Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 Sherry Ann Jarvis

[strivingforgrace]

Hello everyone,

I have spent the last few days reading this thread - this is just one of those cases that sits with you, isn't it?

Something that has been bothering me about this case is the age range...I know they did the testing on her bones to narrow down the age range as much as possible. However, I seem to remember someone earlier in the thread had posting the dental charting for WCJD that was previously available in NamUS. I had thought her chart had shown all her teeth as erupted and present, including her wisdom teeth. This to me would point toward her being at the upper end of the age range. I know when I was 16/17, I had my wisdom teeth removed *before* they had erupted - as did my now-husband and quite a few friends. The fact that (if I am indeed remembering the dental info correctly) WCJD's wisdom teeth had erupted would tend to point toward her being closer to 18, I think ... at least that's my opinion! I am certainly no dental expert, however.

I also have always been mistaken for being a younger person (34 now and *still* people ask for the "adult of the home" when they come to the door, sigh!) so I wonder if this was the case with WCJD.

Anyway, just wanted to put that out there, as it's something that has stuck with me as I have read through the thread.

 

[Springrain]

Hello everyone,

I have spent the last few days reading this thread - this is just one of those cases that sits with you, isn't it?

Something that has been bothering me about this case is the age range...I know they did the testing on her bones to narrow down the age range as much as possible. However, I seem to remember someone earlier in the thread had posting the dental charting for WCJD that was previously available in NamUS. I had thought her chart had shown all her teeth as erupted and present, including her wisdom teeth. This to me would point toward her being at the upper end of the age range. I know when I was 16/17, I had my wisdom teeth removed *before* they had erupted - as did my now-husband and quite a few friends. The fact that (if I am indeed remembering the dental info correctly) WCJD's wisdom teeth had erupted would tend to point toward her being closer to 18, I think ... at least that's my opinion! I am certainly no dental expert, however.

I also have always been mistaken for being a younger person (34 now and *still* people ask for the "adult of the home" when they come to the door, sigh!) so I wonder if this was the case with WCJD.

Anyway, just wanted to put that out there, as it's something that has stuck with me as I have read through the thread.

Hi! This case really is heart wrenching, isn't it?

FWIW, I think she very well could be on the older end of the age range. She had such a sweet and young-looking face that, if she claimed to be 19, few people would believe her.

 

[zelda_s]

Hello everyone,

I have spent the last few days reading this thread - this is just one of those cases that sits with you, isn't it?

Something that has been bothering me about this case is the age range...I know they did the testing on her bones to narrow down the age range as much as possible. However, I seem to remember someone earlier in the thread had posting the dental charting for WCJD that was previously available in NamUS. I had thought her chart had shown all her teeth as erupted and present, including her wisdom teeth. This to me would point toward her being at the upper end of the age range. I know when I was 16/17, I had my wisdom teeth removed *before* they had erupted - as did my now-husband and quite a few friends. The fact that (if I am indeed remembering the dental info correctly) WCJD's wisdom teeth had erupted would tend to point toward her being closer to 18, I think ... at least that's my opinion! I am certainly no dental expert, however.

I also have always been mistaken for being a younger person (34 now and *still* people ask for the "adult of the home" when they come to the door, sigh!) so I wonder if this was the case with WCJD.

Anyway, just wanted to put that out there, as it's something that has stuck with me as I have read through the thread.

FWIW I'm 18 and my wisdom teeth have not erupted.

 

[carbuff]

Hello everyone,

I have spent the last few days reading this thread - this is just one of those cases that sits with you, isn't it?

Something that has been bothering me about this case is the age range...I know they did the testing on her bones to narrow down the age range as much as possible. However, I seem to remember someone earlier in the thread had posting the dental charting for WCJD that was previously available in NamUS. I had thought her chart had shown all her teeth as erupted and present, including her wisdom teeth. This to me would point toward her being at the upper end of the age range. I know when I was 16/17, I had my wisdom teeth removed *before* they had erupted - as did my now-husband and quite a few friends. The fact that (if I am indeed remembering the dental info correctly) WCJD's wisdom teeth had erupted would tend to point toward her being closer to 18, I think ... at least that's my opinion! I am certainly no dental expert, however.

I also have always been mistaken for being a younger person (34 now and *still* people ask for the "adult of the home" when they come to the door, sigh!) so I wonder if this was the case with WCJD.

Anyway, just wanted to put that out there, as it's something that has stuck with me as I have read through the thread.

I kind of lean in that direction as well. The snippy "who cares" answer is the kind of annoyed thing my daughter used to do when she was 25 and still being taken for 15.

 

[cvaldez1975]

lol I am 40 and mine haven't either. I guess I don't have any wisdom

FWIW I'm 18 and my wisdom teeth have not erupted.

 

[carbuff]

lol I am 40 and mine haven't either. I guess I don't have any wisdom

Two of mine erupted when I was 15, but they came in crooked and I had them pulled when I was about 17 or 18. The other two seem to be congenitally absent; they don't show on dental x-rays.

 

[cvaldez1975]

im not sure if mine show in x rays or anything. they never came through and I don't believe they have impacted anything in my mouth.

Two of mine erupted when I was 15, but they came in crooked and I had them pulled when I was about 17 or 18. The other two seem to be congenitally absent; they don't show on dental x-rays.

 

[STANDREID]

FWIW I'm 18 and my wisdom teeth have not erupted.

I'm about to turn 70 and only 3 of my wisdom teeth are in. The other, I can see is still under my gum in the x-ray. Maybe it will come in by the time I'm 100.:silenced:

 

[Springrain]

It seems a lot of people's wisdom teeth erupt at 16/17, which would be on the older end of the age range.

 

[catherine.]

It seems a lot of people's wisdom teeth erupt at 16/17, which would be on the older end of the age range.

My bottom wisdom teeth came in around 15, and my top set became in impacted. I had them removed at 19.

Teeth are not the only factor in aging the deceased. At the end of long bones, like the bones of the legs and arms, there are epiphyseal plates. In younger people it is separated from the long bone by a layer of cartilage and as we age the bone shaft grows and gradually replaces the cartilage. In adults the plate becomes a line. Females begin this process sooner than males and it is usually complete by 17/18 for girls. The base of the skull doesn't begin to fuse until 18. The sacrum and collarbone until your 20's.

 

[carbuff]

And there are plates in your skull that continue to fuse as you age, until by the time you're my age, the skull is nearly smooth.

 

[Springrain]

Of course teeth are not the only way to age them, I was just trying to refer to my experiences with when people I know had their molars erupt.

Anyway, I think all possible matches 12-20 should be checked.

 

[catherine.]

Of course teeth are not the only way to age them, I was just trying to refer to my experiences with when people I know had their molars erupt.

Anyway, I think all possible matches 12-20 should be checked.

I'm sorry if I came off as rude with my comment. It wasn't intended!

I imagine if her wisdom teeth were erupted they used other bones to determine her age.

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[Wonder123]

Here's a potential that I don't think has been posted to this thread. It looks like she was just added to NAMUS last month. Unfortunately there are not many details, no DNA and no dentals.
I do think there are some similarities...

Cecile Moch

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/show/30977

 

[anonymess]

There seems to be a typo on the front page or circumstances page for Cecile. One says 1960, other says 1980. Charlie project says 1980. Her nose and eyes look good but brows seem a bit off and hair seems dyed blonde, but good find nonetheless...

 

[Springrain]

I'm sorry if I came off as rude with my comment. It wasn't intended!

I imagine if her wisdom teeth were erupted they used other bones to determine her age.

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Oh not at all! I was just trying to explain my reasoning...hope I didn't seem overly defensive!

I think I recall that studies of her other bone development led them to 14-18 but that's a pretty standard thing to do on UIDs anyway.

 

[Springrain]

There seems to be a typo on the front page or circumstances page for Cecile. One says 1960, other says 1980. Charlie project says 1980. Her nose and eyes look good but brows seem a bit off and hair seems dyed blonde, but good find nonetheless...

That should be fixed, she was born in 1960, and disappeared in 1980, at 19 going on 20.

Anyway, I think there's a resemblance, FWIW.

 

[Vital Forces]

Has a connection ever been made between the Walker County Jane Doe and the serial killer(s) of the Texas Killing Fields?

 

[Springrain]

Has a connection ever been made between the Walker County Jane Doe and the serial killer(s) of the Texas Killing Fields?

It has been brought up multiple times on Facebook and online, but as far as LE making a connection--I don't think so.

It is also not publicly released whether they have collected DNA from her sandals. If it was collected, and connected to the Texas Killing Fields, I can see their reasoning for keeping mum about having the DNA, so as to not mess up the investigation.

 

[Springrain]

And by making, I mean proving. They very well could have speculated.