• #1,361
Here's a potential that I don't think has been posted to this thread. It looks like she was just added to NAMUS last month. Unfortunately there are not many details, no DNA and no dentals.
I do think there are some similarities...

Cecile Moch

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/show/30977

Moch was last seen in CA on Thursday August 7. Her abandoned car was found in some California mountains so I doubt that this is her. It is an interesting case worthy of further discussion though.
 
  • #1,362
Here's a potential that I don't think has been posted to this thread. It looks like she was just added to NAMUS last month. Unfortunately there are not many details, no DNA and no dentals.
I do think there are some similarities...

Cecile Moch

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/show/30977

Cecile Moch is on the Walker County Sheriff Office's rule-out list.

Lt. Perkins 2010 Ruleouts for WCJD
- Corrine Anita Hagler
- Gina Renee Hall
- Adrea Laderoute
- Cecile Frances Moch
- Jane Louise Puckett
- Jean Marie Stewart
- Emma Lorene Vaughn
 
  • #1,363
Cecile Moch is on the Walker County Sheriff Office's rule-out list.
So would that mean they do have DNA somewhere, or is there some other information that led to her rule-out, or we just don't know?
 
  • #1,364
I want to post this young lady even though there are date/info discrepancies. Her file was not submitted to NAMUS until 2010, and based on the time lapse and other errors I have seen/heard about in these kinds of cases, I don't think it's an impossibility.

Tamera's file reports her missing from Galveston in July of 1982. It also says she has a scar near her left eyebrow. But, if this were a case where she was reported missing years later, then it's possible someone might have the year and the side of the scar wrong. I see a resemblance in chin shape, lips, and potentially nose and eye shapes. Thoughts?

Tamera Ellen McCurry

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8652/0/
 
  • #1,365
  • #1,366
I want to post this young lady even though there are date/info discrepancies. Her file was not submitted to NAMUS until 2010, and based on the time lapse and other errors I have seen/heard about in these kinds of cases, I don't think it's an impossibility.

Tamera's file reports her missing from Galveston in July of 1982. It also says she has a scar near her left eyebrow. But, if this were a case where she was reported missing years later, then it's possible someone might have the year and the side of the scar wrong. I see a resemblance in chin shape, lips, and potentially nose and eye shapes. Thoughts?

Tamera Ellen McCurry

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8652/0/

The scar and nose seem similar to my unprofessional eye.

I think it's probably not her, just because overall face shape looks different to my, again, unprofessional eye.

But she should be submitted, as there is nothing to lose and everything to gain if it is her! :)
 
  • #1,367
IDing resemblances is not my strong suit, but I can't help but hone in on her right eyebrow and the area between her lips and nose (not sure what this is called). They seem very much alike. I'm trying to attach a side by side.

Who would I submit the info to?

WCJD Tamera SBS.jpg
 
  • #1,368
IDing resemblances is not my strong suit, but I can't help but hone in on her right eyebrow and the area between her lips and nose (not sure what this is called). They seem very much alike. I'm trying to attach a side by side.

Who would I submit the info to?

View attachment 85853

Agree about the eyebrow and nose.

You can contact the listed agencies on their Doe pages.
 
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  • #1,370
That's a pretty big date discrepancy, but there doesn't seem to be much information about her including when she left, so I suppose it's possible. I'm not seeing the resemblance--there's some to the sketch, but not to the PM.

Even if her last known appearance was listed wrong, she is too old to be the WCJD.
 
  • #1,371
The Wiki article says that she was strangled with pantyhose. Do they know if the pantyhose were the victim's or possibly the killer's? It would be unusual for a woman to wear both panties and pantyhose under jeans, although if she was homeless, it might have just been more convenient to wear them rather than carry them or maybe it was for warmth. Actually in 1980, a lot of women (and men) didn't wear any underwear, either panties or pantyhose, which might be an indication that she had not been away from home for very long.
 
  • #1,372
Even if her last known appearance was listed wrong, she is too old to be the WCJD.

Probably - assuming any of the info is correct. On some of these I'm beginning to wonder. Just for Tamera there are so many discrepancies. Namus has no birth date and lists her as 22 - 24. The Charley page says her alias is Morris, but Texas says its Norris (it is Norris). The Doe network says there are dentals but Namus says no. Given all that, you can see why I'm not 100% the scar is on Tamera's left eyebrow. Her parents are long dead, so it could be one of these cases where a friend or relative is guessing. Grrrrrrr..... /rant

OK - back to square 1 :deepbreaths:
 
  • #1,373
I wear tights or pantyhose under my jeans all the time with socks on top for warmth. Don't think it's that unusual. Started doing it in college when I walked to class from my apartment near campus, and I know several of my classmates also did this.
 
  • #1,374
I frequently wear tights (pantyhose) under jeans - if I am cold, that is.
Also, I believe the pantyhose did belong to her. They were found inside her to stop the bleeding from her assault. If they belonged to the killer, I doubt they would leave them at the crime scene.
 
  • #1,375
Well like I said, "warmth" could be a possible reason among others. The Wiki article alludes to the possibility that the killer could have been a woman due to the lack of semen so that just made me wonder about the pantyhose. Of course, a guy could have had some pantyhose laying around for whatever reason. I think there's almost no chance that the killer was a woman. I can only think of four cases where a woman, as lead protagonist, attacked a victim's genitals and the only instance I can think of where the victim was also female was in the Sylvia Likens (age 16) murder by Gertrude Baniszewski. Jeannace Freeman, Mary Bell and Lois Jurgens sexually mutilated little boys (3-6 years old) before or after killing them.
 
  • #1,376
Probably - assuming any of the info is correct. On some of these I'm beginning to wonder. Just for Tamera there are so many discrepancies. Namus has no birth date and lists her as 22 - 24. The Charley page says her alias is Morris, but Texas says its Norris (it is Norris). The Doe network says there are dentals but Namus says no. Given all that, you can see why I'm not 100% the scar is on Tamera's left eyebrow. Her parents are long dead, so it could be one of these cases where a friend or relative is guessing. Grrrrrrr..... /rant

OK - back to square 1 :deepbreaths:

It would certainly be worth investigating and straightening out her details. If they're that far off, she could have a match in the database that's being ruled out simply because of mistaken information. We saw that happen with the two girls from Mendocino who were thought to have run away together but had different disappearance dates, and one set of remains was listed as the wrong sex. Even if she's not this Jane Doe, she could be another one.
 
  • #1,377
Well like I said, "warmth" could be a possible reason among others. The Wiki article alludes to the possibility that the killer could have been a woman due to the lack of semen so that just made me wonder about the pantyhose. Of course, a guy could have had some pantyhose laying around for whatever reason. I think there's almost no chance that the killer was a woman. I can only think of four cases where a woman, as lead protagonist, attacked a victim's genitals and the only instance I can think of where the victim was also female was in the Sylvia Likens (age 16) murder by Gertrude Baniszewski. Jeannace Freeman, Mary Bell and Lois Jurgens sexually mutilated little boys (3-6 years old) before or after killing them.

Perhaps she was killed by an impotent male and his female companion. That would explain the pantyhose (although it is common to wear under jeans in winter/fall), the lack of semen, and perhaps the oddly placed bite mark.
 
  • #1,378
I just can't see this as being a primarily female crime. I think it could have been similar in nature to Alyssa Owen from Boonville, MO's death--sexual in nature, strangled, and assaulted by both male and female perpetrators working together.
 
  • #1,379
Probably - assuming any of the info is correct. On some of these I'm beginning to wonder. Just for Tamera there are so many discrepancies. Namus has no birth date and lists her as 22 - 24. The Charley page says her alias is Morris, but Texas says its Norris (it is Norris). The Doe network says there are dentals but NamUs says no. Given all that, you can see why I'm not 100% the scar is on Tamera's left eyebrow. Her parents are long dead, so it could be one of these cases where a friend or relative is guessing. Grrrrrrr..... /rant

OK - back to square 1 :deepbreaths:

NamUs never lists DOB. I don't know why someone listed her age like that when her DOB is known. If you have time, call her team to ask about dentals & DOB. Let them know that NamUs needs fixed. Possible dentals were damaged in storage like Aundria Bowman's. When you find out, send an email to Michael Nance. My opinion is something happened after she left. If she was pregnant, possible she had an abortion that went bad. Could have also drown if swimming; whoever was with her freaked.

I'm not seeing WCJD in the PM photos nor the recon & Tamera would be way too old.

It would certainly be worth investigating and straightening out her details. If they're that far off, she could have a match in the database that's being ruled out simply because of mistaken information. We saw that happen with the two girls from Mendocino who were thought to have run away together but had different disappearance dates, and one set of remains was listed as the wrong sex. Even if she's not this Jane Doe, she could be another one.

With Kerry, her photo looked like the female computer recon as well as shared features with the male recon. I had a feeling her date was wrong. There wasn't much info known about Kerry when we first saw her. Carl went to work looking for class photos so that we could narrow down the date better, just like he did for Tammy Alexander.

131UFCA.jpg
graham_kerry.jpg
111UMCA.jpg
111UMCA1.jpg
 
  • #1,380
Just a thought about the pantyhose. If she was killed by a trucker, they could have been something that was left behind in the cab of his truck by another female. He could have picked up previous hitchhikers or had a "friend" and when they departed they left them behind. It wouldn't be a great loss as pantyhose cost like a dollar a pair.
 

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