TX - Police respond to reports of shooter at Santa Fe High School, 18 May 2018

[Snoopster]

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Why should that matter?

The stats discussed here are measured by similar but nonidentical degrees. Why? Because our government has disallowed standards and doesn’t measure it for us, nor require government agencies to be consistent about what data is collected.

It doesn’t make any legitimate source untrue, and there are many.

Thanks for asking. You raise a good point. I have a sibling who doesn't have children. No shame in that. And, it doesn't change stats.
Having said that, once children are killed, I'm pretty sure that is absolutely devastating for parents. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

My point is/was that stats aren't emotional. They don't feel the pain of loved ones. Of course that doesn't mean that a trend exists. However, it is freakin' amazing (in a negative way) that there have been so many school shootings in the U.S. Please explain that to the parents.

Hugs to all loved ones who have lost a school aged child in a violent situation at school.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

No - When HS students brought guns to school back then the purpose was to use the guns to hunt after school and school shootings didn't happen. Now kids are bringing guns to school with a purpose to shoot and kill....these attacks are planned ahead of time and sometime fully documented in a journal or on SM. What changed?

Access to guns, mainly.

Even “way back when,” it’s not like kids carrying guns on the bus was the rule instead of the exception. Let’s not get this twisted, shall we?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Thanks for asking. You raise a good point. I have a sibling who doesn't have children. No shame in that. And, it doesn't change stats.
Having said that, once children are killed, I'm pretty sure that is absolutely devastating for parents. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

My point is/was that stats aren't emotional. They don't feel the pain of loved ones. Of course that doesn't mean that a trend exists. However, it is freakin' amazing (in a negative way) that there have been so many school shootings in the U.S. Please explain that to the parents.

Hugs to all loved ones who have lost a school aged child in a violent situation at school.

The damage is vast and every number in those gun violence stats represents a human being injured or killed — the number of families and communities impacted is indeed exponentially greater. No argument or confusion there, imo.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

“Stunning: More American kids have been killed in shootings at their schools this year than U.S. military personnel while on duty washingtonpost.com/news/politics/… @pbump #SantaFe #Texas”

Verified account of Poynter founder David Beard

Twitter post link:
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/997563345342431232?s=21

Story link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lier-for-schoolchildren-than-service-members/

 

[Jennifer17]

“Stunning: More American kids have been killed in shootings at their schools this year than U.S. military personnel while on duty washingtonpost.com/news/politics/… @pbump #SantaFe #Texas”

Verified account of Poynter founder David Beard

Twitter post link:
https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/997563345342431232?s=21

Story link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lier-for-schoolchildren-than-service-members/

That is shameful.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Access to guns, mainly.

Even “way back when,” it’s not like kids carrying guns on the bus was the rule instead of the exception. Let’s not get this twisted, shall we?

Respectfully, I'm not twisting anything. Carrying a gun wasn't a rule, but it was extremely common and many kids did it. Gun safes are much better and more secure now then they were and people are more aware of the dangers involved with unsecured guns so, I"m not sure I agree that access to guns is mainly to blame.

 

[Jennifer17]

Respectfully, I'm not twisting anything. Carrying a gun wasn't a rule, but it was extremely common and many kids did it. Gun safes are much better and more secure now then they were and people are more aware of the dangers involved with unsecured guns so, I"m not sure I agree that access to guns is mainly to blame.

The rest of the world who put a stop to it, would disagree with you.

 

[Snoopster]

Respectfully, I'm not twisting anything. Carrying a gun wasn't a rule, but it was extremely common and many kids did it. Gun safes are much better and more secure now then they were and people are more aware of the dangers involved with unsecured guns so, I"m not sure I agree that access to guns is mainly to blame.

You raise a good point. What's changed?
I think that people are scared. They think that everyone around them is the enemy. And, rather than encouraging community and love, people of a narrow group (possibly white and 'supposedly' Christian) are emphasizing the differences and fomenting fear.

ETA: of course this doesn't mean that I believe that everyone is doing this.

 

[Jennifer17]

These people are the problem. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-america-great-again/?utm_term=.a40184abed60

Really? Arming everyone up and walking around waving the flag is going to stop school shooting? I am not sure if he is against or for school shootings.

 

[Tbone144]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...9f5b88-5ade-11e8-8836-a4a123c359ab_story.html

Article with some info on the shooter. I always prefer to pay attention to the victims and survivers as a personal choice during these incidents.

This article has info on an overheard conversation with the shooter and police.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

The rest of the world who put a stop to it, would disagree with you.

Would they? The kids that brought guns to hunt with after school weren't the kids who shot up schools and that's a fact.
Instead of focusing on your stance with guns ask yourself what changed from back then to now?

 

[Snoopster]

Would they? The kids that brought guns to hunt with after school weren't the kids who shot up schools and that's a fact.
Instead of focusing on your stance with guns ask yourself what changed from back then to now?

See my comments above.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Respectfully, I'm not twisting anything. Carrying a gun wasn't a rule, but it was extremely common and many kids did it. Gun safes are much better and more secure now then they were and people are more aware of the dangers involved with unsecured guns so, I"m not sure I agree that access to guns is mainly to blame.

It wasn’t and isn’t extremely common. It may be common for specific students to do so, but no, the majority of kids riding buses to school didn’t and don’t carry firearms with them to school because they hunt. And those few who did or do, didn’t carry them around in the open between classes, or before and after school, or during class, or out on the playground. lol. Seriously.

People own more guns today than they used to, but not necessarily more people own guns.
(Page 4)

And the number of ADULTS who own guns for hunting is down from over 31 percent in 1977 to just over 15 percent today.
(Page 5)

Link (downloadable pdf):
http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS Reports/GSS_Trends in Gun Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf

 

[x_files]

I am starting to ponder if something had happened recently

he was on the football team that is a social skills entitiy

apparently he was on the honor roll --



he picked the art class for a reason I would think

my first gut was relationship but then when I heard about bombs that faded but now I learned none of the bombs had anything meaningful in them

so basically it was a scare tactic

the art class is somewhat haunting imo

did his posts take a sudden dark turn ?

Onset leading to today kinda feels like it was in response to something as opposed to brewing


just wondering

honor toll and sports and mass murder do not seem like the classic recipe????

ANyone know when this school had prom??

on a lighter note i went with two girls and the man who bought me out -- talk irony!

COntinuing with a touch of levity I just noticed that Don Lemon is in england ( I would suppose for the wedding _ I thought i bet he begged for the assignment what gay guy does not love a big ceremony - hey that is just what went through my mind

i crack myself up at times - literally

still chuckling at the thought about Don !!

Don probably was sick to death of reporting school shootings wanted to focus on something happy for once. Can you blame him?

Prom was about two weeks ago. Something triggered this but what? We won't know until we are told.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

You raise a good point. What's changed?
I think that people are scared. They think that everyone around them is the enemy. And, rather than encouraging community and love, people of a narrow group (possibly white and 'supposedly' Christian) are emphasizing the differences and fomenting fear.


ETA: of course this doesn't mean that I believe that everyone is doing this.

I think fear is part of the problem.

 

[Jennifer17]

Would they? The kids that brought guns to hunt with after school weren't the kids who shot up schools and that's a fact.
Instead of focusing on your stance with guns ask yourself what changed from back then to now?

I am pretty sure that the rest of the world, who do not have this problem, did not allow their students to bring guns to school. And why would kids who wanted to 'hunt' bring their guns to school. What happened to going home from school and picking your guns up? I believe that the gun culture started here. I am tough, I have a gun in my truck.

 

[x_files]

I think the five school shooting where students were killed should be enough to get anyone riled up.

Columbine Shooting over 10 years ago was enough to get me riled up. That was one school shooting too many.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Columbine Shooting over 10 years ago was enough to get me riled up. That was one school shooting too many.

Agreed. And it’s been almost 20 since Columbine. All of them are beyond awful. Mind boggling.

 

[Jennifer17]

I think fear is part of the problem.

Fear of what?

 

[Snoopster]

I think fear is part of the problem.

Now we're talking! Thanks Tippy.
I may not agree with your overall stance, but you deserve a chance to speak up. So thank you.