TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, murdered in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #36

[SP84]

You may be surprised now that you are conscious of those traits. Lots of us found we saw people everywhere with those same characteristics, when it was first mentioned way back when.

As to the alibi, as far as we know it is solid. MOO

This. I can totally see the similarities that people point out, and I get it: the temptation to say "it must be him." However, there's a reason why categories like "body types" can exist. It's because groups of people can share physical traits and characteristics. It's going to take more than physical resemblance to make someone guilty.

 

[Mistree]

I don't believe this was a hit. Nor do I believe that anyone in the search warrants had anything to do with Missy's murder - I don't believe a single one of them wanted her dead. This person acted on their own volition to murder Missy. There is the possibility that SP did not act alone and in that case SP's spouse would have been involved. The motive is strongly religious/morality in nature. It had nothing to do with BB or anyone else. It was all about Missy and who she had become.

Are you meaning like she had become an embarrassment to some or someone?

 

[Jethro4WS]

A golf cart? Does it belong to the church? Sorry I missed any discussion regarding a golf cart.



So you are saying the motive was SP was offended by MB's relationships and they felt she needed to be taken out because she lacked morals? Just want to make sure I'm following your thought process. I find your posts quite enlightening!

The church has a golf cart that they use and they park it under the covered area at the Northwest entry area - directly opposite of where Missy entered the church and it is the area seen at the far end in the part of the long video of SP in the main hall.

Not offended by lack of morals in and of itself. There is a religious aspect to this. More so, the place of the husband in the family and the place of the wife and how that should be. Old testament stuff. That kind of thing. Infidelity would be one thing. Immodesty another. Disrespect for the husband another. Disrespect for a marriage - put together by God, yet another.

My thinking is that if SP acted alone then it would be more than likely that considering that SP's spouse would be good friends and would remain friends then Missy would be a problem. First, is that SP would not want their spouse influenced by Missy. Second, they wouldn't want others that might be in the know about Missy to look askance at their spouse ("Birds of a feather flock together" whether true or not). And that would mean if the friendship wouldn't end Missy would have to go. If both are involved it is the same religious/morality situation but then it could be more about "protecting" the children.

In my mind there must be that direct connection, close friendship, between MB/BB and SP and/or SP's spouse otherwise SP would not be moved to murder.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Are you meaning like she had become an embarrassment to some or someone?

No, it wouldn't be embarrassment. This would be an affront to their religious sensibilities. The role of the husband in the family and the wife that should exalt and praise and devote to him - old testament stuff.

 

[Razz]

The church has a golf cart that they use and they park it under the covered area at the Northwest entry area - directly opposite of where Missy entered the church and it is the area seen at the far end in the part of the long video of SP in the main hall.

Not offended by lack of morals in and of itself. There is a religious aspect to this. More so, the place of the husband in the family and the place of the wife and how that should be. Old testament stuff. That kind of thing. Infidelity would be one thing. Immodesty another. Disrespect for the husband another. Disrespect for a marriage - put together by God, yet another.

My thinking is that if SP acted alone then it would be more than likely that considering that SP's spouse would be good friends and would remain friends then Missy would be a problem. First, is that SP would not want their spouse influenced by Missy. Second, they wouldn't want others that might be in the know about Missy to look askance at their spouse ("Birds of a feather flock together" whether true or not). And that would mean if the friendship wouldn't end Missy would have to go. If both are involved it is the same religious/morality situation but then it could be more about "protecting" the children.

In my mind there must be that direct connection, close friendship, between MB/BB and SP and/or SP's spouse otherwise SP would not be moved to murder.

If this is "old testament" stuff, why wouldn't SP just tell the wife to submit and obey. And being a faithful wife, she would submit and obey to her husband's wishes. And I'm not sure that murder is a practical way to get this "bad influence" out of the way, for his wife or their children. He'll be needing his SP outfit for the rest of his life because I doubt this will be the last woman he disapproves of, or they disapprove of.

Also, MB' s friends would certainly be aware of a man or woman that strikes them as odd, or know that the husband is dangerously controlling.

I don't know, Jethro. This scenario seems "way out there".

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[TexasEx]

Interesting theory. Are you local and is this common thought around there? It's possible, but also seems that other people would have stronger motives.

Slightly OT, but please allow me to make a friendly objection to the Old Testament reference. As a person whose religion is based on the "Old Testament," I think the Book often gets a bad rap for things that have little to do with it, committed by people who have little to do with it.

 

[TexasEx]

No, it wouldn't be embarrassment. This would be an affront to their religious sensibilities. The role of the husband in the family and the wife that should exalt and praise and devote to him - old testament stuff.

This is not in the Old Testament.

 

[Cannonball3804]

This is not in the Old Testament.

The creation story is that Adam derived from God and Eve derived from Adam (she came from Adam's rib, whereas Adam was formed from the dust).

So not to go off topic much, but the concept of a woman's place being submissive to her husband is in both Old and New Testaments. Not trying to defend it, but I'm just speaking to Jethro's point - which is that there ARE people who get offended when a woman doesn't meet their idea of a "Biblical wife". As someone who is in Texas and has been a conservative person of faith, I can say that there are people who would have loved to see someone like MB "taken down a notch" as they might phrase it.

Some women in this category are capable of a great deal of resentment toward another of their gender who hasn't made the same sacrificial choices as they have (in their minds) but is flourishing anyway.

Now you'd be hard-pressed to find someone willing to MURDER over it...


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[arkansasmimi]

Sadly any healing that MB children have been able to manage, when the Suspect is arrested... JMHO it will be salt poured on those wounds x 10. Much different than natural or some accidental death. More so if it is someone known to the family. Such young ages, continued prayers for them and MB Mother.

 

[TexasEx]

I appreciate the explanation, Cannonball. I agree that it would take a lot to murder someone over that, unless there also was a more personal reason, i.e. jealousy, rivalry over a man, or unless someone was just guano crazy, which could very well be the case. (After all, who would've thought someone would try to hire a hitman to kill the mother of their daughter's junior high cheerleading rival?)

As for the OT Old Testament stuff, I see the submissive-wife theology as a conservative New Testament reading of the Torah (Old Testament). It could make sense as a theory in this case, but as an aside, I wanted to clarify that not everyone reads/interprets/understands the Torah that way.

 

[SteveS]

Interesting theory. Are you local and is this common thought around there? It's possible, but also seems that other people would have stronger motives.

Slightly OT, but please allow me to make a friendly objection to the Old Testament reference. As a person whose religion is based on the "Old Testament," I think the Book often gets a bad rap for things that have little to do with it, committed by people who have little to do with it.

"Are you local and is this common thought around there?" ...I am local, and no it is not. It's as bizarre thinking in this geo area as it is to this message board. People here don't think that way (that murdering someone is the right way to address wrong moral behavior), and even more so when you're talking about people of faith,

 

[x_files]

Hi all. Apologies if this has been raised (I'm sure it has) - but I'm new to this and there's SO much here.

The perp's walk/gait, to me, is strikingly similar to Randy Bevers':

[video=youtube;Os-eWR0UvTs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os-eWR0UvTs[/video]

What's the consensus here? Has he been ruled out? Did the DNA testing ever come back with conclusive results? That's the EXACT same walk to my eyes.

I cannot get past the similarities. What's the chance the perp walks, same height as RB. Coincides do happen but damn, it's uncanny.

 

[SteveS]

And saying he/she has a rock solid alibi isn't going to do it unless you were there with the perp or you are the perp or the police have unconditionally cleared them from any participation, or knowledge.

Here's the thing. Including "participation" or "knowledge" isn't part of THAT alibi equation, of matching SP gait with the gait of someone specific. We can only consider whether the person we are thinking of could have been there, in person, and under the costume, and nothing else. Otherwise, the similarity in gait is only a coincidence. You're matching gait for gait, which means your basis for a crime connection is on the idea that this person was there, and nowhere else.

And LE has unconditionally said that the alibi of the one you're speaking of was verified, so he wasn't there. So gotta look elsewhere for SP. Saying "well they might have been involved somehow" but coming to that idea because of gait, when that's not them in the costume, is simply wrong.

 

[x_files]

It’s the exact same to me as well. I was hooked on it being RB for a long time (and still think he might be perp) but supposedly his alibi has checked out (he was in CA). Also, the blood on the shirt was dog blood. If there is any other DNA evidence, I am not aware of it. LE stated that no family or friends are suspects. But to me that’s different that persons of interest. I think LE hasn’t taken anyone off the table.

Is it possible dog blood covered up human blood DNA? any experts weigh in on this?

 

[Jethro4WS]

If this is "old testament" stuff, why wouldn't SP just tell the wife to submit and obey. And being a faithful wife, she would submit and obey to her husband's wishes. And I'm not sure that murder is a practical way to get this "bad influence" out of the way, for his wife or their children. He'll be needing his SP outfit for the rest of his life because I doubt this will be the last woman he disapproves of, or they disapprove of.

Also, MB' s friends would certainly be aware of a man or woman that strikes them as odd, or know that the husband is dangerously controlling.

I don't know, Jethro. This scenario seems "way out there".

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Well that is just it. It very well could be way out there. It is, however, the motive I have had for this case since I started on it.

 

[x_files]

(in reply to the youtube video on page 62)

I'm so glad you posted this, never noticed the arms before, what a match. A lot of people on here say they've ruled out RB, well that's the dumbest thing you can say about this case. Cause here's the problem with trying to convict anyone else,all the defense team has to do is to show this video and say it's RB, how could a jury watch this video and convict someone else? The small town cops go to California to check on an alibi and botched it up, end this madness and start over with the FBI checking out the alibi, they'll bust it wide open and we can end all this.

No has been officially ruled out IMHO that's why we aren't hearing any updates.

 

[SteveS]

I cannot get past the similarities. What's the chance the perp walks, same height as RB. Coincides do happen but damn, it's uncanny.

LE verified that RB was in Cali at the time of the crime. So there are obviously more than 1 person in the world with that gait and height ...perhaps thousand or tens of thousands in TX alone.

 

[x_files]

Well that is just it. It very well could be way out there. It is, however, the motive I have had for this case since I started on it.

I don't think it's too far out of a concept.
The family may have wanted to get rid of her because she couldn't be controlled was independent having affairs and thought she'd bring shame to the family. A divorce would cause scandal and lose his kids but her death would bring the family sympathy. People have killed for less.

 

[SteveS]

The church has a golf cart that they use and they park it under the covered area at the Northwest entry area - directly opposite of where Missy entered the church and it is the area seen at the far end in the part of the long video of SP in the main hall..

I have seen the golf cart. I understand your theory. But since the golf cart is ALWAYS there, and MPD undoubtedly scoured the scene and compared it to the video, I have to think the MPD would be smart enough to be able to distinguish "the same golf cart that's always there" from something that isn't that golf cart, in the background of a video that they are able to watch 100 times if they wish and go back to the scene or to the church leaders and ask more questions to get all the info they need. If they only saw the video once, and had no way to know of a golf cart, maybe I'd agree with you, but that's not the case.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I have seen the golf cart. I understand your theory. But since the golf cart is ALWAYS there, and MPD undoubtedly scoured the scene and compared it to the video, I have to think the MPD would be smart enough to be able to distinguish "the same golf cart that's always there" from something that isn't that golf cart, in the background of a video that they are able to watch 100 times if they wish and go back to the scene or to the church leaders and ask more questions to get all the info they need. If they only saw the video once, and had no way to know of a golf cart, maybe I'd agree with you, but that's not the case.

Well, it was only mentioned once - in the first press conference. With all the other things they were doing and looking at in the first few hours I don't know how deep a look they had on all the videos and especially since they seemed to be focused on the gait of SP from the videos going into that first press conference. They never spoke about it again.