he wouldn't think "easy target"), then get all interested in my phone so he knew I couldn't care less. This weeds out the guys who have even a little bit of standards and won't come after you by whatever means necessary (I.e. the guys who aren't sex offenders).

I'm just saying because Haruka was a beautiful girl on a college campus - an environment full of young men trying to get a date - and she was smart, so she probably already had a ton of tricks up her sleeve to preserve her personal space bubble, so I wouldn't be surprised if she noticed him and used her phone not because she wasn't vigilant, but because it afforded her some security. Also sounds like a normal campus in a fine area, so she probably had zero experience with a guy who would actually try to hurt her.

ETA: Incidentally, what I usually did with the phone was text my husband or post on Facebook about the creeper, just in case. Haruka texting her friend that she would be there soon might have been her laying out expectations in case something went awry.
 
  • #513
I agree, it's a really difficult problem and there are no real solutions yet... Especially with the diversity of illnesses out there, there will never be a one-size-fits-all solution. But I do think that, because it's so overwhelming, we've chosen to totally ignore it and leave sufferers entirely to their own devices.

I volunteered at a soup kitchen in Seattle for five years in my late teens-early 20's, and almost all the guests were older men. And almost all of them were veterans. I'd say about 1/4 of the veteran guests had been physically disabled and couldn't work, 1/4 had had their livelihood wrecked by the recession, and 1/2 had varying degrees of PTSD that in many cases led to self-medicating and a downward spiral. Most were on a miles-long waitlist for VA benefits. People see our veterans on the street and sneer. That some of them are on drugs causes even less sympathy. In any case, what I'm saying is that disability, both physical and mental, ultimately caused these men who served our country to be all alone, homeless, perpetually ill and destitute. Maybe there was never a "solution" for them, but there is help. A little goes a long way. But counseling is expensive.

I worked in a soup kitchen/pantry for awhile and what set the place apart from others is that the recipients were invited to sit down and talk (if they wanted to - it was not required). I've heard that programs where someone actively and intentively LISTEN and pay attention to the person with PTSD do a lot of good. No drugs, just plain ol' listening and attention given. I'm not knocking drugs as a form of treatment, and some mental illnesses require much more treatment and care than just talking, but some help can be provided by noticing others and hearing their stories and voice.

I also will say I had a couple of scary incidents at the kitchen/pantry. There are people on the street that you simply cannot trust what they are going to do, whether it's because they are mentally ill or just live in a world were they truly have to fight others to survive.

Not an easy solution....and lack of solution doesn't excuse violence. But we do need to understand violence in order to prevent it.

JMOpinion
 
  • #514
EXCLUSIVE: Mother of 17-year-old alleged murderer of U of Texas ballerina is a convicted prostitute who makes 🤬🤬🤬🤬 films and took drugs throughout her pregnancy

Vivian Lafrance Criner, 43, was arrested on prostitution charges in Shreveport, La. last September

She has an active warrant out for her arrest

Her homeless youngest son Meechaiel Crinerwho was charged with the murder of Portland dance student Haruka Weiser, 18

Criner, who uses the stage name De Collecter, is currently believed to be in Nevada where she sells X-rated videos for $75 each

Meechaiel's health problems, his uncle told Daily Mail Online, can be traced back to his mother, who was 'on drugs real bad' during her pregnancy


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...te-makes-🤬🤬🤬🤬-films-took-drugs-pregnancy.html
 
  • #515
So is the mother alive or dead? Not that it matters in connection with the crime.

"Criner's sister, 23 and a second-year law student, says they had a tough upbringing. Their mother was a drug addict who committed suicide. A brother was kidnapped and they still don't know what happened to him. Meechaiel never met his father. He was the youngest of the five children."

http://abc13.com/news/exclusive-sister-defends-ut-murder-suspect/1283316/
 
  • #516
Fate sometimes moves like an unstoppable train, doesn't it... many families, if not most, have that one relative that they wish would change, or something could be done about...

But sometimes, nothing can be done to mitigate, what was already set in motion, long before anyone realized the horror to come.

And even once it it becomes apparent, that a problem exists, it is often completely out of the control of both the people who wish to help and the person with the problem.

Really what Solutions are there for Human Nature? We are a destructive lot...

You often see this in public figures and celebrities... Whitney Houston comes to mind... she had access to the very best the world had to offer in Mental Health Resources and Addiction Services, but there was just no stopping that train...

This tragedy seems to have been set in stone long before either of these young people were ever born.

We all want answers to unanswerable questions, why did this happen? How did this happen? How can we make sure it never happens again?

Sometimes there are no answers.
 
  • #517
  • #518
So is the mother alive or dead? Not that it matters in connection with the crime.

"Criner's sister, 23 and a second-year law student, says they had a tough upbringing. Their mother was a drug addict who committed suicide. A brother was kidnapped and they still don't know what happened to him. Meechaiel never met his father. He was the youngest of the five children."

http://abc13.com/news/exclusive-sister-defends-ut-murder-suspect/1283316/


Hmmmm.....It's interesting that the sister is quoted as saying their mother committed suicide, while she certainly appears to be alive and well and able to pedal her wares via her website at the time of and after her son's arrest for murder. IDK what the deal is.
 
  • #519
Hmmmm.....It's interesting that the sister is quoted as saying their mother committed suicide, while she certainly appears to be alive and well and able to pedal her wares via her website at the time of and after her son's arrest for murder. IDK what the deal is.
Maybe it was an attempted suicide?
 
  • #520
Maybe it was an attempted suicide?

I wonder if the kids were told she committed suicide to help them feel like they were less abandoned???? Very bizarre. Especially since the daughter seems to be doing well. Why would she lie?
 

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