TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #1

[CoolJ]

JAIL DIVISION - Waller County Sheriff's Office

So if you "pose a risk to yourself" you are not allowed to use the phone. Yup that's basically what is says.

 

[KaaBoom]

I have to tell you watching the stop, She is beligerent and non compliant. She is instigating him and he is still not doing anything but trying to help her. He is talking nice to her and was giving her a warning.

After the fact. Telling her that he was going to give her a warning, but now he is going to arrest her, did not help her in anyway. Thats just more antagonisms.

 

[KaaBoom]

Im sorry,. What?? Do you want to go stop people in dark cars at night? Did you not see an officer killed just in the last few days? How many jobs are there where you may not come home at night and people could shoot at you?

Lots of them. Taxi drivers are 2 X more likely to get shot, and not come home at night.

 

[CoolJ]

I want to know why she was unable to call her mother. That part is really hazy.

I hope they didn't prohibit her from calling someone because "she posed a risk to herself" or the officers. But those are the rules so I guess they are allowed.

I am refraining from commenting on the arrest/traffic stop.

 

[CoolJ]

It's almost like that can and bag are a make shift "suicide device".
Nice big thick industrial bag that twists up nicely into a rope. A bar to tie it on. And a big ole trash can to stand on and kick away once noose is snug and ready.
Seems odd for a prison cell doesn't it?

 

[Montjoy]

I am refraining from commenting on the arrest/traffic stop.

JMO, but that's a shame.

 

[bluesneakers]

I want to know why she was unable to call her mother. That part is really hazy.

I hope they didn't prohibit her from calling someone because "she posed a risk to herself" or the officers. But those are the rules so I guess they are allowed.

I am refraining from commenting on the arrest/traffic stop.

Why don't they let you make a call based on that?

eta: Oops, saw the post I missed.

 

[KaaBoom]

No.. he was getting ready to hand her the ticket and he asked her to put her cigarette out because its a flipping weapon.. Or potential one. Every cop will ask you to put out your cigarette. That is all he asked and she blew up and started acting like a brat. She brought the arrest on. He was not even giving her a ticket. Just a warning.

Regardless, ticket, warning, whatever, all he had to do was have her sign it, and send her on her way. Then he would have been safe from this dangerous woman armed with her cigarette. Instead he chose to escalate it, and for that he is now on desk duty. So apparently his supervisors don't agree with your version.

 

[KaaBoom]

You need to put it out because it can be flicked at the officer or used to burn them. It is like having a little weapon right there. Why would you not want to comply?
Im sorry, I back this cop. He did not attack her. He asked her if anything was wrong, If she was okay. He was nice to her until she lost it and he still did not abuse her. He just tried to arrest her and she resisted.

If that is your idea of being nice.:facepalm:

Frasier, the former sheriff of Texas’s Travis County, added: “If you are in your own vehicle — assuming it’s a tobacco cigarette — and the officer asks you to put it out, I don’t know of any statute that would require you to do it.”

A trooper arrested Sandra Bland after she refused to put out a cigarette. Was it legal?

 

[KaaBoom]

Even his own department says he violated policy.

You have to love police apologists who defend a cop, even when the cop's own supervisors will not.

 

[bwt42]

Trash bags don't kill, people do.

 

[bwt42]

If that is your idea of being nice.:facepalm:



A trooper arrested Sandra Bland after she refused to put out a cigarette. Was it legal?

I doubt if there is a statute that says you can't have your hand in your pocket, but if le asks you to show your hands, you would be wise to do it. Just because there is no statute, doesn't mean le can't ask you to do something.

 

[KaaBoom]

Disagree on her moving out of frame -- even the audio disputes you there.

And as for the 'kicking' incident -- we have only the officer's word on that, and based on his performance during the arrest, I see no reason to believe him without further evidence. And frankly, even if she kicked him, I don't think she should be charged, and I still think he should be fired (and perhaps charged as well), based only on what we do know definitively from the dash-cam.

Exactly. He also told his supervisor that he tried to deescalate the situation, which is not consistent with the video evidence. Why should anybody believe his word, when he tells so many blatant lies?

 

[Montjoy]

Sure, they can ask you to put out a cigarette -- but you can refuse if it is not a lawful order. And as per expert opinion, asking her to put out a cigarette while she was in her own car was not a lawful order.

(I also find it hilarious that anyone would suggest that a cigarette flicked from a car could be considered a weapon. As Bessie posted upthread, someone's hands, car keys, cell phone, etc., could be used far more effectively than a cigarette as a weapon. Last time I checked, LE didn't wear gasoline-soaked paper-taffeta uniforms.)

 

[EllieBee]

SABBM

Had to back and watch the dashcam footage, it appeared that the cop followed her closely as she wandered out of view. But , is there different footage ? Maybe a different angle ?
Not trying to disagree if he did in fact drag her.
:moo:

I rewatched it, and he ordered her "over there, over there NOW!" onto the sidewalk ? Out of the camera view. That is where we hear her begging for him to stop breaking her wrist and smashing her head on the pavement.

So, you are correct, he did not drag her there. He ORDERED her out of camera range and she complied, albeit with protest as is (was, because she is DEAD) her right.

I hope there is other footage to show what he did to her after ordering her to step out of the frame of the dashcam.

This officer is a bad person.

 

[bluesneakers]

Sure, they can ask you to put out a cigarette -- but you can refuse if it is not a lawful order. And as per expert opinion, asking her to put out a cigarette while she was in her own car was not a lawful order.

(I also find it hilarious that anyone would suggest that a cigarette flicked from a car could be considered a weapon. As Bessie posted upthread, someone's hands, car keys, cell phone, etc., could be used far more effectively than a cigarette as a weapon. Last time I checked, LE didn't wear gasoline-soaked paper-taffeta uniforms.)

I wonder if we can find out how many police officers have been burned by cigarettes while on the job?

 

[KaaBoom]

So if you "pose a risk to yourself" you are not allowed to use the phone. Yup that's basically what is says.

Thats what it says. When you read that is easy to see how this happened.

 

[Montjoy]

I wonder if we can find out how many police officers have been burned by cigarettes while on the job?

And flicked cigarettes specifically. I would imagine you could have a flicked cigarette bounce off you with no damage whatsoever.

 

[bwt42]

I think there are posters on this thread that give the police the benefit of the doubt until evidence changes their mind & there are those that attack the police on every thread they post on.

 

[EllieBee]

Sure, they can ask you to put out a cigarette -- but you can refuse if it is not a lawful order. And as per expert opinion, asking her to put out a cigarette while she was in her own car was not a lawful order.

(I also find it hilarious that anyone would suggest that a cigarette flicked from a car could be considered a weapon. As Bessie posted upthread, someone's hands, car keys, cell phone, etc., could be used far more effectively than a cigarette as a weapon. Last time I checked, LE didn't wear gasoline-soaked paper-taffeta uniforms.)

I hope I don't offend any smokers, but I detest cigarette smoking (and what I think has no bearing on a person's RIGHT to smoke) But it reeks. The nasty residue gets on EVERYTHING even if smokers tell you they "air it out". If I walk by people smoking outside, my clothes are coated with stale ciggy smell. It sucks.

That said, smoking is legal and this woman was adhering to her rights as is a person carrying around a gun, which I abhor as much as cigarette smoking.

See, you don't have to "like" a practice to respect its constitutionally protected right to exist.

Smoking in one's own vehicle is not illegal in TX and she did NOT refuse to extinguish, she only stated that she was within her legal rights to smoke in her vehicle.